Don’t build a Hackintosh

[NickHeavy]

It’s finally time to send the Mac Pro head-to-head against the Hack Pro, in a benchmark showdown and see which computer comes out on top. Was all the pain and suffering worth it? Will the Hack pro even survive? 

 

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[WhitetailAni]

I will build a Hackintosh.

Because I need a new challenge (after I get me my single-slot AMD GPU)

 

Also, I just noticed the title is not as clickbait as usual.

[NickHeavy]

As long as you stick with mainstream hardware, go for it. lol

[jzjherd]

Does anyone know what cable he was talking about at the start of the video? Displayport + usb to apple pro display/thunderbolt display (lg 5k in my case) is actually a use case that I need. Ideally it would work with windows but who knows if that's the case.

[Computernaut]

The start of this videos reminds me so much of what Nick said during the roast. "At least when Linus makes a 6-part video series the audience already knows it will take over a year to complete and will end with fake excitement" (paraphrased).

[ThatOneGamer999]

I personally would like to see a video about hackintoshing with OpenCore. It's much more stable and feature-rich than clover, and allows you to run any version of macOS on bare metal, even AMD cpus. It's way easier for the average person than a VM or something.

[Vishera]

Hackindows in an IBM x3100 M3 case or a gaming RGB case next.

[jumper775]

This conclusion is completely inaccurate and spreads false information. the only non solvable issues for your build were hardware based. Using opencore you could have installed it and gotten everything working as if it was a mac. every single non hardware problem could have been fixed. you used clover which is largely unsupported and no longer carries the necessary code to have a functioning modern hackintosh. I myself use an opencore hackintosh ON AMD for a daily driver and it works as if it was a mac. using clover was a large oversight and directs you towards an inaccurate result. modern hackintosh is perfectly stable and works fine on opencore. this video is like looking at amd cpus from 10 years ago and recommending in 2021 to go intel for performance. it is incorrect and overall it diminishes hackintosh's reputation unneedingly. this easy to follow guide (https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Install-Guide/) will instruct you to make a better hackintosh than yours on even an amd system. please look into this.

[jumper775]

2 minutes ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

to be fair, they're working with what they know. not everyone has 5 years of OS tinkering behind them

 

to write off their presentation as "false information" is to paint suboptimal methods as malicious. you're just disappointed that the hack pro couldn't get its absolute best shot (considering they had extensive downtime from the project because SMDs were falling off the motherboard), and perhaps that they weren't doing it your way

 

as for the rest of your post, i defer my trust to those who've actually spent the time, but suffice it to say your anger isn't really trying to help anyone

i started out with hackintosh 3 months ago. i already know quite a bit about it. they could have had it done in about 6 hours. opencore is actually easier than clover. they are whether they mean to or not putting false information out there. they said that imessages was ahard thing to get working when it is in fact easy, there is a step by step guide to do it. and they said if you want to use macOS you wont get full access to all features, however that also isnt true. and they said dont build a hackintosh based on outdated information. wether they mean to or not that is incorrect and does spread false information.

[Vishera]

19 minutes ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

to be fair, they're working with what they know. not everyone has 5 years of OS tinkering in a specific environment behind them (before we consider that LTT is relatively pretty generalist when it comes to the breadth of their coverage)

 

to write off their presentation as "false information" is to paint suboptimal methods as malicious. you're just disappointed that the hack pro couldn't get its absolute best shot (considering they had extensive downtime from the project because SMDs were falling off the motherboard), and perhaps that they weren't doing it your way

 

as for the rest of your post, i defer my trust to those who've actually spent the time, but suffice it to say your anger isn't really trying to help anyone

Lack of knowledge doesn't make LTT right,the whole video felt rushed and has strong vibes of "making a video just to put an end to it".

It was below the quality you typically see from LTT.

[FatherMurphy]

Forums, am I right. Lets keep it civil people. It's only been up for an hour or so. How could we improve on the validity of this experiment. They stated themselves that the test is lacking there anyways. They just weren't willing to put the work in to bring it more up to par, and I don't blame them. I used Clover for my own hack recently, and it was fine, but I'm not a pro level user, it was just a fun little project. Any resources we can pull together here that would make this more satisfying for those of us interested?

[jumper775]

1 minute ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

again, they're working with what they have and what they know. this project started a year ago, and most of the sunken cost and effort has been done last year

 

also consider that they're working on differing hardware and (as you're suggesting) a different bootloader. the assumed easier time would depend on the other implementation not being as varied (also in outcome) as older methods

 

will defer to others to comment. you'd think after expending the effort only to realise it's all for nought would discourage them from extending to that niche in the future (that's not yet to say of the future of hackintoshes on OS11)

what do you men by its all for naught? as long as its supported on intel macs then hackintosh will always be possible. there will be new patches for arm to intel/amd when that happens as well.

[jumper775]

2 minutes ago, FatherMurphy said:

Forums, am I right. Lets keep it civil people. It's only been up for an hour or so. How could we improve on the validity of this experiment. They stated themselves that the test is lacking there anyways. They just weren't willing to put the work in to bring it more up to par, and I don't blame them. I used Clover for my own hack recently, and it was fine, but I'm not a pro level user, it was just a fun little project. Any resources we can pull together here that would make this more satisfying for those of us interested?

you should try opencore, it will be a better expirience, and you will be able to use big sur

[Vishera]

1 minute ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

considering the last few seconds of the video, you'd think?

 

they're tired of it, give them a break

If that's what they release,i had rather not have this video at all,just forget about the project and abandon it.

[Vishera]

13 minutes ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

their hackintosh project, not opencore

Apple has Intel Macs to support,they won't suddenly stop support for them.

Sorry,I completely misunderstood your comment.

[misimik]

Linus knows Quin from the Snazzy Labs. They could give a shout out to his tutorial on the matter, as the results were much better. LTTs only advantage here was the sweet case, but we didn't even get a proper B-roll. 

[jumper775]

3 minutes ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

 

to elaborate on the other point: as of now, if the opencore environment doesn't conclusively bench higher than the cheesegrater pro 2, it'd be not too far from their current observation. their goal is to make a like-for-like (as close as possible) competitor to the official mac pro for comparisons, and if there's significant gains just from changing environments i'd think even apple would raise an eyebrow

the opencore environment has support for hardware that is much more powerful than a normal mac. this is what makes it better.

[Vishera]

2 minutes ago, seee the state im in nooow said:

that's another topic, but we'll see within these two years.

I edited my comment before you replied,and acknowledged the misunderstanding.

[bit]

"we didn't have time to run music benchmarks"

 

because you had to meet that 490 day deadline i guess

[mickys]

So i've been watching the channel since it's beginnings and lurking the forums for years but this got me to finally sign up.

 

This video took so long that in the mean time new hardware got released that destroys the whole setup that you guys started with.

 

1. Scores ? 

Even my 5950x Hackintosh ( with crappy 2666 MT ram ) build can score better ( 1650/28000 ) in Cinebench r23 than the Mac Pro. 

While yes, it took us ( me and some other random dude on discord ) a few days to figure out how to actually enable and test out AMD kernel patches on the new 5000 series AMD chips in OpenCore 0.6.4, we did 2 weeks after the official hardware release.

Now I'm in no way recommending anyone to do an AMD Hackintosh because they're extremely flakey in terms of stability, or at least mine is in comparison to my 4 year old 7700k hack and audio software seems to be having an issue running properly.

 

2. Mac Pro Killer ?

Get a threadripper and the proper motherboard the guys at OSX-AMD got to work with all the "thunderbolt" crazy stuff you wanted to show.

 

3. Now back to the video:

 

I hope you do realise that some of your audience is quite technical and most of the time knows more about these things than you.

 

- Tell us "WHAT WENT WRONG" with the damn thunderbolt card!

- Tell us what you tried! Did it work on linux / windows ?

- Who you talked to about these things and so on.

 

Show us your problem solving, that's what's fun to watch. 

 

The whole "Meh stuff blew up and we got tired of it" is part of the Snapchat 5 second attention span of the new generation .

 

Even thou the video took a year to unfold it feels like NO research into the used hardware was put in before the fact.

It feels like it was done by the usual in a hurry kid showing up on discord wanting his stuff to work even thou he never consulted the compatibility charts.

 

See you on the next WAN show.

Edited January 3, 2021 by mickys
spelling mistake

[Radium_Angel]

So for thos eof us who don't care to sift through all the prior videos, how much did each cost? Is there a cost benefit ratio to the homemade one?

[Hunter259]

16 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

So for thos eof us who don't care to sift through all the prior videos, how much did each cost? Is there a cost benefit ratio to the homemade one?

It's that stupid unlocked 28 core from a year or so ago that you can't get anymore. IIRC just the CPU and motherboard alone are over 4k. Add in ram and dual radeon 7's you are probably nearing 6-7k. Another 1k from the water cooling parts, 500 on a PSU, say 1k for custom parts and we are at least 10k.

[Radium_Angel]

1 hour ago, Hunter259 said:

It's that stupid unlocked 28 core from a year or so ago that you can't get anymore. IIRC just the CPU and motherboard alone are over 4k. Add in ram and dual radeon 7's you are probably nearing 6-7k. Another 1k from the water cooling parts, 500 on a PSU, say 1k for custom parts and we are at least 10k.

Ok, so assume another 10k per CPU, is it cheaper or more expensive than buying a real mac pro?

In other words, is there enough money saved to put up with the hassle of faking a mac?

[Shaneee]

If you ever wish to revisit this but on the AMD side feel free to reach out to me. Whether it's a 5000 series or TRX40 I can help you out. My Discord and Website are on my profile or you can contact my with the email on my account.

 

Thanks,

Shaneee ( AMD-OSX.com )

[xnamkcor]

Why is he wearing a hat indoors?