Project Hot Box. 5800x in ITX.

[IkeaGnome]

Here's my first build log. I've built PCs before. I've just always been to anxious and forgotten to take good pictures along the way. I'd like to start off by saying that I didn't expect this build to go as well as it did. I was figuring after a benchmark or two I'd either be massively undervolting the GPU and CPU or putting it all into a Phanteks Enthoo Evolv that I have in the closet. At work, I'm lucky enough to have a desk job and the ability to refresh web pages as they restock. I was able to score everything for MSRP. Including the 5800x and the 6800 xt straight from AMD.

Parts:

There are a few reused parts here. I pulled my Corsair SF600 out of my 9900k/2070 pc that has been my main machine for the last 2 years now. I am reusing my 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHZ at CL16. I had originally intended to upgrade this if needed, but as you'll see it's not as easy as just pulling ram and putting new ram in. It's doing just well for what I do and so it's got it's new home. 

Motherboard: MSI b550I MPG Gaming Edge Wifi. This was literally my only choice. I don't have Ethernet ran into the office yet so I have to have WiFi at least temporarily. I know it's not the only ITX motherboard with WiFi, but I also needed BIOS Flashback of some sort. Switching from Intel and living in Alaska with long shipping on a good month, using AMD's loaner program would have taken a while. This was the only motherboard that could be found that also has optical audio out on the rear IO. Had to have it to keep that Schiit stack going.

Cooler: Nocuta L12S. This is the largest cooler I could find that would fit in this case, and I actually had this one sitting in the closet in case my 9900k build wouldn't accept an AIO. Even this little cooler is stuffed in here.

CPU: Ryzen 7 5800x. While I mostly just play games, I do run a multi monitor set up. It's not uncommon for me to be playing a game like AC Vallhalla, Watchdogs Legion, or other large single player games and streaming in Discord. The 9900k worked really well for me for just that. So I wanted to keep the 8 core 16 thread set up. Knowing what I know about how hot the 5800x is, I probably could have gone to a 5900x and been just fine, but the 5800x fit what I wanted in a CPU, and with the heat issues made me plan that little bit more.

GPU: Radeon 6800XT. "BuT wHy No RaYtRaCiNg?!!!" I have a 2070. I've literally never once turned on Ray Tracing. I have no use for it in it's current state. When I play multiplayer games, it tends to be eSports titles. I want the high FPS. When I play single player games, I just want to turn settings up and enjoy the game in all it's prettiness. Rasterization and VRam just mean more to me. I play at 1440p so that put the 6800 XT as my "happy spot" on paper. So far, it hits that "happy spot"

Monitor: Uperfect 7 inch monitor. In the process of this build, I decided I wanted to build a laptop. Big monitors are going out. I'm a 7inch gamer now. /s I've been eyeing Aida64 for a while. Up until the recent Jayz2cents video, I didn't realize just how easy it was to set up. That what the various cables and adapters are for. Finding a way to set up an Aida64 monitor on this case with as little cabling outside of it as I can. 

Case: On paper, it looked like it might not work. On paper, it also looked like it would work. Knowing how hot the components I went with are, it was going to be tight. The tear downs of this case made it look like I could run some cables in the panels out side of the chassis it's self. Having a separate "compartment" for the GPU should make cooling easier. As for going for the RVZ03 instead of the RVZ03-RGB. I've been in a fight with myself to get rid of RGB. It just causes more headache than pleasure. 

RGB: Welllll, the 6800 XT has the red LEDs built in. I was able to run the USB and HDMI cables for my resource monitor in a way that it completely blocks out that RGB. The case has RGB in the front panel. A portion of the diffuser got cut up to allow cables to pass through it. Looking at the case now, I seem to have "forgotten" to plug the strip behind the diffuser in /s. 

Sponsors:

This is where I'd like to take a moment to thank the sponsors of this build. We have two here.

Work. I'd like to thank payroll for sponsoring the bill for this build. I'd also like to thank IT for turning a blind eye to all the "side projects" I do while payroll is working on counting up how much I get from their sponsorship.

Patience. I'd like to thank the gift of patience. When I didn't get the 6800 XT on launch day, I could have given up. I could have gotten angry. Patience got me the 6800 XT and the 5800x in one drop the morning that the 6900 XT came out and everyone was focused on that.

 

 

[IkeaGnome]

For the case we have RVZ03. Every build needs a good case. What I would call a good case is something that uses it's space as well as it can. Allowing good airflow, obvious and hidden cable management solutions, and not fall apart in your hand. I read a lot of really good things about Silverstone in general and the RVZ03 in particular. I wanted to go with as small of a case as I could while keeping cables some what clean, air flow as high as I could, and not have the case fall apart the first time I looked at it wrong. 

Once I got a hold of it, the RVZ03 fits the bill for this. It's a little bit on the expensive side for a PC case, but really well priced for ITX cases. I knew I was planning on powering this with a Corsair SF600. Silverstone says an ATX psu will fit. I wasn't 100% sure how well the 600 Watts would do for this build. I have a Corsair RM1000 I knew I could make work if needed. Right now, the SF600 is mounted with only 1 screw until my ATX adapter comes in. While Silverstone says an ATX PSU will fit, and with no components in the case it will fit, it's going to be a tight fit. 

The outside panels for the case came apart really easily. The front panel unscrews. The side panel use tension tabs. I was able to pull both of them off. Remove the diffuser from the front panel and notch it for some cables. After some test fitting, I decided to bring the cables out from the top left tab that shoots off the diffuser. The plastic for this case is strong, but just thing enough that I could bend it without breaking it and forcing a HDMI cable through it.

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My only real complaint so far with this case is the length of the front panel connectors. They can practically go from the front of the case, to the back and then plug into themselves on the front. This makes it easy for managing them out of the way when the case isn't fully stuffed, but if you're planning on doing a full build like this, I had better luck managing them by turning them towards the PSU, pulling the bracket out that the GPU mounts to near the PSU and running them under it.

 

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[IkeaGnome]

This was my first experience with AMD. I've always been "Blue and Green." I really enjoy how the AM4 socket works though. I feel like AM4 is much better for someone "newer" or "nervous" about building their first PC. With Intel, you have that, almost obscene amount of force to fully seat the CPU in the socket. Not with AM4. I actually checked a few times to make sure it was actually all the way in the socket. It just felt too loose.

The MSI MPG B550i is a beautiful motherboard. Very little LEDs on it, typical ITX 2 DIMM slots, 1 PCIE slot. Simple and clean looking. This motherboard also has 2 M.2 slots. Combined with the rest of the stuff I wanted out of a motherboard, this was a pleasant feature. On the front I was able to place my 1TB Corsair Force MP510 as a boot/application drive. On the rear I put the older brother. A 2 TB version for games. Noctua didn't use the AMD factory cooling so I wasn't able to try out the black brackets. Once I figured out what way I needed to place my cooler, I attached the brackets and started populating the motherboard. 

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[IkeaGnome]

As I touched on above, I don't use RTX or have a use for it in it's current state. This puts the pure rasterization power of AMD as what I want. While on paper the 6800 XT is a "smaller" GPU for this generation I was still very impressed, and worried about it's size when I unboxed it. I'm really impressed with the overall packaging. The retail box was really well designed with pretty hard foam, but the foam was soft enough that you could poke it and it moved. Giving the GPU a solid hold, but some room to not be worried about a sharp drop. The RVZ03 uses a bracket with a short PCIE extender to connect to your motherboard. When in horizontal mode, the case "hangs" the GPU upside down over 2 120mm fan mounts. I was able to stuff two slim Noctuas into this. With the GPU mounted, there is 2 slim 120s feeding the 3 fans for the GPU. The GPU bracket has some cable management built in if you get creative. The Corsair cables were difficult to run through it since they aren't the sleeved kind, but the one where the cables attach to the side of the next one. I was able to snake the PCIE power cables through the holes in the GPU bracket to keep cables fairly well managed. Even the 6800 XT is super beefy compared to a slim 120mm fan. I did get worried that it would even fit.

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[IkeaGnome]

With the GPU mounted to the bracket it was time to modify the side panels to allow my cables to come out the back and go straight into the motherboard for USB power and the GPU for the HDMI input. Then put everything together and see how stuffed everything ended up. Even the shorter cables that come with the SF600 seem way too long in this case. On my to do list, at some point I'd like to make shorter cables to help with the rats nest behind the PSU. Overall, the computer runs super hot like I figured. In Cyberpunk 2077 with my 9900k and 2070, I averaged 28 FPS. With this set up, I was able to set 60 FPS and not drop under it. When I turn the frame rate lock off, I get up to about 75 or so with the same settings. The temps are from Cyberpunk. It's the new Crysis for sure. 60 FPS and everything is that hot. 

I did grab a template for Aida64 and have been making it fit my needs. The C Drive is where OS and apps are saved. F drive is where games are saved. When I plug a USB thumb drive in, it takes the D or E slot depending on how many are plugged in. This fills in the gap between the C and F free storage. I have been having a hard time getting RTSS to show FPS with Aida64. It worked until I updated some drivers and then was broken. It was working though. Just gotta figure out what broke it. 

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[Blue4130]

8 hours ago, Voluspa said:

With the GPU mounted to the bracket it was time to modify the side panels to allow my cables to come out the back and go straight into the motherboard for USB power and the GPU for the HDMI input. Then put everything together and see how stuffed everything ended up. Even the shorter cables that come with the SF600 seem way too long in this case. On my to do list, at some point I'd like to make shorter cables to help with the rats nest behind the PSU. Overall, the computer runs super hot like I figured. In Cyberpunk 2077 with my 9900k and 2070, I averaged 28 FPS. With this set up, I was able to set 60 FPS and not drop under it. When I turn the frame rate lock off, I get up to about 75 or so with the same settings. The temps are from Cyberpunk. It's the new Crysis for sure. 60 FPS and everything is that hot. 

I did grab a template for Aida64 and have been making it fit my needs. The C Drive is where OS and apps are saved. F drive is where games are saved. When I plug a USB thumb drive in, it takes the D or E slot depending on how many are plugged in. This fills in the gap between the C and F free storage. I have been having a hard time getting RTSS to show FPS with Aida64. It worked until I updated some drivers and then was broken. It was working though. Just gotta figure out what broke it. 

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Did you try to run it withough the two fans under the GPU? I'd be really curious if they are actually doing anything since they are basically touching the GPU and it already has fans on it.

[IkeaGnome]

On 12/24/2020 at 7:31 PM, Blue4130 said:

Did you try to run it withough the two fans under the GPU? I'd be really curious if they are actually doing anything since they are basically touching the GPU and it already has fans on it.

They aren't actually doing much. I didn't figure they were. I didn't remove them, but disabling them raised my idle temps by 2c.

[StuS]

Did the 6800XT fit easily enough? Looking to upgrade my Vega 64 to it which was already a pretty tight fit. 6800XT is shorter but larger in other dimensions. I'm ok with struggling to get it in there as long as it fits.

[IkeaGnome]

11 hours ago, StuS said:

Did the 6800XT fit easily enough? Looking to upgrade my Vega 64 to it which was already a pretty tight fit. 6800XT is shorter but larger in other dimensions. I'm ok with struggling to get it in there as long as it fits.

On the side there's a ton of room in there. Underneath is where it gets tight. There's barely enough room for slim Noctua fans under the GPU. It's tight, but works.

 

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[IkeaGnome]

Thermal testing before case swap. 

All of this testing is done with PBO set at -25 in BIOS. 22 degrees C ambient. I'm using Ryzen Master's Auto Overclocking and not changing any settings. For all three configs, I'll do three passes of Cinnebench R20. I'm going to grab temps for the CPU, GPU, air temp inside the GPU shroud and air temp inside the PSU shroud. I'll also grab a temperature reading on the back bottom right (plug side) of the PSU.

@TVwazhereCan you think of any other readings that might be helpful here?

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[TVwazhere]

11 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

 

@TVwazhereCan you think of any other readings that might be helpful here?

The "sponsors" made me LOL

 

Only things I can think of is the SSD's, since you're not overclocking the CPU and have a downdraft cooler the VRM's should be fine. The front SSD has a small fan, and the back SSD should be okay but it's not a bad idea to monitor just in case. NAND flash chips need to be warm, but the controllers do not. I'm not sure if there are multiple sensors on the SSD's or not though, I think they're typically just for the NAND Flash. 

[IkeaGnome]

8 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Only things I can think of is the SSD's,

So, I've not got a 2.5 in here. I've got 2 m.2s. One is on the back side of the motherboard and I don't have access to it. The other one has a giant heatsink and fan on it. I'll get a temp on the heat sink. I don't remember the fan wires being easily removable and there's not space to just set the heat sink off to the side.

[IkeaGnome]

Well I was hoping to get a lot more done today. Had Honey Do chores to do and a friend needed help with building his computer. 

 

In an interesting turn of events, I couldn't get my computer to over heat with just Cinnebench R20, but I could playing games. It's possible it takes GPU and CPU to do. GPU being part of it would make some sense since the side panel that goes over the GPU has no holes in it for exhaust. 

[IkeaGnome]

Since I could not get R20 to trigger the same symptoms, I'm now using the same settings in Ryzen Master, but also using Cyberpunk 2077 instead of Cinnebench R20. I'll run a set loop around a block that tends to have a lot of traffic. It's about a 2 minute run around it. Grab temps and then try to let the CPU cool down a little between runs. I'll still get temps for the CPU, GPU, air temp inside the GPU shroud and air temp inside the PSU shroud. I'll also grab a temperature reading on the back bottom right (plug side) of the PSU.

Case side panel on:

• CPU Temp: 90, 90, 89
• GPU Temp: 85, 88, 92 
• Air Temp Inside GPU Shroud: 50.3, 57.1, 63.8
• Air Temp Inside PSU Shroud: 54.5, 58.2, 64.1
• PSU Exhaust Temp: 52.8, 52.9, 67.0
• On test 2 of this, I noticed my ram was sitting right around 60C. I'm wondering if it's just everything is getting too hot and causing too much resistance.
• It seemed like once the GPU started heating up, my clock speed on my CPU dropped a little bit, but then PSU started getting hotter and hotter. I have not been able to get it to power cycle in Cyberpunk. The plastic connectors for the PCIE cables on the back side of the PSU are up to 62C.

I'm going to shut the game down and let the computer cool off for a little bit and then I'll do this again with the side panel off. Heat spreader on the CPU side ram stick got up to 67 C. This is with fans as aggressively set as they will go. Ambient temperature is also quite a bit warmer in my computer room. 24.4 compared to 21.5C

[IkeaGnome]

I let the computer sit for a little while. Fans running away and lowering temps. 

Cpu temp is down to 53, which with background tasks running (Steam, Radeon and Ryzen Master running) is about as low as it will get for me. GPU temp is down to 48. The majority of the case is down around 40c. GPU shroud is 37.5, PSU shroud is 43.3, PSU exhaust temp is 44.7. Ram is down to 42.1 and the PCIE power connectors on the PSU are back at 43.5

Case side panel off:

• CPU Temp: 89, 90, 90
• GPU Temp: 79, 82, 84
• Air Temp Inside GPU Shroud: 42.3, 46.3, 52.2
• Air Temp Inside PSU Shroud: 51.5, 53.2, 61.4
• PSU Exhaust Temp: 45.8, 48.9, 53.3

 

[IkeaGnome]

Update time. It's all in the new case. I'll do more testing and an update post after a nap. 

Have to come up with a new name now. Hot Box is no longer the correct name.

[RollinLower]

nice build! the 011D mini is a fantastic case, i'm currently running my system in one aswell. those temps seem off though, but i dunno how that could be. i guess since the case is so watercooling friendly you just have to get some of that going.

[IkeaGnome]

3 hours ago, RollinLower said:

nice build! the 011D mini is a fantastic case, i'm currently running my system in one aswell. those temps seem off though, but i dunno how that could be. i guess since the case is so watercooling friendly you just have to get some of that going.

Those temps are in the old RVZ03b. I finally got it set up in the new case this morning. Idle temp went from low 80s on CPU to 39.

[Logan j]

It’s a nice build you you should’ve gotten with other colors of Natura fans but still a good build

[Noxitb]

On 12/25/2020 at 3:26 AM, IkeaGnome said:

Here's my first build log. I've built PCs before. I've just always been to anxious and forgotten to take good pictures along the way. I'd like to start off by saying that I didn't expect this build to go as well as it did. I was figuring after a benchmark or two I'd either be massively undervolting the GPU and CPU or putting it all into a Phanteks Enthoo Evolv that I have in the closet. At work, I'm lucky enough to have a desk job and the ability to refresh web pages as they restock. I was able to score everything for MSRP. Including the 5800x and the 6800 xt straight from AMD.

Parts:

There are a few reused parts here. I pulled my Corsair SF600 out of my 9900k/2070 pc that has been my main machine for the last 2 years now. I am reusing my 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHZ at CL16. I had originally intended to upgrade this if needed, but as you'll see it's not as easy as just pulling ram and putting new ram in. It's doing just well for what I do and so it's got it's new home. 

Motherboard: MSI b550I MPG Gaming Edge Wifi. This was literally my only choice. I don't have Ethernet ran into the office yet so I have to have WiFi at least temporarily. I know it's not the only ITX motherboard with WiFi, but I also needed BIOS Flashback of some sort. Switching from Intel and living in Alaska with long shipping on a good month, using AMD's loaner program would have taken a while. This was the only motherboard that could be found that also has optical audio out on the rear IO. Had to have it to keep that Schiit stack going.

Cooler: Nocuta L12S. This is the largest cooler I could find that would fit in this case, and I actually had this one sitting in the closet in case my 9900k build wouldn't accept an AIO. Even this little cooler is stuffed in here.

CPU: Ryzen 7 5800x. While I mostly just play games, I do run a multi monitor set up. It's not uncommon for me to be playing a game like AC Vallhalla, Watchdogs Legion, or other large single player games and streaming in Discord. The 9900k worked really well for me for just that. So I wanted to keep the 8 core 16 thread set up. Knowing what I know about how hot the 5800x is, I probably could have gone to a 5900x and been just fine, but the 5800x fit what I wanted in a CPU, and with the heat issues made me plan that little bit more.

GPU: Radeon 6800XT. "BuT wHy No RaYtRaCiNg?!!!" I have a 2070. I've literally never once turned on Ray Tracing. I have no use for it in it's current state. When I play multiplayer games, it tends to be eSports titles. I want the high FPS. When I play single player games, I just want to turn settings up and enjoy the game in all it's prettiness. Rasterization and VRam just mean more to me. I play at 1440p so that put the 6800 XT as my "happy spot" on paper. So far, it hits that "happy spot"

Monitor: Uperfect 7 inch monitor. In the process of this build, I decided I wanted to build a laptop. Big monitors are going out. I'm a 7inch gamer now. /s I've been eyeing Aida64 for a while. Up until the recent Jayz2cents video, I didn't realize just how easy it was to set up. That what the various cables and adapters are for. Finding a way to set up an Aida64 monitor on this case with as little cabling outside of it as I can. 

Case: On paper, it looked like it might not work. On paper, it also looked like it would work. Knowing how hot the components I went with are, it was going to be tight. The tear downs of this case made it look like I could run some cables in the panels out side of the chassis it's self. Having a separate "compartment" for the GPU should make cooling easier. As for going for the RVZ03 instead of the RVZ03-RGB. I've been in a fight with myself to get rid of RGB. It just causes more headache than pleasure. 

RGB: Welllll, the 6800 XT has the red LEDs built in. I was able to run the USB and HDMI cables for my resource monitor in a way that it completely blocks out that RGB. The case has RGB in the front panel. A portion of the diffuser got cut up to allow cables to pass through it. Looking at the case now, I seem to have "forgotten" to plug the strip behind the diffuser in /s. 

Sponsors:

This is where I'd like to take a moment to thank the sponsors of this build. We have two here.

Work. I'd like to thank payroll for sponsoring the bill for this build. I'd also like to thank IT for turning a blind eye to all the "side projects" I do while payroll is working on counting up how much I get from their sponsorship.

Patience. I'd like to thank the gift of patience. When I didn't get the 6800 XT on launch day, I could have given up. I could have gotten angry. Patience got me the 6800 XT and the 5800x in one drop the morning that the 6900 XT came out and everyone was focused on that.

 

 

This is going to be your heating for your room 

[IkeaGnome]

19 hours ago, Noxitb said:

This is going to be your heating for your room 

It wasn't bad compared to the current iteration of the build.