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10700k... Throttling, but at temps I don't understand.

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1 hour ago, unclewebb said:

I am not sure what this means. Intel CPUs use full turbo boost right up to the point that they start thermal throttling.

 

VR shows voltage regulator related throttling. PL1, PL2, PL3 are the power limits. If your CPU is not running at full speed, it is usally one or the other.

SlashedM is thinking about the type of turbo boost behavior on new Ryzen CPUs and GPUs from AMD and Nvidia, in which you lose frequency just because the silicon got warm even if it's still well within Tjmax.

 

52 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Oh okay, It exceeded the power limit of the CPU. Is that to do with the VRMs or should I increase the power limit? Like should I make any altercations? 

Dont raise the power limit if you dont get any VRM temperature readout. Even if it does, only raise it if it stays below 90C.

Hullo, 
         I recently installed a i7-10700k in my system [with a 120mm aio in push/pull] and have been overclocking & benchmarking it. Currently it sits at 4.98ghz. When I tested it on applications such as prime95 and cinnebench, it would without fail start to automatically downclock the CPU, even while under 100% load to something of the likes of 3.5-3.75 ghz. Thing is, when I opened hwinfo to look at the CPU temps, they usually hovered around 80c, with the highest being 93c on one core (core 3)- 7c away from TjMax. Should the CPU be doing that/is this normal? If so, is there a way to fix it in the bios? Otherwise, if it's not, how could I diagnose/fix what's going on?


Thanks :)



Stats for nerds, if it helps. 

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Running a 10700k [on a asus prime mobo] at 4.98 ghz right now, these are the settings on it: SVID behavior on worst-case AVX Instruction core ratio... offset 0 CPU core ration limit is on sync all cores, ratio limit at 50 SVID support is disabled ring down bin eabled, min/max cache ratio on the cpu are at 45. CPU vccio voltage and system agent volage are both at 1.23 irrc PCH core voltage is at 1, CPU load line calibration is at level 4, CPU current capacity is at 120% Fixed cpu vrm frequency is at 500khz on manual CPU core/cache current limit max is at 255.75, Long duration pacakge power limit is at 225, package power time window is at 56, short duration is same as long. Speedshift and speedstep are off, Dual tau boost is on. All other settings are on asus defaults iirc

 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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CPUs throttle at 90C usually, sometimes mid 80s. Did you make sure to remove the plastic from the thermal paste? Are you sure the AIO is seated correctly? Also is it me or 120mm for a 10700k overclock seems like a bad idea, Im pretty sure even stock it runs warm.

 

 

EDIT: Yeah its expected, get a better cooler, either with a good air cooler or a good bigger AIO.

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Too many of the wrong details. Which mobo chipset? Use hwinfo and see if it reports some limiter is activating. Also I'd consider 120mm AIO to be not a lot of cooling for a CPU like this.

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5 minutes ago, SlashedM said:

CPUs throttle at 90C usually, sometimes mid 80s. Did you make sure to remove the plastic from the thermal paste? Are you sure the AIO is seated correctly? Also is it me or 120mm for a 10700k overclock seems like a bad idea, Im pretty sure even stock it runs warm.

C'mon man. I provided temps. If the plastic cover was still on the aio heat sink, I wouldn't be running it at 80c full load lol

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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8 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Hullo, 
         I recently installed a i7-10700k in my system [with a 120mm aio in push/pull] and have been overclocking & benchmarking it. Currently it sits at 4.98ghz. When I tested it on applications such as prime95 and cinnebench, it would without fail start to automatically downclock the CPU, even while under 100% load to something of the likes of 3.5-3.75 ghz. Thing is, when I opened hwinfo to look at the CPU temps, they usually hovered around 80c, with the highest being 93c on one core (core 3)- 7c away from TjMax. Should the CPU be doing that/is this normal? If so, is there a way to fix it in the bios? Otherwise, if it's not, how could I diagnose/fix what's going on?


Thanks :)



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Running a 10700k [on a asus prime mobo] at 4.98 ghz right now, these are the settings on it: SVID behavior on worst-case AVX Instruction core ratio... offset 0 CPU core ration limit is on sync all cores, ratio limit at 50 SVID support is disabled ring down bin eabled, min/max cache ratio on the cpu are at 45. CPU vccio voltage and system agent volage are both at 1.23 irrc PCH core voltage is at 1, CPU load line calibration is at level 4, CPU current capacity is at 120% Fixed cpu vrm frequency is at 500khz on manual CPU core/cache current limit max is at 255.75, Long duration pacakge power limit is at 225, package power time window is at 56, short duration is same as long. Speedshift and speedstep are off, Dual tau boost is on. All other settings are on asus defaults iirc

 

 

Prime95 or Cinebench is really heavy on the CPU.

A tiny 120mm AIO is not going to be enough for a i7-10700K running OC'ed to ~5.0 GHz.

It doesn't have enough surface area.

You are going to see the Turbo Boost throttle a bit at those ~90*C temperatures.

So just ONE core reaching ~90*C, and the others are in the 80's?

 

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1 minute ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

C'mon man. I provided temps for you. If the plastic cover was still on the aio heat sink, I wouldn't be running it at 80c full load. 

Its throttling, and its because you have too small of an AIO, I already updated my comment, you're most likely going to need a better cooler, a 120mm is insufficient for a 10600k with a OC, and not even great for stock.  

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Just now, porina said:

Too many of the wrong details. Which mobo chipset? Use hwinfo and see if it reports some limiter is activating. Also I'd consider 120mm AIO to be not a lot of cooling for a CPU like this.

 I'm on a asus z490-v. 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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1 minute ago, -rascal- said:

 

Prime95 or Cinebench is really heavy on the CPU.

A tiny 120mm AIO is not going to be enough for a i7-10700K running OC'ed to ~5.0 GHz.

It doesn't have enough surface area.

You are going to see the Turbo Boost throttle a bit at those ~90*C temperatures.

So just ONE core reaching ~90*C, and the others are in the 80's?

 

One core at 90, the rest in the high 70's/low 80's

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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1 minute ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

 I'm on a asus z490-v. 

 

Ohhh.... when you said ASUS PRIME, I assumed ASUS Z490 PRIME-A.

That Z490-V might be a problem...the VRM and cooling on that motherboard is not great....

 

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5 minutes ago, SlashedM said:

Its throttling, and its because you have too small of an AIO, I already updated my comment, you're most likely going to need a better cooler, a 120mm is insufficient for a 10600k with a OC, and not even great for stock.  

Again, I was at ~80c. A 10700k is advertised to start throttling at 95-100c iirc. 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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1 minute ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Again, I was at ~80c. A 10700k is advertised to start throttling at 95-100c iirc. 

I thought CPUs throttle when one CPU core is already above 90? But as the other guy said, motherboard is also a factor in the throttling.

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4 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Ohhh.... when you said ASUS PRIME, I assumed ASUS Z490 PRIME-A.

That Z490-V might be a problem...the VRM and cooling on that motherboard is not great....

 

image.thumb.png.76eae666faf9457c802a838049e19e35.png

I am aware that the power delivery on the board isn't ideal. Any conclusions you can draw from that? Just that the board isn't capable of supporting a 10700k at those clocks? That's fine by me, however does that explain why it's clocks drop so low? 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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Just now, SlashedM said:

I thought CPUs throttle when one CPU core is already above 90? But as the other guy said, motherboard is also a factor in the throttling.

a CPU cooler isn't going to help that much with motherboard VRM temps- and not at all with power delivery, unless it's non-directly-, unless it's like a arctic liquid freezer lol

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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With HWinfo sensor mode you should see rows that mention throttle reasons

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Look for those.

 

14 minutes ago, SlashedM said:

CPUs throttle at 90C usually, sometimes mid 80s

This is wrong. we're talking about Intel CPUs here, they dont run on turbo boost algorithms that scale with temperature to that degree. 

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

This is wrong. we're talking about Intel CPUs here, they dont run on turbo boost algorithms that scale with temperature to that degree. 

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120mm for a 10700K?,a NH-D15 would perform significantly better.

 

I would recommend to listen to these replies:

15 minutes ago, porina said:

Too many of the wrong details. Which mobo chipset? Use hwinfo and see if it reports some limiter is activating. Also I'd consider 120mm AIO to be not a lot of cooling for a CPU like this.

 

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

With HWinfo sensor mode you should see rows that mention throttle reasons

1733726061_2021-01-11165051.png.42c87ffa159148537215c0c9d7089fc1.png

 

Look for those.

 

This is wrong. we're talking about Intel CPUs here, they dont run on turbo boost algorithms that scale with temperature to that degree. 

 

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52 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

i7-10700k

  

47 minutes ago, SlashedM said:

CPUs throttle at 90C usually, sometimes mid 80s.

The Intel specified thermal throttling temperature for this CPU is 100°C. Avoid posting information that is not true. It does not help. 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199335/intel-core-i7-10700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

 

The default 95W power limit for this CPU is not enough to run it at full speed in Prime95. Go into your BIOS and look to see what your turbo power limits are set to. Somewhere around 250W will help avoid power limit throttling. Many Asus boards will set this to the max value which is 4095W. This makes sure that this limit will not interfere with your CPU speed. 

 

Definitely run HWiNFO. It does a good job reporting the various reasons for throttling. It might show VRM throttling if your voltage regulators are getting too hot.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Vishera said:

120mm for a 10700K?,a NH-D15 would perform significantly better.

 

I would recommend to listen to these replies:

 

 

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CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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44 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

they dont run on turbo boost algorithms that scale with temperature to that degree.

I am not sure what this means. Intel CPUs use full turbo boost right up to the point that they start thermal throttling.

 

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VR shows voltage regulator related throttling. PL1, PL2, PL3 are the power limits. If your CPU is not running at full speed, it is usally one or the other.

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20 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

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best guess, bios is capping you at 90C or 95w, maybe both, a different cooler would solve the temp issue, but not the power limit, you'll have to mess with bios.

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1 minute ago, xg32 said:

best guess, bios is capping you at 90C or 95w, maybe both, a different cooler would solve the temp issue, but not the power limit, you'll have to mess with bios.

Was thinking of something along those lines, I'll go check it out along with everybody else's suggestions. Thanks. 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
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CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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4 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Was thinking of something along those lines, I'll go check it out along with everybody else's suggestions. Thanks. 

oh and for any real world load, r20 would be enough of a test to test power draw and temps at 100% loads, p95 uses something like 140-150% real world power draw, so a 65w setting (like 3.7ghz) can draw 95w. For a 10700k, 4.3 would be about 95w, and 4.7 would be about 135w depending on silicon lottery (make sure the vrm can handle it)

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

With HWinfo sensor mode you should see rows that mention throttle reasons

1733726061_2021-01-11165051.png.42c87ffa159148537215c0c9d7089fc1.png

 

Look for those.

 

This is wrong. we're talking about Intel CPUs here, they dont run on turbo boost algorithms that scale with temperature to that degree. 

Oh okay, It exceeded the power limit of the CPU. Is that to do with the VRMs or should I increase the power limit? Like should I make any altercations? 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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2 hours ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Oh okay, It exceeded the power limit of the CPU. Is that to do with the VRMs or should I increase the power limit? Like should I make any altercations? 

 

Power limit is something you can set in the BIOS / motheboard.

The i7-10700K is "125W" rated chip. If your OC is hitting the 125W limit, then it will throttle the CPU to keep it within the set 125W.

Again, there should be a setting in the BIOS to increase that power limit ... you can key in "255" or something.

 

While you have HWinfo open, while running Prime95, check the VRM temperature as well.

Back your comment / question regarding to the the VRM on the motherboard...

There are a couple Z490 boards that are not up to par, for even an overclocked i5-10600K, let alone a i7-10700K.

 

A lot of ASRock's Z490 boards failed (e.g. VRM exceeds 105*C+, VRM and/or CPU thermal throttles) .

The Gigabyte Z490M (or what is the Z490 UD) was another board with throttling VRMs.

 

EDIT: Ahh... I remember Hardware Unboxed (AKA Hammer on Box LOL) did some budget Z490 testing...

 

 

 

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i would manually lower the voltages and test slowly until you find the sweet spot for the CPU...

it's usually best to run 100mhz or 200mhz bellow the max clock your CPU could achieve but use much less voltages...that's what i,ve always done.

For example my cpu COULD do 5.0ghz no problem but we're talking north of 1.32v and it gets quite hot for absolutely no worthy performance gains to speak of.

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