Unpopular Opinion to fix GPU shortages

[CameronCalvert]

I get that many people will have strong opinions on this topic and I think this is necessary. Something needs to change. Vote for whether you think this will solve it. As always, let's not get personal.

[tikker]

You should add a "None of the above" to the last question.

 

Disable mining -> no, people are free to do with their hardware what they want. I do see the value in a tickbox of "I'm not a robot" and 1 or 2 per customer on their own site when buying.

Make more cards -> supply chain issues, they can't

Distribute differently -> how exactly?

 

Nothing against you personally, but why are people so focussed on saying this is completely Nvidia's and AMD's fault? Miner's and scalpers aside we are in a pandemic and there are supply chain issues that are out of their hands. I also truly give them the "benefit of the doubt" and I believe they are doing what they can to get production up to speed.

[mahyar]

well disabling mining capabilities specally in nvidia cards is near impossable  

[CameronCalvert]

3 minutes ago, tikker said:

You should add a "None of the above" to the last question.

 

Disable mining -> no, people are free to do with their hardware what they want. I do see the value in a tickbox of "I'm not a robot" and 1 or 2 per customer on their own site when buying.

Make more cards -> supply chain issues, they can't

Distribute differently -> how exactly?

 

Nothing against you personally, but why are people so focussed on saying this is completely Nvidia's and AMD's fault? Miner's and scalpers aside we are in a pandemic and there are supply chain issues that are out of their hands. I also truly give them the "benefit of the doubt" and I believe they are doing what they can to get production up to speed.

Got it added.

[TheGoatGuy]

IMO Nvidia/AMD should work with Ebay, Craigslist, etc. to add a price limit to $X over MSRP. So for example, I couldn’t buy a 3070 and sell it for $700. 

[CameronCalvert]

9 minutes ago, tikker said:

You should add a "None of the above" to the last question.

 

Disable mining -> no, people are free to do with their hardware what they want. I do see the value in a tickbox of "I'm not a robot" and 1 or 2 per customer on their own site when buying.

Make more cards -> supply chain issues, they can't

Distribute differently -> how exactly?

 

Nothing against you personally, but why are people so focussed on saying this is completely Nvidia's and AMD's fault? Miner's and scalpers aside we are in a pandemic and there are supply chain issues that are out of their hands. I also truly give them the "benefit of the doubt" and I believe they are doing what they can to get production up to speed.

I see where you're coming from and I appreciate your thoughts. Honestly I don't have the answers to the questions I posed. I just wonder if there is something outside of the box they're capable of doing, that no one simply has done yet.

[Dedayog]

25 minutes ago, CameronCalvert said:

I get that many people will have strong opinions on this topic and I think this is necessary. Something needs to change. Vote for whether you think this will solve it. As always, let's not get personal.

Yes, something needs to change.

 

The pandemic needs to end.

 

Done.

 

Please, you and everyone else talking about this.... STOP.  The world's production levels for MANY things are upended.

 

Be patient.  Stop upgrading shit you don't really need to.  Go find something else to do.

 

Etc.

 

Edit: If you think Nvidia or AMD care about gamers vs miners and would do anything to stop that... think again.  They make things.  To sell.  To make money.  They're doing what they do, it's not their call what their product is used for.  Ridiculous entitled notion, boggles the mind to even bring it up.

[cm992]

For Distribute or Sell Cards differently:

 

If AMD and Nvidia cared, which they probably dont, I think a good solution would be for AMD and Nvidia to update their websites so that you prepay and go on a waiting list and there is a system in place that prevents people from placing an order on the wait list if the shipping address or credit card they are trying to use already show up once in the list. Then working with partners like Asus/Evga/Gigabyte to do the same on their respective websites as well as places like microcenter and newegg. Then the website could also display to each customer their place in line and estimated shipping date. As well as having "are you human" and capatcha stuff. Also, maybe clear a addresses/credit from the order blacklist for people whos orders shipped so that they could go on the waitlist again with a new order.

[tikker]

4 minutes ago, cm992 said:

For Distribute or Sell Cards differently:

 

If AMD and Nvidia cared, which they probably dont, I think a good solution would be for AMD and Nvidia to update their websites so that you prepay and go on a waiting list and there is a system in place that prevents people from placing an order on the wait list if the shipping address or credit card they are trying to use already show up once in the list. Then working with partners like Asus/Evga/Gigabyte to do the same on their respective websites as well as places like microcenter and newegg. Then the website could also display to each customer their place in line and estimated shipping date. As well as having "are you human" and capatcha stuff. Also, maybe clear a addresses/credit from the order blacklist for people whos orders shipped so that they could go on the waitlist again with a new order.

EVGA is already doing what you propose AFAIK, notifying people in order or purchase when their card is available. I think if AMD and Nvidia stard doing this themselves it might severely disrupt AIB card distribution though or they would need to very carefully assess the relative amount of FE that people want vs 3rd party cards and split stock in a certain ratio.

[xg32]

there's absolutely no incentive for nvidia and amd to go against the miners, they'll just remain silent on the issue.

 

In theory if 1 eth =3080 then most of the cards will go to miners as they can offer to pay more.

 

certain cards aren't worth to mine with, i.e. 3090 and the amd cards provide worse return than the 3070 and 3080. Gamers will have to pay miner prices or wait for it to trickle down.

[Zodiark1593]

4 hours ago, xg32 said:

there's absolutely no incentive for nvidia and amd to go against the miners, they'll just remain silent on the issue.

 

In theory if 1 eth =3080 then most of the cards will go to miners as they can offer to pay more.

 

certain cards aren't worth to mine with, i.e. 3090 and the amd cards provide worse return than the 3070 and 3080. Gamers will have to pay miner prices or wait for it to trickle down.

More than just incentive, it’d be pretty much impossible nowadays, as a) it would be impossible to single out mining , as GPGPU by it’s nature doesn’t allow for it, and b) because game engines rely so heavily on compute even if CUDA/OpenCL were to be stripped out of non Quadro/FirePro cards (which would anger a lot of customers btw), a cryptominer could be made on top of a super basic Vulkan or DX12 engine, with the miner running via Compute Shaders. 
 

The problem is “... Supply and Demand have a big problem,” (+1 for reference). The solutions are; to increase supply, which as AMD found the hard way, carries risk of market saturation, to reduce demand via higher prices, which if scalpers are anything to go by, would necessitate very steep hikes and can alienate people in lower budget segments down the toad, or simply waiting it out. The latter option poses the least risk in regards to potential oversupply, publicity, and keeping some pent up demand once mining dies down. 

[Grabhanem]

Sure, you can disable mining on consumer cards, if you want to have to pay $5000 to edit together your fortnite highlight clips