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NVIDIA Hopper GPU reportedly delayed, Lovelace on 5nm coming instead: RTX 4090 AD102 with 18,432 CUDA Cores is 2x faster than RTX 3090 GA102 (Updated)

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NVIDIA's next-gen GPU architecture was meant to be the new Hopper GPU, which was expected to be a monster multi-chip module (MCM) GPU. Essentially how AMD's new Zen CPUs are built from smaller chiplets, an MCM-based GPU would be very similar (lots of small GPUs working together as one big beast). In the past, the rumors made us believe that the architecture coming after Ampere is allegedly being called Hopper. Hopper architecture is supposed to bring multi-chip packaging technology and be introduced after Ampere. However, thanks to @kopite7kimi on Twitter, a reliable source of information; we have data that NVIDIA is reportedly working on a monolithic GPU architecture that the company internally refers to as "ADxxx" for its codenames. New rumors suggest NVIDIA has delayed its new Hopper GPU architecture, which was expected to pop its head up in 2021 sometime on the new 5nm node. But it seems that the new GPU architecture coming from NVIDIA will be code named Lovelace, after British mathematician Ada Lovelace.

 

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The new monolithically-designed Lovelace architecture is going to make a debut on the 5 nm semiconductor manufacturing process, a whole year earlier than Hopper. It is unknown which foundry will manufacture the GPUs, however, both of NVIDIA's partners, TSMC and Samsung, are capable of manufacturing it. Hopper is expected to arrive sometime in 2023-2024 and utilizing MCM technology, while the Lovelace architecture will appear in 2021-2022. We are not sure if the Hopper architecture will be exclusive to data centers or extend to the gaming segment as well. The Ada Lovelace architecture is supposedly going to be a gaming GPU family. Ada Lovelace, a British mathematician, has appeared on NVIDIA's 2018 GTC t-shirt known as "Company of Heroes", so NVIDIA may have already been using the ADxxx codenames internally for a long time now:

 

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Source 1: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rumored-to-introduce-gpu-architecture-named-after-ada-lovelace

Source 2: https://www.techpowerup.com/276268/nvidia-to-introduce-an-architecture-named-after-ada-lovelace-hopper-delayed

Source 3: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/76881/nvidia-hopper-gpu-reportedly-delayed-lovelace-coming-soon-on-5nm/index.html 

 

It appears nobody really knows which foundry NVIDIA will make the new Lovelace 5nm GPUs on, but there still is a choice between TSMC and Samsung. We know NVIDIA has renewed a contract with Samsung for more future Ampere parts, but we also have new information of Apple occupying 80% of TSMC's 5nm process production. Making it seem, at least on paper, a third contract renewal with Samsung would be fitting. There seems to be conflicting information on whether the Lovelace GPU architecture will find its way into gaming cards (Lovelace and Hopper could be meant for HPC GPUs). Sort of how we originally thought Volta would be for gaming, but that ended up not being the case; Volta was for data center entirely, and out of nowhere Turing emerged as the new gaming architecture. This could possibly be the case here, where Hopper is for enterprise and Lovelace is for consumer (gaming) products. I expect next year (2021) we will have a much better idea of what to expect from NVIDIA, with more detailed rumors emerging on this very topic (so remain skeptical in the meantime). 

 

Colossal update ~

 

NVIDIA's next-gen AD102 GPU: RTX 4090 twice as fast as the RTX 3090. AD102 Features 18,432 CUDa Cores & 66.4 TFLOPs Of Graphics Horsepower after rumoured specifications emerge:
 

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Leaker @kopite7kimi (a highly credible source with NVIDIA leaks) shared the expected structure of the AD102 GPU, which will allegedly come with a “12×6” structure. Based on this structure, 3DCenter calculated that this GPU might come with 12x GPCs (graphics processing clusters), 72x (12×6) TPCs (texture processing units), and 144x SMs (streaming processors). This translates to a maximum of 18,432 CUDA cores and 66.4 TFLOPs at 1.8GHz, 71% more than the GA102 GPU used on the Nvidia Tesla A40 graphics card. The memory configuration and process node details are still unknown, however.

 

Source 4: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ada-gpu-rumored-specs-18432-cores-64-tflops

Source 5: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-lovelace-next-gaming-gpu-rumor

Source 6: https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-lovelace-gpu-18432-cuda-cores

Source 7: https://www.techpowerup.com/276455/nvidias-next-gen-big-gpu-ad102-features-18-432-shaders

Source 8: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ad102-lovelace-gpu-rumored-to-offer-up-to-18432-cuda-cores

Source 9: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/76967/nvidias-next-gen-ad102-gpu-rtx-4090-twice-as-fast-the-3090/index.html

Source 10: https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/nvidia-ad102-gpu-lovelace-rumoured-specifications-emerge/

Source 11: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_s_ad102_lovelace_gpu_reportedly_offers_gamers_up_to_18432_cuda_cores/1

 

Quick and dirty napkin math time:

 

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Crunching some numbers to give people some context of the performance of this supposed RTX 4090 (Lovelace) AD102 GPU. Here is the average relative performance of many cards (@ 4K Resolution), including the RTX 3090 (Ampere):

 

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The RTX 3090 has 10,496 CUDA Cores. Using that number alone and not accounting for other improvements with Lovelace (such as clock speed and/or memory bandwidth increases). The RTX 4090 (Lovelace) is supposed to have 18,432 CUDA Cores or 76% more than the current RTX 3090. That would put it at 166% on this chart. Making it (the RTX 4090, Lovelace) 66% faster than a reference RTX 3090. 

 

Using a more concrete example. Here are 4K Ultra results of Cyberpunk 2077:

 

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Notice the RTX 3090 (Ampere) with 42.3 FPS. The RTX 4090 (Lovelace) would have somewhere between 70-75FPS (assuming linear CUDA Core scaling and accounting for no other improvements to the Lovelace architecture / AD102 GPU). Extremely remarkable stuff. Even if you only compare TFLOPS to TFLOPS, the AD102 Lovelace GPU is still around a whopping 72% faster than the current GA102 Ampere GPU!

 

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I like Ada Picture a very nice lady 🥰  ...  that wont make me like nvidia though, nvidia can trip and fall off the stairs for all i care.

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53 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

I'm not quite sure this is accurate. 

If people believe every bullshit Nintendo Direct rumor on 4chan then they'll believe random Twitter users too.

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1 hour ago, RorzNZ said:

I'm not quite sure this is accurate. 

It's as reliable as it gets if a company doesn't want to say something "official" but still wants people to talk about upcoming products etc. 

 

 

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The next generation will be called "Jensen" because he has no shame and it will be 1nm.

Nvidia secretly has a 1nm fab.

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So they will be back to dual core for the 4090 I guess?

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19 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

I'm not quite sure this is accurate. 

A user on twitter. I have no idea about that user, but when Sony's account on twitter posts something, you can be sure it's them, even if it was posted by a *twitter account*.

 

I will also add that being two or more generations after ampere is still technically 'after Ampere'. My feel on MCM news regarding GPUs was that it is the future, but not a near one, so I am expecting some kind of transformation period, maybe even two types of archs at once at some point.

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22 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

It's as reliable as it gets if a company doesn't want to say something "official" but still wants people to talk about upcoming products etc. 

 

 

So it's not reliable at all

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46 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

So it's not reliable at all

no its as reliable as it gets. 

 

you seem to assume these "leaks" are random occurrences, whereas I believe they're simply the way companies like to communicate about their products, they're way too often way too accurate to not to be planted directly from any given companies PR machinery. Hence "as accurate / reliable" as it gets. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

no its as reliable as it gets. 

 

whereas I believe 

No they aren't reliable at all. Your proof is you believing it's accurate 

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On 12/24/2020 at 1:52 PM, Mark Kaine said:

It's as reliable as it gets if a company doesn't want to say something "official" but still wants people to talk about upcoming products etc. 

 

 

If you need a prerequisite for a source to be reliable then it isn't reliable in the first place. That like saying redit is a reliable place for medical advice if you are talking with a medical doctor in a thread. The fact is Twitter isn't a reliable source as it could be someone who has insider info or it could be someone who has no clue what they are talking about. 

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52 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

If you need a prerequisite for a source to be reliable then it isn't reliable in the first place. That like saying redit is a reliable place for medical advice if you are talking with a medical doctor in a thread. The fact is Twitter isn't a reliable source as it could be someone who has insider info or it could be someone who has no clue what they are talking about. 

that would be the case if certain "leakers" wouldn't have a track record for being spot on... 

 

 

this kimi guy isn't random at all for example. 

 

point is these aren't "leaks" and certain accounts aren't "random". 

 

frankly I hate this "leak" culture, I think it's weak and cowardish but it is what it is, and it isn't more or less "reliable" than any other form of advertising. 

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Colossal update (if even remotely accurate), will add to OP ~

 

NVIDIA's next-gen AD102 GPU: RTX 4090 twice as fast as the RTX 3090. AD102 Features 18,432 CUDA Cores & 66.4 TFLOPs of Graphics Horsepower after rumoured specifications emerge:
 

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Leaker @kopite7kimi (a highly credible source with NVIDIA leaks) shared the expected structure of the AD102 GPU, which will allegedly come with a “12×6” structure. Based on this structure, 3DCenter calculated that this GPU might come with 12x GPCs (graphics processing clusters), 72x (12×6) TPCs (texture processing units), and 144x SMs (streaming processors). This translates to a maximum of 18,432 CUDA cores and 66.4 TFLOPs at 1.8GHz, 71% more than the GA102 GPU used on the Nvidia Tesla A40 graphics card. The memory configuration and process node details are still unknown, however.

 

Source 1: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ada-gpu-rumored-specs-18432-cores-64-tflops

Source 2: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-lovelace-next-gaming-gpu-rumor

Source 3: https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-lovelace-gpu-18432-cuda-cores

Source 4: https://www.techpowerup.com/276455/nvidias-next-gen-big-gpu-ad102-features-18-432-shaders

Source 5: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ad102-lovelace-gpu-rumored-to-offer-up-to-18432-cuda-cores

Source 6: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/76967/nvidias-next-gen-ad102-gpu-rtx-4090-twice-as-fast-the-3090/index.html

Source 7: https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/nvidia-ad102-gpu-lovelace-rumoured-specifications-emerge/

Source 8: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/nvidia_s_ad102_lovelace_gpu_reportedly_offers_gamers_up_to_18432_cuda_cores/1

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Nice. If true.

Will likely be sold at $4000 isn't it.

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Crunching some numbers to give people some context of the performance of this supposed RTX 4090 (Lovelace) GPU. Here is the average relative performance of many cards (@ 4K Resolution), including the RTX 3090 (Ampere):

 

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The RTX 3090 has 10,496 CUDA Cores. Using that number alone and not accounting for other improvements with Lovelace (such as clock speed and/or memory bandwidth increases). The RTX 4090 (Lovelace) is supposed to have 18,432 CUDA Cores or 76% more than the current RTX 3090. That would put it at 166% on this chart. Making it (the RTX 4090, Lovelace) 66% faster than a reference RTX 3090. 

 

Using a more concrete example. Here are 4K Ultra results of Cyberpunk 2077:

 

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Notice the RTX 3090 (Ampere) with 42.3 FPS. The RTX 4090 (Lovelace) would have somewhere between 70-75FPS (assuming linear CUDA Core scaling and accounting for no other improvements to the Lovelace architecture). Extremely remarkable stuff. Even if you only compare TFLOPS to TFLOPS, the AD102 Lovelace GPU is still around a whopping 72% faster than the current GA102 Ampere GPU!

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So instead of 2 years update, we ll have a new one in 6 months? And suddenly instead of 10-20% increase in performance, we ll have doubled that seems a bit hoax.

Only chance that that is true is if it is a new quadro in a stupid price

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3 hours ago, PeachGr said:

So instead of 2 years update, we ll have a new one in 6 months? And suddenly instead of 10-20% increase in performance, we ll have doubled that seems a bit hoax.

Only chance that that is true is if it is a new quadro in a stupid price

Or just RTX 3090Ti with a stupid price.

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33 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Or just RTX 3090Ti with a stupid price.

Doubtful, it's a different architecture. I will wait till late February to upgrade anyway, so we ll find out

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12 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

Doubtful, it's a different architecture. I will wait till late February to upgrade anyway, so we ll find out

You can be assured new architecture won't come out in mere 6 months after major launch of Ampere. Not recouping the money spent on R&D for it would just be dumb. Especially since it's a significant performance uplift and there is a lot of demand for it. And it's a really powerful GPU.

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19 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

You can be assured new architecture won't come out in mere 6 months after major launch of Ampere. Not recouping the money spent on R&D for it would just be dumb. Especially since it's a significant performance uplift and there is a lot of demand for it. And it's a really powerful GPU.

Yeah, that's why I ll consider the article fake :/ nothing adds up

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4 hours ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah, that's why I ll consider the article fake :/ nothing adds up

Amd mentioned rdna 3 for q4 of 2021. Nvidia has been releasing a new gen every 1.5-2 years the past couple of generations. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re fast tracking it to launch against rdna 3. Not in 6 months though, that would be insane.

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