I was offered this PC freshly build for 816 dollars.

[MacoyGG]

Budget (including currency): 820 dollars max 

Country: Denmark

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Cyperpunk, Call of Duty, CS:GO, DotA 2, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, Video editing and streaming to twitch. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I still only have a 60hz screen, but 144hz will come sooner or later. Since I do not own any 4k peripherals, I'm strictly going for 1080p gaming, with a focus on eSport performance, like lowered settings in csgo / dota / starcraft. 

 

 

This is what i own: 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
CPU: Intel i7-3770 @ 3.4Ghz
GPU: GTX 970 Strix 
RAM: 2x 8gb Kingston DIMM 240-pin - 800 MHz
PSU: Corsair tx850w (from 2009 LOL)

Case: Old ass scheisse.

 

This is the build I was offered to buy for 818 dollars, all in parts and will be build today, if i choose to buy it from him; 

CPU: i5 10400F
Motherboard: MSI B460 
RAM: 2x Ballistic Sport 8GB - 2666mhz (16 GB DDR4 total)
PSU: 550 Watt Fourze 
Case: Fourze T320 OR i can choose Duzto C520 TG RBG 
SSD: 500 GB NVME M2 
GPU: Asus GTX 1660 Super

To me it sounded like a no-brainer - Can play basically everything at 1080p, maybe even go a little 4k if i get a monitor for it? Then maybe within 1 year i can think of upgrading GPU to a rtx 30xx series? 
Would like some thoughts, before I jump the ship and drive to him to buy this thing. 

Appreciate you all, thanks in advance   

[Tan3l6]

The PSU of the offered PC is total unknown - no good probably.

I'd say keep your current build. Gateher more money and get a more decent offer.

If your current machine lacks SSD I'd start upgrading from there.

 

Edit: or maybe buy a 1660 (Super) to your current machine.

[DoctorNick]

11 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

CPU: i5 10400F
Motherboard: MSI B460 
RAM: 2x Ballistic Sport 8GB - 2666mhz (16 GB DDR4 total)
PSU: 550 Watt Fourze 
Case: Fourze T320 OR i can choose Duzto C520 TG RBG 
SSD: 500 GB NVME M2 
GPU: Asus GTX 1660 Super

Actually pretty decent. Compared to Shark gaming you'll save 2000 dkk. If you plan to go 1440p at some point, I say go for it! And if you plan to upgrade the GPU at some point, upgrade PSU as well. Should be enough for this setup though.

[MacoyGG]

2 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

The PSU of the offered PC is total unknown - no good probably.

I'd say keep your current build. Gateher more money and get a more decent offer.

If your current machine lacks SSD I'd start upgrading from there.

Fourze is a danish brand, here is the PSU https://www.fcomputer.dk/fourze-ps550-stroemforsyning-550w?utm_source=pricerunner&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pricerunner
I mean, it's 80+ Certified, can't see if it's bronze or gold tho... 

How about a buy like this, 
Intel i7-8700k
Asus Z370-P motherboard
Cosair RM550X PSU
250 SSD Samsung
Be Quiet dark rock 4 cooler
Be Quet 140mm case fan
Fractal case

 

... and then i'll put in my gtx 970, and buy some new 3200mhz 16gb rams for it? I can buy these parts for 571 dollars, then 16 gb ram corsair vengeance for prob about 70-80 dollars. 

[Tan3l6]

1 minute ago, MacoyGG said:

Fourze is a danish brand, here is the PSU https://www.fcomputer.dk/fourze-ps550-stroemforsyning-550w?utm_source=pricerunner&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pricerunner
I mean, it's 80+ Certified, can't see if it's bronze or gold tho... 

How about a buy like this, 
Intel i7-8700k
Asus Z370-P motherboard
Cosair RM550X PSU
250 SSD Samsung
Be Quiet dark rock 4 cooler
Be Quet 140mm case fan
Fractal case

 

... and then i'll put in my gtx 970, and buy some new 3200mhz 16gb rams for it? I can buy these parts for 571 dollars, then 16 gb ram corsair vengeance for prob about 70-80 dollars. 

Yeah, Danish brand but labelled "made in China"  anyway...

 

 

The second plan seems more reasonable imo. All seem quality parts, though graphcs performance would be lower with 970 than 1660 Super of course.

[Prodigy_Smit]

2 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

I mean, it's 80+ Certified,

That not a good way to judge a PSU. I would open up the teir list and ask the guy to build it with something from A or B teir even C teir would be fine.

 

 

[Nena Trinity]

I see nothing that makes me worried except the power supply, if its from a reputable brand it may be fine how ever if you put a bigger graphics card in later I would replace that power supply just in case...

[MacoyGG]

4 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Actually pretty decent. Compared to Shark gaming you'll save 2000 dkk. If you plan to go 1440p at some point, I say go for it! And if you plan to upgrade the GPU at some point, upgrade PSU as well. Should be enough for this setup though.

I tried to build the same on prob the most popular gaming shop in denmark, MM-Vision. (https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/kurv)

Asus B460M-K Prime bundkort
	Intel® Core™ i5-10400F Processor (Tray)
	Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM
	Asus GeForce® GTX 1660S 6GB grafikkort
	Intel 660P 512GB M.2 NVMe SSD
	Vision Redline Gaming Black case
	Corsair CV550 550W 80+ Bronze Stromforsyning

With a Corsair PSU and 3000mhz Corsair ram instead of 2666mhz Ballistic Sport.
This would cost me USD 979,-, without windows installed. 

So i guess, i save a bit of money from buying it from this guy, but not a lot. 
 

[Gaires]

How about something like this? You keep the 970 till 3050 / 3060 / amd equilevant is on stock.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	1359.88kr @ Senetic
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	849.00kr @ Proshop
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	528.00kr @ Alternate
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	778.00kr @ Proshop
Power Supply	be quiet! System Power 9 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	453.00kr @ Proshop
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	3967.88kr
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-14 12:19 CET+0100

 

You can even keep the current case and save some money, or upgrade the motherboard to x570. Didn't find any b550 boards, but those would be the best path.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Gaires
Typo

[MacoyGG]

2 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Yeah, Danish brand but labelled "made in China"  anyway...

 

 

The second plan seems more reasonable imo. All seem quality parts, though graphcs performance would be lower with 970 than 1660 Super of course.

Even though my current setup has lasted me +7 years, I'm just afraid that this 8th gen CPU will be obsolete soon with the 11th gen, and then i would have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade to that gen. I think with the b460, it's only a BIOS update, so money saved there... 
But which card would you suggest i buy, with that second build then? Could i even go for RTX with that build, with a 8700k i7 - or will i have to spend more money in the future, with this build ?

I really just want bang for buck here right now, haven't bought any PC or parts in 7 years, but I'm not that enthusiastic of a gamer... only 1080p, very competitive player, streaming sometimes, wants to edit some videos for content. If i can spend 800 dollars now, and not upgrade that first build in the coming years ( maybe only for a RTX upgrade), then isn't that gonna be worth the money, here in 2020?

[Tan3l6]

2 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

Even though my current setup has lasted me +7 years, I'm just afraid that this 8th gen CPU will be obsolete soon with the 11th gen, and then i would have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade to that gen. I think with the b460, it's only a BIOS update, so money saved there... 
But which card would you suggest i buy, with that second build then? Could i even go for RTX with that build, with a 8700k i7 - or will i have to spend more money in the future, with this build ?

I really just want bang for buck here right now, haven't bought any PC or parts in 7 years, but I'm not that enthusiastic of a gamer... only 1080p, very competitive player, streaming sometimes, wants to edit some videos for content. If i can spend 800 dollars now, and not upgrade that first build in the coming years ( maybe only for a RTX upgrade), then isn't that gonna be worth the money, here in 2020?

I'd buy from used PC market almost everything but PSU. Used parts are about 20-35% chaeper in my experience.

Don't know any danish used parts place though...

[MacoyGG]

3 minutes ago, Gaires said:

How about something like this? You keep the 970 till 3050 / 3060 / amd equilevant is on stock.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	1359.88kr @ Senetic
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	849.00kr @ Proshop
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	528.00kr @ Alternate
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	778.00kr @ Proshop
Power Supply	be quiet! System Power 9 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	453.00kr @ Proshop
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	3967.88kr
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-14 12:19 CET+0100

 

You can even keep the current case and save some money, or upgrade the motherboard to x570. Didn't find any b550 boards, but those would be the best path.

My current case is prob from 2012, and is pretty small. I had to take my HDD stand out, just to get room for the 970. 
I see the money saved here, but I can't see it justified, if I can spend 1000,- KR more, and get a complete new rig instead of re-using my +6 years hardware? 
Or is it just me, who is biased, and gets worried when I see a AMD cpu below the 3000 series? 
I've always been Intel, but I guess I'm just afraid of switching at this point

[MacoyGG]

3 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

I'd buy from used PC market almost everything but PSU. Used parts are about 20-35% chaeper in my experience.

Don't know any danish used parts place though...

I did find this build from www.dba.dk, which is just like Ebay / Amazon. People selling used stuff, and this is the same way i found my old build, very cheap, 7 years ago. 

So I'm comfortable in buying in here, since I also have some experience. But I'm trying what i can to find the most affordable upgrade atm, and i've been stubborn to try and play with this build for so long. I need a significant upgrade and i need to feel full 1080p  
I just can't decide

[MacoyGG]

23 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Actually pretty decent. Compared to Shark gaming you'll save 2000 dkk. If you plan to go 1440p at some point, I say go for it! And if you plan to upgrade the GPU at some point, upgrade PSU as well. Should be enough for this setup though.

And maybe you, as a Fellow dane, can vouch for Fourze? You have any experience with their products?  

[Tan3l6]

1 minute ago, MacoyGG said:

And maybe you, as a Fellow dane, can vouch for Fourze? You have any experience with their products?  

I'm not danish, but I really recommend not to buy an unknown brand PSU. Good PSU is worth the price. Like the Corsair RM550x mentioned before.

[Gaires]

2 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

I see the money saved here, but I can't see it justified, if I can spend 1000,- KR more, and get a complete new rig instead of re-using my +6 years hardware? 

Temporarily, yes. But mostly because the new GPU's are out of stock and lower end cards aren't even available yet.

3 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

and gets worried when I see a AMD cpu below the 3000 series?

2600x isn't a bad processor, and once it's not good enough you can just pop in the new 5000 series Ryzen in there. No need to buy whole new motherboard and basically build the system from a scratch.

[Tan3l6]

Anyway, if I were you, I'd just upgrade GPU to GTX 1070 for now. But it's up to your preference.

[MacoyGG]

1 minute ago, Gaires said:

Temporarily, yes. But mostly because the new GPU's are out of stock and lower end cards aren't even available yet.

2600x isn't a bad processor, and once it's not good enough you can just pop in the new 5000 series Ryzen in there. No need to buy whole new motherboard and basically build the system from a scratch.

What do you think about this? 

Corsair Hydro-series HS50 Gaming
MB1151 Asus Z370-H ROG Strix ATX
Intel Core I7-8700K <4.7GHz 6-Core CPU (Coffee Lake)
CPUV Corsair H100 240mm Water-cooled
DDR4-3000 32GB Corsair Vengeance XMP RAM
SSD WD Black 512GB M.2 NVMe (SSD)
CASE Corsair Carbide 400C Clear Kabinet
CorsairLL140 RGB 140mm Dual Light Loop RGB LED PWM Fan
CorsairLL120 RGB 140mm Dual Light Loop RGB LED PWM Fan

 

All this for 734 dollars, then i spend the last 100 dollars on a PSU to put in, and then stick in my 970? upgrade in the future

Just now, Tan3l6 said:

Anyway, if I were you, I'd just upgrade GPU to GTX 1070 for now. But it's up to your preference.

But the reason I'm looking to buy, is mainly because my own PC is failing atm. I'm suspecting it's my PSU that's not able to give enough power anymore to power everything, which gave me problems to go past BIOS logo screen, it would always freeze

[MacoyGG]

6 minutes ago, Gaires said:

Temporarily, yes. But mostly because the new GPU's are out of stock and lower end cards aren't even available yet.

2600x isn't a bad processor, and once it's not good enough you can just pop in the new 5000 series Ryzen in there. No need to buy whole new motherboard and basically build the system from a scratch.

What do you think about this then? 

for 734 dollars: 
GPU: Radeon 580x (new)
CPU: Intel core i5 9600
CPU Cooler: cooler master hyper H412R
Motherboard: Asus Rog B360-f gaming
Ram: 16 GB Corsair vengeance 3200 MHz
Case: NZXT 500i
PSU: Hyper x 550w
Storage: Kingston 480GB SATA SSD (ny)

 

[MacoyGG]

7 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Anyway, if I were you, I'd just upgrade GPU to GTX 1070 for now. But it's up to your preference.

 

10 minutes ago, Gaires said:

Temporarily, yes. But mostly because the new GPU's are out of stock and lower end cards aren't even available yet.

2600x isn't a bad processor, and once it's not good enough you can just pop in the new 5000 series Ryzen in there. No need to buy whole new motherboard and basically build the system from a scratch.

What you guys think about this one?

Cpu : Ryzen 5 3600
Cooler : Be Quiet, Pure Rock 2
Ram : 16gb G.Skill Aegis DDR4-3200 CL16
MB : ASUS TUF B450-PRO Gaming
Gpu : NONE (Insert my 970 Strix -- Wait for upgrade?)
Psu : Chiftec CORE 700W GOLD
Ssd : Samsung M2 250gb
Case : Corsair Carbide 100R

 

This can be bought for 800 dollars

[DoctorNick]

2 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

 

What you guys think about this one?

Cpu : Ryzen 5 3600
Cooler : Be Quiet, Pure Rock 2
Ram : 16gb G.Skill Aegis DDR4-3200 CL16
MB : ASUS TUF B450-PRO Gaming
Gpu : NONE (Insert my 970 Strix -- Wait for upgrade?)
Psu : Chiftec CORE 700W GOLD
Ssd : Samsung M2 250gb
Case : Corsair Carbide 100R

 

This can be bought for 800 dollars

I think we have a winner. You can upgrade GPU + CPU to Ryzen 5000 (if you need to at some point, should be fine, especially if you're going 1440p at some point)

[Gaires]

3 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

MB1151 Asus Z370-H ROG Strix ATX
Intel Core I7-8700K <4.7GHz 6-Core CPU (Coffee Lake)

Dead platform so you won't have a much of an upgrade path once the CPU starts to be too slow.

1 minute ago, MacoyGG said:

GPU: Radeon 580x (new)
CPU: Intel core i5 9600

While RX 580 isn't a bad card, you shouldn't buy one new today unless it's 100 euros or so. And again, you again you cannot upgrade the CPU much once it starts to be too slow.

While those CPU's might be faster than the 2600x, you have more processors to choose from once it starts to struggle.

 

4 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

Cooler : Be Quiet, Pure Rock 2

Save some money and use the included cooler. It's easy enough to swap if you find it too loud.

5 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

MB : ASUS TUF B450-PRO Gaming

Make sure it will have a support for Ryzen 5000 series.

5 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

Psu : Chiftec CORE 700W GOLD

Is it cheaper than the Be Quiet? You don't really need 700 watts unless you're going to upgrade to 3070 / 3080 / 6800 / 6800xt but in this case you would want a better quality power supply to handle those spikes.

8 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

Corsair Carbide 100R

Looking at the pictures it looks pretty bad case for airflow. See if you can find reviews of the case. Gamers Nexus does really good case reviews in Youtube.

[MacoyGG]

19 minutes ago, Gaires said:

Dead platform so you won't have a much of an upgrade path once the CPU starts to be too slow.

While RX 580 isn't a bad card, you shouldn't buy one new today unless it's 100 euros or so. And again, you again you cannot upgrade the CPU much once it starts to be too slow.

While those CPU's might be faster than the 2600x, you have more processors to choose from once it starts to struggle.

 

Save some money and use the included cooler. It's easy enough to swap if you find it too loud.

Make sure it will have a support for Ryzen 5000 series.

Is it cheaper than the Be Quiet? You don't really need 700 watts unless you're going to upgrade to 3070 / 3080 / 6800 / 6800xt but in this case you would want a better quality power supply to handle those spikes.

Looking at the pictures it looks pretty bad case for airflow. See if you can find reviews of the case. Gamers Nexus does really good case reviews in Youtube.

All of these builds, are second hand offers - So I doubt the seller wants to keep individual parts, but rather sell it all as a whole. 
But for a future proof build, that's mainly focused on getting a new GPU to replace my 970 strix, and then CPU afterwards - Isn't this a great value buy?

Or is it maybe more value if I try and buy completely new parts and try and build myself? Like, is it worth spending money on buying a new fresh ryzen 5 3600, b450 mobo, ram and 650w corsair power supply, then focus on gpu later? I'm really torn and can't decide, I need someone to hit me in the face and say that AMD is the way

[Applefreak]

55 minutes ago, MacoyGG said:

Budget (including currency): 820 dollars max 

Country: Denmark

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Cyperpunk, Call of Duty, CS:GO, DotA 2, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, Video editing and streaming to twitch. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I still only have a 60hz screen, but 144hz will come sooner or later. Since I do not own any 4k peripherals, I'm strictly going for 1080p gaming, with a focus on eSport performance, like lowered settings in csgo / dota / starcraft. 

 

 

This is what i own: 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
CPU: Intel i7-3770 @ 3.4Ghz
GPU: GTX 970 Strix 
RAM: 2x 8gb Kingston DIMM 240-pin - 800 MHz
PSU: Corsair tx850w (from 2009 LOL)

Case: Old ass scheisse.

 

This is the build I was offered to buy for 818 dollars, all in parts and will be build today, if i choose to buy it from him; 

CPU: i5 10400F
Motherboard: MSI B460 
RAM: 2x Ballistic Sport 8GB - 2666mhz (16 GB DDR4 total)
PSU: 550 Watt Fourze 
Case: Fourze T320 OR i can choose Duzto C520 TG RBG 
SSD: 500 GB NVME M2 
GPU: Asus GTX 1660 Super

To me it sounded like a no-brainer - Can play basically everything at 1080p, maybe even go a little 4k if i get a monitor for it? Then maybe within 1 year i can think of upgrading GPU to a rtx 30xx series? 
Would like some thoughts, before I jump the ship and drive to him to buy this thing. 

Appreciate you all, thanks in advance   

I have heard of Fourze but their website seems sketchy at best. 

Have you thought of saving some money and just upgrading the graphics card instead. Yes your CPU is fairly old at this point but what you will need is ram and 4 gb or more of vram. The game seems to prefer a better GPU rather than a fast CPU. Still very buggy at the moment though. 

 

I've tried to recreate the setup as best as I could for a price comparison and my total comes to about 5500 DK. So I guess the deal is not bad, just depends on the quality of those parts (are they used?) I am not trusting that PSU and the case is bad for airflow.

 

Again, my recommendation is to buy the GPU first, maybe wait until the 3060 or 3050 come around to not waste money on an old GTX card or go AMD if you want to, depending what will be in stocks by then.

The i5-10400 basically doubles the computational power of your system. However that does not translate to fps in the same way. The components the seller has chosen (the weak PSU for example) will hinder an upgrade in the future. 

If you wanted a bang for the buck system to play modern games and not bottleneck a video card (up to a 3070), a Ryzen setup consisting of a B550 board with a 3100 or if you can get one, a 3300x cpu with 16 GB ram will be a good choice and you can likely keep you PSU for now as it is a high quality part but try to replace it sometime next year (sooner rather than later). You could get the AMD system for around 2200 DK at the moment, that's including a CPU, motherboard and 16 GB SD-DDR4 3200 MHz ram. However you would have to build it yourself. If you do not have the time or are willing to learn the skills to do it or have the time to wait on components to be shipped, you may choose that pre-built computer instead. But make sure that the seller offers you some kind of service agreement with onsite repair or support, should something be broken right from the start.

[MacoyGG]

1 minute ago, Applefreak said:

I have heard of Fourze but their website seems sketchy at best. 

Have you thought of saving some money and just upgrading the graphics card instead. Yes your CPU is fairly old at this point but what you will need is ram and 4 gb or more of vram. The game seems to prefer a better GPU rather than a fast CPU. Still very buggy at the moment though. 

 

I've tried to recreate the setup as best as I could for a price comparison and my total comes to about 5500 DK. So I guess the deal is not bad, just depends on the quality of those parts (are they used?) I am not trusting that PSU and the case is bad for airflow.

 

Again, my recommendation is to buy the GPU first, maybe wait until the 3060 or 3050 come around to not waste money on an old GTX card or go AMD if you want to, depending what will be in stocks by then.

The i5-10400 basically doubles the computational power of your system. However that does not translate to fps in the same way. The components the seller has chosen (the weak PSU for example) will hinder an upgrade in the future. 

If you wanted a bang for the buck system to play modern games and not bottleneck a video card (up to a 3070), a Ryzen setup consisting of a B550 board with a 3100 or if you can get one, a 3300x cpu with 16 GB ram will be a good choice and you can likely keep you PSU for now as it is a high quality part but try to replace it sometime next year (sooner rather than later). You could get the AMD system for around 2200 DK at the moment, that's including a CPU, motherboard and 16 GB SD-DDR4 3200 MHz ram. However you would have to build it yourself. If you do not have the time or are willing to learn the skills to do it or have the time to wait on components to be shipped, you may choose that pre-built computer instead. But make sure that the seller offers you some kind of service agreement with onsite repair or support, should something be broken right from the start.

I would love to build the PC myself, Never done it but I am fairly sure it's something im capable of "finding out" or learning. But are you sure that it's safe to use a power supply released in 2009, for a build with current gen parts?