More US-China Tradewar Company Restrictions Including Xiaomi

[CarlBar]

Summary

Another round of companies have had restrictions placed on them including for the techies amongst us mobile phone manufacturer Xiaomi

 

Quotes

Quote

 His latest round of restrictions announced on Thursday affect, among others, China's oil giant CNOOC and Xiaomi, which in November surpassed Apple to become the world's third-biggest smartphone manufacturer.

 

My thoughts

Well That Escalated Quickly :p. No to be more serious i don't have a clue what to make of this because with the way the US is at the minute there's no way to tell if these will even stick around very long. So in the short term i don't know what to make of it besides silly meming. Long term if it does stick and they can't get the necessary permits it's going to flatten another major player in the smartphone market. That can't be good for competition. As for the rst of the companies. Well the BBC only lists the two in the quote but i imagine non-tech fields are going to notice this too if it sticks.

 

If anyone has some additional reputable sources and a fuller list of affected companies and what they do, feel free to post and i'll add it to this once i notice said post.

 

Sources

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55671629

[Levent]

I am not sure if Xiaomi had a big enough market in US to be significantly impacted. Their main market is developing countries and Europe.

[Elvara]

Well if Xiaomi can't use android anymore that is going to be annoying, the last video from Linus unboxing the Xiaomi 11 looked good.

[NeuesTestament]

It's good to be Samsung at the moment.

[Taf the Ghost]

I've updated my assumption: I think Chinese Intelligence must have somehow gotten lewds of half of DC. It's about the only reason I can work out for the iron-clad agreement in DC about action against Chinese tech.

[CarlBar]

40 minutes ago, Levent said:

I am not sure if Xiaomi had a big enough market in US to be significantly impacted. Their main market is developing countries and Europe.

 

The issue is they won't be able to use android or snapdragon processors. Same situation Hauwei is in.

[dizmo]

It'll be interesting to see how the new leadership goes when it comes to trading. I doubt the military's view on things will have changed.

 

I get why they're banning CNOOC, as well as the aerospace company they added to the list. Xiaomi seems to be more of a US company interests move. AFAIK they don't make any network infrastructure.

 

9 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I've updated my assumption: I think Chinese Intelligence must have somehow gotten lewds of half of DC. It's about the only reason I can work out for the iron-clad agreement in DC about action against Chinese tech.

I don't get your assumption; they'd want the opposite, no?

[porina]

Clicked link in OP and saw the actual news story title "Trump takes final swipes at China's big companies". Hard to say more without degrading into politics but suffice to say I hope the world can move forward soon.

[Levent]

35 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

The issue is they won't be able to use android or snapdragon processors. Same situation Hauwei is in.

Not the same thing.

Quote

To be clear, this is not the same list to which Trump added Huawei’s name in 2019. That list is related to firms that have supposed ties to the Chinese government directly and forbids US-based firms from working with them

https://www.androidauthority.com/xiaomi-blacklist-1193186/

 

 

[Video Beagle]

2 hours ago, CarlBar said:

with the way the US is at the minute there's no way to tell if these will even stick around very long

likely come down to what is due to intelegence sources vs what is due to the current administrations personal biases/interests.

[NeuesTestament]

24 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

At this point China might as well do a complete ban on Apple, to show its had enough of this nonsense.

This is a trade war and not just nonsense. This game has been going on for a long time and escalating the last couple of years.

We should not forget that China is already and has always been severely limiting foreign companies in its country.

[NeuesTestament]

8 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Would be nice if the US could do the same.

That's what is starting to happen now.

[yian88]

US needs to fuck off and the rest of the world MUST produce their own tech, a single country cannot hold monopoly over all chip manufacturing, all software/hardware patents and all internet hold hostage.

[Tan3l6]

3 minutes ago, yian88 said:

US needs to fuck off and the rest of the world MUST produce their own tech, a single country cannot hold monopoly over all chip manufacturing, all software/hardware patents and all internet hold hostage.

There are russian CPUs and chinese CPUs - why aren't you promoting them? 

Because they suck?

 

Never mind that I'm talking about desktop CPUs this time.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 hours ago, dizmo said:

It'll be interesting to see how the new leadership goes when it comes to trading. I doubt the military's view on things will have changed.

 

I get why they're banning CNOOC, as well as the aerospace company they added to the list. Xiaomi seems to be more of a US company interests move. AFAIK they don't make any network infrastructure.

 

I don't get your assumption; they'd want the opposite, no?

DC couldn't agree the Sky is Blue, but they all agree on hitting Chinese Tech companies. It's been something I've been mentioning since the Huawei stuff first got started, and it's really hard to impress upon non-Americans that the agreement in DC on the topic is startling. But the other problem is that the "official" reasoning and the "blatantly obvious there is more going on" reasoning are pretty far apart. As a result, no one is really sure what's caused it.

 

The best information I've seen puts the change in approach as a result of analysis of the OPM Hack of 2015. A lot of discussion about Chinese Tech started changing in 2016, so it really didn't matter who won that election. Basically, what we're seeing would be the same set of policies. Of of the Congressmen that have talked about it, the most fervent have been the ones with the highest levels of clearance. China did something extremely damaging but also in a space that's at the highest levels of classification. As a result, we're only left to speculate what actually happened. Why I've updated my guess to having lewds on most of DC. (It's obviously some form of deep infrastructure penetration, probably in military tech more than anything else, but the Lews Hypothesis is just as valid. lol)

[CarlBar]

10 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

DC couldn't agree the Sky is Blue, but they all agree on hitting Chinese Tech companies. It's been something I've been mentioning since the Huawei stuff first got started, and it's really hard to impress upon non-Americans that the agreement in DC on the topic is startling. But the other problem is that the "official" reasoning and the "blatantly obvious there is more going on" reasoning are pretty far apart. As a result, no one is really sure what's caused it.

 

The best information I've seen puts the change in approach as a result of analysis of the OPM Hack of 2015. A lot of discussion about Chinese Tech started changing in 2016, so it really didn't matter who won that election. Basically, what we're seeing would be the same set of policies. Of of the Congressmen that have talked about it, the most fervent have been the ones with the highest levels of clearance. China did something extremely damaging but also in a space that's at the highest levels of classification. As a result, we're only left to speculate what actually happened. Why I've updated my guess to having lewds on most of DC. (It's obviously some form of deep infrastructure penetration, probably in military tech more than anything else, but the Lews Hypothesis is just as valid. lol)

 

I could speculate but we'd be going fairly far off-topic. But nothing i can think of is good.

[Taf the Ghost]

40 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

I could speculate but we'd be going fairly far off-topic. But nothing i can think of is good.

Right. And the China stuff truly is into meme territory. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

16 hours ago, porina said:

Clicked link in OP and saw the actual news story title "Trump takes final swipes at China's big companies". Hard to say more without degrading into politics but suffice to say I hope the world can move forward soon.

5 more days my friend. Then the world can *crossed fingers* hopefully *uncross* move on.

[StDragon]

15 hours ago, huilun02 said:

At this point China might as well do a complete ban on Apple, to show its had enough of this nonsense.

They will probably do that anyways. China could close itself off from the rest of the world and still thrive internally. China doesn't need the world, but the world needs China. This is cultural problem with the West, and no single US president can change that. It all starts with YOU, the consumer. Want cheap, then you empower nations like China. It's really fundamentally that simple.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

13 hours ago, yian88 said:

US needs to fuck off and the rest of the world MUST produce their own tech, a single country cannot hold monopoly over all chip manufacturing, all software/hardware patents and all internet hold hostage.

You do realise that most of the chip manufacturing isn't in the us?

[StDragon]

5 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

You do realise that most of the chip manufacturing isn't in the us?

**China eyeballing Taiwan**

 

Well, that's one way for China to acquire chip fabrication.

[Donut417]

10 minutes ago, StDragon said:

**China eyeballing Taiwan**

 

Well, that's one way for China to acquire chip fabrication.

They can eyeball it all they want. They wont do shit. Invading Taiwan would be like invading South Korea or Japan. The US would step in. Now eyeballing employees at TSMC would be permitted. Which is what China has been doing. 

13 hours ago, yian88 said:

US needs to fuck off and the rest of the world MUST produce their own tech, a single country cannot hold monopoly over all chip manufacturing, all software/hardware patents and all internet hold hostage.

Firstly. We dont produce chips and stuff in the US. Yes, American companies hold the patents on a lot of stuff (Its not like china gave a shit about patents anyway). Thats the worlds fucking problem not ours. No one has to use US designed CPU's, no one has to use Android. Countries are free to develop what ever tech they want. Its not our fault they rely on tech that is developed and patented in the US, thats the worlds problem for not being able to do it themselves. 

 

For the record China has been poaching TSMC employees in attempts to design and build their own CPU's. I believe Russia has also done the same. 

[StDragon]

1 minute ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

**US examining the possibility of towing Taiwan across the pacific**

Mumble mumble...EMP...mumble mumble, building new fabs to meet demand...mumble mumble...chip stock valuation.

 

Rules of Acquisition

#34: War is good for business

#35: Peace is good for business

 

 

[RicenShine]

23 hours ago, CarlBar said:

 

The issue is they won't be able to use android or snapdragon processors. Same situation Hauwei is in.

Android is open source, so they can use android. Just not google services

[D13H4RD]

So uh, at this rate, what about all the other Chinese companies? 

 

Lenovo and BBK especially. 

 

It'll be interesting to see how the incoming new administration goes about it.