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Boeing charged with fraud over 737 Max, fined more than $2.5 billion

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Misleading federal regulators who were investigating not one but two plane crashes turns out to be a bad idea. On Thursday, the Department of Justice announced that Boeing has been charged with a conspiracy to defraud a government agency that was evaluating the company's 737 Max airplane.

As a result of "misleading statements, half-truths, and omissions communicated by Boeing employees" to the Federal Aviation Authority's Aircraft Evaluation Group, Boeing has agreed to pay more than $2.5 billion as part of a deferred prosecution agreement—that includes a criminal penalty of $243 million, $500 million to compensate the heirs of 346 crash victims, and $1.77 billion in compensation to Boeing's airline customers.
"This case sends a clear message: the Department of Justice will hold manufacturers like Boeing accountable for defrauding regulators—especially in industries where the stakes are this high," said US Attorney Erin Nealy Cox for the Northern District of Texas in a press release.

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It has been a long coming. The entire situation with the 737 Max 8 has been one crazy, messy path. Between oversite, politics, omissions and more that led up to the 2 plane crashes, it is good to see at least something come out of it. Though, I do feel $2.5 Billion just isn't enough. Too many people died due to those in charge being blinded by deadlines, money and just ignoring safety concerns. 

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My bad. 

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13 minutes ago, Pickles - One of the Jar said:

It has been a long coming. The entire situation with the 737 Max 8 has been one crazy, messy path. Between oversite, politics, omissions and more that led up to the 2 plane crashes, it is good to see at least something come out of it. Though, I do feel $2.5 Billion just isn't enough. Too many people died due to those in charge being blinded by deadlines, money and just ignoring safety concerns. 

Agreed, I'm guessing that with this they're going to be hit with suits from the victim's family, or did this already happen?

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1 minute ago, wkdpaul said:

Agreed, I'm guessing that with this they're going to be hit with suits from the victim's family, or did this already happen?

I believe this is still ongoing. 
 

https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-family-payout-may-depend-time-victims-feared-death-lawyer-2019-5

https://www.inc.com/peter-economy/boeing-sued-by-families-of-victims-of-737-max-crashes-billions-of-dollars-are-at-stake-as-a-big-order-is-canceled.html

looks to possibly be on going. I am guessing many will settled out of court. 

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"This case sends a clear message: the Department of Justice will hold manufacturers like Boeing accountable for defrauding regulators—especially in industries where the stakes are this high,"

Yes, and the clear message is kill hundreds of people and it doesn't matter if you do it while running a corporation. 2.5 billion is nothing in the grand scheme of things to Boeing.

 

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1 hour ago, kpluck said:

Yes, and the clear message is kill hundreds of people and it doesn't matter if you do it while running a corporation. 2.5 billion is nothing in the grand scheme of things to Boeing.

 

-kp

You have the huge fines, but those who were involved in the mess have likely lost their jobs. It is just too bad those directly involved didn't have charges brought directly against them. The ones who ultimately made the final decision should be in jail just like the one who helped try and cover it up or push things by the FAA. 

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Reading this much more closely, it is technically only a criminal penalty of about $240 million, and the establishment of a $500 million crash-victim beneficiaries fund to compensate crash victims families. The rest is money Boeing would have spent anyways compensating airlines due to their aircraft being out of service, or having their deliveries suspended.

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This is a reason you don't hire airline corporate retirees to run the FAA. >_>

 

It's also why the FAA/NTSB should be independent, and should never allow a manufacturer to 'self regulate', because bean counters LOVE to get in on that negative feedback loop!

 

Too bad the bean counters aren't the ones that have to pay up when innocent people die, due to their negligence.

 

I am sad to see the 777 getting retired, though. =\ I really enjoyed the few times I got to fly on them.

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Personally i think it's going to be more interesting to look back on this in another couple of decades myself.

 

Compare this to the time period after the initial crash. That focused on the design being flawed with no mention being made of Boeing possibly hiding details from regulators.I suspect a couple of decades from now is going to produce a much more interesting picture of this whole thing.

 

Though this does answer the question i had at the time "Why wasn't the details of the control system change required to be made more obvious both in Boeing documentation and airline training"

 

 

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On 1/8/2021 at 5:01 PM, Pickles - One of the Jar said:

$2.5 Billion just isn't enough.

tbh it should be 2.5b per person who dies or got injured due to their actions, but even that I'm not sure would be enough

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Now if only they held tech companies to a standard like this. Last time I checked Facebook emotionally experimenting on suicidal teenagers wasn't kosher

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