RTX 3080 vs RX 6800xt vs RX 6900xt?

[Longshot]

Hi!

I am buying a new graphics card, currently using a 970 from 2015,

I have 1000$ to spend on the graphics card, I have already bought the rest of the PC.

 

I had hoped the RTX 3080 TI would come in the next 2 months but it seems it has been indefinitely delayed until NVIDIA can secure more stock.

 

so im currently thinking between the 3080, 6800 xt and the 6900 xt, ill use it mostly for gaming, I only upgrade once every 4 years.

 

i use a 1440p display and honestly, i would have gotten the 3080 closer to release because of NVIDIA's features but the VRAM just doesnt seem like it would be enough.

 

what do you think, im somewhat confused on what i should get

[Downkey]

12 minutes ago, Longshot said:

Hi!

I am buying a new graphics card, currently using a 970 from 2015,

I have 1000$ to spend on the graphics card, I have already bought the rest of the PC.

 

I had hoped the RTX 3080 TI would come in the next 2 months but it seems it has been indefinitely delayed until NVIDIA can secure more stock.

 

so im currently thinking between the 3080, 6800 xt and the 6900 xt, ill use it mostly for gaming, I only upgrade once every 4 years.

 

i use a 1440p display and honestly, i would have gotten the 3080 closer to release because of NVIDIA's features but the VRAM just doesnt seem like it would be enough.

 

what do you think, im somewhat confused on what i should get

The 3080 or the 6800XT would work. The 3080 performs a little better in games, while the 6800XT has more VRAM. Both are good options. I think it comes down too "whatever will come in stock first"

[Longshot]

2 minutes ago, Downkey said:

The 3080 or the 6800XT would work. The 3080 performs a little better in games, while the 6800XT has more VRAM. Both are good options. I think it comes down too "whatever will come in stock first"

honestly, im in a strange situation because i know two smaller stores each has one of them in stock.

 

do you think games will need over 10 gb of vram in the next 4 years?

[Quackers101]

6800 vs 6800xt is not much of a difference?

if not and don't want the RTX features which we don't know when AMD will have, then you have 6800 or 3080.

6800 is better if not the 6800xt is not overpriced.

 

You will likely use more VRAM in the future, but by how much or if you need to upgrade an GPU by then anyways when that happens?

Also depends on the resolution you are going to play at.

[MadPistol]

Do you want Ray Tracing and DLSS? RTX 3080.
Do you want absolute Rasterization performance? RX 6800 XT or 6900 XT

Pick one and enjoy it.

[GamerDude]

1 hour ago, Quackers101 said:

6800 vs 6800xt is not much of a difference?

if not and don't want the RTX features which we don't know when AMD will have, then you have 6800 or 3080.

6800 is better if not the 6800xt is not overpriced.

 

You will likely use more VRAM in the future, but by how much or if you need to upgrade an GPU by then anyways when that happens?

Also depends on the resolution you are going to play at.

Depends on res you game at, I had a Nitro+ RX 6800 for a month or so, it ran all the games I'd thrown at it with ease at 3840x1080, only game I had issue with was Metro Exodus with RT enabled, it'd CTD. I've since replaced it with a Nitro+ RX 6900XT (only because the RX 6800 XT is near impossible to find).

 

With performance comparison among the RX 6800, RX 6800 XT and RX 6900 XT - RX 6800 XT's nearer the RX 6900 XT level I believe - it represents the 'sweet spot' for AMD high end GPU's. price difference between an RX 6800 XT and RX 6800 is relatively small, the RX 6900 XT entails a sizable leap in price for not that much performance gain over the RX 6800 XT. Hence, the preference for the RX 6800 XT. But, if you can find an RX 6800 for a fair bit less than the RX 6800 XT, then by all means, snag it.

 

The RX 6800 is still faster than the RTX 3070 in rasterized games (which is about 99% of games out now) and while I do believe RT is the future, and a nice feature to have, present gen GPU's (yes, even the awesome RTX 3090) can't handle RT games with RT enabled without DLSS. I'm waiting for the next 2-3 iterations of AMD/nVidia GPU's, hopefully, they'd become powerful enough to handle RT games with RT enabled (natively) without needing DLSS.

[Longshot]

3 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

Depends on res you game at, I had a Nitro+ RX 6800 for a month or so, it ran all the games I'd thrown at it with ease at 3840x1080, only game I had issue with was Metro Exodus with RT enabled, it'd CTD. I've since replaced it with a Nitro+ RX 6900XT (only because the RX 6800 XT is near impossible to find).

 

With performance comparison among the RX 6800, RX 6800 XT and RX 6900 XT - RX 6800 XT's nearer the RX 6900 XT level I believe - it represents the 'sweet spot' for AMD high end GPU's. price difference between an RX 6800 XT and RX 6800 is relatively small, the RX 6900 XT entails a sizable leap in price for not that much performance gain over the RX 6800 XT. Hence, the preference for the RX 6800 XT. But, if you can find an RX 6800 for a fair bit less than the RX 6800 XT, then by all means, snag it.

 

The RX 6800 is still faster than the RTX 3070 in rasterized games (which is about 99% of games out now) and while I do believe RT is the future, and a nice feature to have, present gen GPU's (yes, even the awesome RTX 3090) can't handle RT games with RT enabled without DLSS. I'm waiting for the next 2-3 iterations of AMD/nVidia GPU's, hopefully, they'd become powerful enough to handle RT games with RT enabled (natively) without needing DLSS.

 

I think that's the one ill go for (6800 xt), thank you and everyone who replied so much!

[myb54]

2 hours ago, Longshot said:

 

I think that's the one ill go for (6800 xt), thank you and everyone who replied so much!

well the thing is if you plan to do editing and streaming, and you want ray tracing and DLSS then go for nvidia

amd is only for gaming not good at streaming and editing

as for vram 10gb is enough atleast for 4-5 years as this 10gb of vram is better than the 11gb of vram of an 2080ti 

gpu dont just become useless this easily one of my friends is still rocking an gtx 960 4g, and does editing and streaming regularly and the gpu still rocks

personnaly i would recommend nvidia, as it is more versatile than AMD

[GamerDude]

47 minutes ago, myb54 said:

well the thing is if you plan to do editing and streaming, and you want ray tracing and DLSS then go for nvidia

amd is only for gaming not good at streaming and editing

as for vram 10gb is enough atleast for 4-5 years as this 10gb of vram is better than the 11gb of vram of an 2080ti 

gpu dont just become useless this easily one of my friends is still rocking an gtx 960 4g, and does editing and streaming regularly and the gpu still rocks

personnaly i would recommend nvidia, as it is more versatile than AMD

The thing with DLSS, and why I have reservations about it, is it's up to nVidia to do their DLSS optimization on it, IF more and more RT games are released in the future, nVidia may have to pick and choose which gets the DLSS treatment. At 1080P, yes, RT can be done natively now, but at higher res,  that's where DLSS is needed because present hardware, both nVidia and AMD, are not powerful enough to do RT natively at, say, at QHD or 3440x1440, let alone 4K.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd said RT is the future, and a nice feature to have now, but hardware is not powerful enough as of now, so I'd wait for another 2-3 iterations before looking at RT at high res seriously. OP had not mentioned home office or workstation-like work involving the GPU, if that's of concern, then yes, nVidia GPU's are more feature rich or versatile in those aspects.

 

BTW, can you explain the part that I'd underlined? How is 10GB on the RTX 3080 better than 11GB RTX 2080 Ti?

[myb54]

2 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

The thing with DLSS, and why I have reservations about it, is it's up to nVidia to do their DLSS optimization on it, IF more and more RT games are released in the future, nVidia may have to pick and choose which gets the DLSS treatment. At 1080P, yes, RT can be done natively now, but at higher res,  that's where DLSS is needed because present hardware, both nVidia and AMD, are not powerful enough to do RT natively at, say, at QHD or 3440x1440, let alone 4K.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd said RT is the future, and a nice feature to have now, but hardware is not powerful enough as of now, so I'd wait for another 2-3 iterations before looking at RT at high res seriously.

yeah RT at 4k is not possible right now but we do need to get a start plus amd is only for gaming other than that nvidia outperforms amd 

so going with NVIDIA would be future proof if he plans to do something other than gaming and plus nvidia gpus hold more value in the market than amds lets suppose after 5 years when he plans to upgrade his gpu selling his old nvidia one will get him more buckks than an amd one

[GamerDude]

9 minutes ago, myb54 said:

yeah RT at 4k is not possible right now but we do need to get a start plus amd is only for gaming other than that nvidia outperforms amd 

so going with NVIDIA would be future proof if he plans to do something other than gaming and plus nvidia gpus hold more value in the market than amds lets suppose after 5 years when he plans to upgrade his gpu selling his old nvidia one will get him more buckks than an amd one

He's talking about AMD RX 6000 series, hence my response since I'd owned an RX 6800 and now own an RX 6900 XT. One thing to bear in mind is where one buys the card from, in my neck of the woods, both the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080 are virtually impossible to find. In my case, an RTX 3080 cost more than an RX 6800 XT, sometimes by a fair bit. 

 

So, if the OP has the ideal choice between an RTX 3080 or the RX 6800 XT (and ideally, at very similar price point), I'd say it's entirely up to him (bsed on his own personal preference and usage scenario) to pick either as both are great gaming cards. BTW, I'd not be looking at whatever value the cards would be at in 5 years, both would probably be worth not much (best term I can think of).....unless there's another COVID-19 type situation and GPU's are in short supply due to various factors (but, I'd not wish that on anyone, not even my worst enemy).

[myb54]

1 minute ago, GamerDude said:

He's talking about AMD RX 6000 series, hence my response since I'd owned an RX 6800 and now own an RX 6900 XT. One thing to bear in mind is where one buys the card from, in my neck of the woods, both the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080 are virtually impossible to find. In my case, an RTX 3080 cost more than an RX 6800 XT, sometimes by a fair bit. 

 

So, if the OP has the ideal choice between an RTX 3080 or the RX 6800 XT (and ideally, at very similar price point), I'd say it's entirely up to him (bsed on his own personal preference and budget) to pick either as both are great gaming cards. BTW, I'd not be looking at whatever value the cards would be at in 5 years, both would probably be worth not much (best term I can think of).....unless there's another COVID-19 type situation and GPU's are in short supply due to various factors (but, I'd not wish that on anyone, not even my worst enemy).

well i think he should for the gpus to be restocked as at this price point he would get any of those at ridiculous prices 

[Longshot]

5 hours ago, myb54 said:

well i think he should for the gpus to be restocked as at this price point he would get any of those at ridiculous prices 

prices in my country are already ridiculous, the 3090 for example costs around 3.5-4 grand (depending where you buy)

essentially instead of my pc costing 2 grand it has to cost 4 because of prices in my country. im forced to pay essentially nearly double for everything

 

i honestly would have bought from US and imported for far cheaper if i could but no stock due to covid.

 

 

as for the other question, i do plan to use the pc for:

- Gaming

- Game Development

- Video Editing (Though not for the next 3 years likely [university])

- Graphic Design & 2D Animation

- Casual Use

 

i dont 3D model or anything of the like. would AMD be a problem considering my use case?

[myb54]

1 hour ago, Longshot said:

prices in my country are already ridiculous, the 3090 for example costs around 3.5-4 grand (depending where you buy)

essentially instead of my pc costing 2 grand it has to cost 4 because of prices in my country. im forced to pay essentially nearly double for everything

 

i honestly would have bought from US and imported for far cheaper if i could but no stock due to covid.

 

 

as for the other question, i do plan to use the pc for:

- Gaming

- Game Development

- Video Editing (Though not for the next 3 years likely [university])

- Graphic Design & 2D Animation

- Casual Use

 

i dont 3D model or anything of the like. would AMD be a problem considering my use case?

yes amd would be a problem 

amd is only good for gaming

if you can wait then you should 

let them restock as we all know that they sold a huge part of the previous stock to cryptominers 

so when they restock you might be able to get at a good price instead of these ridiculous prices

 

[Longshot]

42 minutes ago, myb54 said:

yes amd would be a problem 

amd is only good for gaming

if you can wait then you should 

let them restock as we all know that they sold a huge part of the previous stock to cryptominers 

so when they restock you might be able to get at a good price instead of these ridiculous prices

 

prices likely wont change, before the 3080 launched the 2080 ti still costed 1700 in my country, we have terrible tariffs

 

considering how i wont be editing for the next 3-4 years, couldnt i buy amd and just sell it and buy nvidia in around 3-4 years?

 

[SFFDesigns]

2 hours ago, Longshot said:

- Gaming

- Game Development

- Video Editing (Though not for the next 3 years likely [university])

- Graphic Design & 2D Animation

- Casual Use

 

Do any of those use CUDA? If so go for the 3080, AMD has pretty bad application support

[Longshot]

2 minutes ago, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Do any of those use CUDA? If so go for the 3080, AMD has pretty bad application support

from what i see, it seems they dont.

 

its mostly the Adobe Softwares

[SFFDesigns]

15 minutes ago, Longshot said:

from what i see, it seems they dont.

Okay. Make sure your software doesn't use CUDA, if you can confirm they don't go for either one

[Mister Woof]

I did the math recently, using the same trim card shipped and sold by newegg (not marked up):

 

Claimed MSRP for reference design:

3060 ti $399

3070 $499

6800 $549

6800XT $649

3080 $699

6900XT $999

3090 $1499

 

Actual, post tariff MSRP:

ASUS TUF 3060 ti: $539

ASUS TUF 3070: $659

ASUS TUF 6800 $825
ASUS TUF 3080 $854
ASUS TUF 6800 XT $989

ASUS TUF 6900XT $1826
ASUS TUF 3090 $1834

 

Absolute price over reference MSRP and percentage over reference MSRP

3060 ti --> $140 (~35% higher)

3070 --> $160 (~32% higher)

3080 --> $155 (~22% higher)
6800 --> $276 (~50% higher)
6800XT --> $340 (~53% higher)

6900 --> $827 (~83% higher)

 

AMD cards have more than twice as much "premium" markup over Nvidia cards. 

The point? Take any comparison between cards with a grain of salt. The 3070 is often compared to the 6800, and the 3080 is often compared to the 6800XT. But if you consider pricing, the 3080 is more comparable to the 6800, not the XT variant.

 

Basically, AMD lied about pricing completely.

[Quackers101]

Would say it's hard to compare Nvidia cards with AMD cards in certain aspects, from the features or just raw 1080p FPS.

Without the thought for DLSS, RT, etc. the 6800 AMD cards could be a nice option if they got the future updates and features, it would be more future proof.

If we get to know that AMD is not going to give them those features, it might be a bit overpriced for some titles.

[Longshot]

3 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

I did the math recently, using the same trim card shipped and sold by newegg (not marked up):

 

Claimed MSRP for reference design:

3060 ti $399

3070 $499

6800 $549

6800XT $649

3080 $699

6900XT $999

3090 $1499

 

Actual, post tariff MSRP:

ASUS TUF 3060 ti: $539

ASUS TUF 3070: $659

ASUS TUF 6800 $825
ASUS TUF 3080 $854
ASUS TUF 6800 XT $989

ASUS TUF 6900XT $1826
ASUS TUF 3090 $1834

 

Absolute price over reference MSRP and percentage over reference MSRP

3060 ti --> $140 (~35% higher)

3070 --> $160 (~32% higher)

3080 --> $155 (~22% higher)
6800 --> $276 (~50% higher)
6800XT --> $340 (~53% higher)

6900 --> $827 (~83% higher)

 

AMD cards have more than twice as much "premium" markup over Nvidia cards. 

The point? Take any comparison between cards with a grain of salt. The 3070 is often compared to the 6800, and the 3080 is often compared to the 6800XT. But if you consider pricing, the 3080 is more comparable to the 6800, not the XT variant.

 

Basically, AMD lied about pricing completely.

basically these companies reffer to the MSRP this year as in, the price you can buy from their official website and not including shipping and tax

[Mister Woof]

42 minutes ago, Longshot said:

basically these companies reffer to the MSRP this year as in, the price you can buy from their official website and not including shipping and tax

Except for the most part, Nvidia has not deviated from their stated MSRPs nearly as bad as AMD has.

 

You can actually get FE cards for MSRP, and a lot have. AMD Reference? not really.

[Longshot]

i know these two 6800 xt are supposed to be the best

 

i wanted to know how similar they are in performance to the 6900 xt?

 

 

which should i get, one of the 6800 xt should be in stock as well as a reference 6900 xt in a store near me

 

 

 

[Longshot]

im looking into both right now and i dont really know what their performence is like compared to each other

 

Which Would you recommend?

[colonel_mortis]

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