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Adobe Releases Lightroom for Apple M1 and Windows Arm, Adds Apple ProRAW Support

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Adobe has announced that the latest version of Adobe Lightroom is now a native app for both Apple computers with the new M1 chip as well as Windows Arm platforms. The company says the app has been “rebuilt to take advantage of the newest performance and power efficiency benefits.”

 

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“As we’re getting started on desktop Arm / Apple M1, we’ll continue to optimize for Arm and M1 in subsequent releases,” Adobe’s Sharad Mangalick writes on the Adobe Blog. “And if you’re on an Intel-based computer, don’t worry… we’ll continue to invest in and improve Lightroom for you too.”

 

In addition to the updates around the Apple M1 and Windows Arm support, Adobe Camera Raw has been updated to support Apple ProRAW, the company’s impending new RAW file format. You’ll be able to import and edit images taken in the Apple ProRAW format in the December updates to Camera Raw, Lightroom Classic, or Lightroom (desktop, iOS, Android, lightroom.adobe.com). ProRAW is built using the Adobe DNG file format and specification. Support for ProRAW should now be available as soon as Apple ships the update.

 

My thoughts

Great news for everyone (except x86 boys). I think Apple might have made Microsoft a big favor with the M1 (and subsequent AS chips), because I have a feeling it will not only be Adobe that will release versions for Windows on ARM as consequence of Apples move to AS. 

 

Sources

https://petapixel.com/2020/12/08/adobe-releases-lightroom-for-apple-m1-and-windows-arm-adds-apple-proraw-support/

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2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's so cringy everyone dismissing x86 just because M1 works in Apple's specific use case. Weren't we just few months ago raving around monstrous compute powerhouses called Ryzen 5000 series? Funny...

Well, Ryzen has lost its performance advantage now by quite a massive margin. When these crazy M1 chips start rolling out with 12, 16, 32 and 64 cores, Ryzen will be getting spanked in performance 5 times harder than AMD spanked Intel.

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3 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's so cringy everyone dismissing x86 just because M1 works in Apple's specific use case. Weren't we just few months ago raving around monstrous compute powerhouses called Ryzen 5000 series? Funny...

POWER houses is the right word. The M1 runs 4 performance cores at less power than a Ryzen 3rd gen chip takes to run one. 

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3 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's so cringy everyone dismissing x86 just because M1 works in Apple's specific use case. Weren't we just few months ago raving around monstrous compute powerhouses called Ryzen 5000 series? Funny...

What's "cringy" is all the AMD and Intel fanboys that can't appreciate what Apple has been able to do and what it might mean for the future. 

 

I am sure that the people now trying to dismiss Apple's accomplishments would have been all over the M1 if it had been made by AMD instead.

 

Zen3 is really good. Apple's firestorm cores pretty much matches Zen3 in terms of performance so if we were raving about Zen3 why shouldn't we also be raving about the M1? Especially since Firestorm gets similar performance to Zen3 at way lower power consumption. 

 

 

Anyway, does anyone know what kind of performance this new release gets compared to the previous gen Intel Macs? 

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4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's so cringy everyone dismissing x86 just because M1 works in Apple's specific use case. Weren't we just few months ago raving around monstrous compute powerhouses called Ryzen 5000 series? Funny...

Yep, great news except for x86 how? The app was already supported, the only possible way it could be bad news if support was removed for ARM instead. Good news for one thing  != bad news for another thing.

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3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

What's "cringy" is all the AMD and Intel fanboys that can't appreciate what Apple has been able to do and what it might mean for the future. 

No we can, except not everyone is willing to act like it's the second coming of tech Christ and get needlessly over excited. I mean sure the same thing happened with Ryzen/Zen too mind you.

 

But it totally is cringe so see what was written in the OP about how this is somehow bad for x86? Would have been better to just not mentioned that at all, it doesn't actually need to be there.

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18 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

POWER houses is the right word. The M1 runs 4 performance cores at less power than a Ryzen 3rd gen chip takes to run one. 

No it doesn't, that is factually not correct.

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4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

No it doesn't, that is factually not correct.

No, it is factually correct.

If you load the 5950X with a single thread, all other cores being shut off, the total package power of the 5950X will be 49 watts. The core power will be 22 watts.

If you load up the M1 with a multithreaded workload, all other cores being active, the total power of the entire Mac Mini computer, including fans, storage, memory, etc, is ~26 watts.

 

That statement is only untrue if you start doing math that includes a lot of asterixis where you start subtracting a lot of stuff from the Ryzen CPU and try to extrapolate what one core might use in an idea scenario, or if you downclock the Ryzen chip to be slower than the M1.

 

If we look at it as "how much power does my computer use if I load the M1 with four threads" vs "how much power does my computer use if I load the 5950X with a single thread" then that statement is true.

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3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

No, it is factually correct.

If you load the 5950X with a single thread, all other cores being shut off, the total package power of the 5950X will be 49 watts. The core power will be 22 watts.

If you load up the M1 with a multithreaded workload, all other cores being active, the total power of the entire Mac Mini computer, including fans, storage, memory, etc, is ~26 watts.

 

That statement is only untrue if you start doing math that includes a lot of asterixis where you start subtracting a lot of stuff from the Ryzen CPU and try to extrapolate what one core might use in an idea scenario, or if you downclock the Ryzen chip to be slower than the M1.

 

If we look at it as "how much power does my computer use if I load the M1 with four threads" vs "how much power does my computer use if I load the 5950X with a single thread" then that statement is true.

You stopped me posting my graph :( Also the Mac mini is the most power hungry chip. The Air is what 10W?

 

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19 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

What's "cringy" is all the AMD and Intel fanboys that can't appreciate what Apple has been able to do and what it might mean for the future. 

 

I am sure that the people now trying to dismiss Apple's accomplishments would have been all over the M1 if it had been made by AMD instead.

 

Zen3 is really good. Apple's firestorm cores pretty much matches Zen3 in terms of performance so if we were raving about Zen3 why shouldn't we also be raving about the M1? Especially since Firestorm gets similar performance to Zen3 at way lower power consumption. 

 

 

Anyway, does anyone know what kind of performance this new release gets compared to the previous gen Intel Macs? 

You can read nothing but praise about M1 chip from me in any thread you open. So, try again.

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14 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

No, it is factually correct.

If you load the 5950X with a single thread, all other cores being shut off, the total package power of the 5950X will be 49 watts.

No it is not correct, been down this before. You don't have to pick the 5950X to do this. How about pick a laptop/mobile part with the same or even previous generation Zen 2 core. To say Zen 3 requires more power for a single core as does the entire M1 is not at all correct.

 

So no it is wrong, and no performance and power scaling is not linear and we already know the mobile parts at significantly lower per core power are very very close to the desktop high power parts for performance in both single and multicore performance.

 

But yes lets just pick the worst case possible to make an incorrect point, happens ALL THE TIME.

 

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And FYI Apple is more than capable of also increasing the the power targets on the Firestorm cores just the same making performance per watt worse. Can we apply just a little bit more critical thinking. I would also not be surprised to see Apple do this on even more performance targeted desktop class devices, there is no reason Apple has to limit themselves to the current single core performance they have right now and they can achieve higher if they want to.

 

Having to counter this kind of senseless rhetoric is exactly why people think and accuse me of not liking the M1, which is far from the truth. This goes back to my point about not acting like the M1 is the seconding coming of tech Christ. For what ever reason something simply being very good isn't enough for people and have to make wild claims and statements supported by fundamental falsehoods.

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People also conveniently leave out the fact M1 was specifically tailored for Apple's low power devices with specific MacOS operating system. That's like if AMD and Microsoft collaborated to create Windows 10 AMD Ryzen 5000 Edition that would be specifically tailored for Ryzen 5000 processors to deliver absolutely the best performance on those processors. And also all the developers would specifically optimize software for Ryzen 5000 on this special edition of Windows. That's the extent of Apple's M1 design and integration with the OS. Big Sur knows how to utilize high and low end cores since day 1. Good luck with Intel's high/low core designs as it'll take months if not years to really take off. Just look how long it took for Windows scheduler to catch up with Ryzen's unique CCX design. And that's just how identical cores communicate!

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17 minutes ago, leadeater said:

No it is not correct, been down this before. You don't have to pick the 5950X to do this. How about pick a laptop/mobile part with the same or even previous generation Zen 2 core. To say Zen 3 requires more power for a single core as does the entire M1 is not at all correct.

Show me a Zen 3 part that requires less power for 1 core than the entire M1 does then. 

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So no it is wrong, and no performance and power scaling is not linear and we already know the mobile parts at significantly lower per core power are very very close to the desktop high power parts for performance in both single and multicore performance.

Literally posted a graph. And again show me proof.

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But yes lets just pick the worst case possible to make an incorrect point, happens ALL THE TIME.

 

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And FYI Apple is more than capable of also increasing the the power targets on the Firestorm cores just the same making performance per watt worse. Can we apply just a little bit more critical thinking. I would also not be surprised to see Apple do this on even more performance targeted desktop class devices, there is no reason Apple has to limit themselves to the current single core performance they have right now and they can achieve higher if they want to.

Do you actually read comments? Already mentioned that the M1 power target changed depending on device with the 10W MacBook and the 39W Mac Mini.

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19 minutes ago, leadeater said:

But yes lets just pick the worst case possible to make an incorrect point, happens ALL THE TIME.

You mean kinda like what you're doing now when you want to focus on the best case scenario to make a point?

 

The statement made previously in this thread is true in some cases, and false in some. It depends on which specific products you focus on and in what scenarios. The person who made that statement probably referred to the desktop parts. Now when you are trying to counter his claim you cite ultra-low power parts.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

People also conveniently leave out the fact M1 was specifically tailored for Apple's low power devices with specific MacOS operating system. That's like if AMD and Microsoft collaborated to create Windows 10 AMD Ryzen 5000 Edition that would be specifically tailored for Ryzen 5000 processors to deliver absolutely the best performance on those processors. And also all the developers would specifically optimize software for Ryzen 5000 on this special edition of Windows. That's the extent of Apple's M1 design and integration with the OS. Big Sur knows how to utilize high and low end cores since day 1. Good luck with Intel's high/low core designs as it'll take months if not years to really take off. Just look how long it took for Windows scheduler to catch up with Ryzen's unique CCX design. And that's just how identical cores communicate!

In what way is the M1 "specifically tailored for MacOS"? It's the other way around. Apple adapted (which probably didn't require that much work) MacOS to work on the M1, not the other way around.

What you're saying makes about as much sense as saying Threadripper was specifically designed for GNU/Linux, just because GNU/Linux was aware of the different CCX:s very early on (maybe since day 1?).

 

I think people dramatically overestimate how much "optimization" Apple does for their processors. They aren't sitting there writing the entire OS in assembly... There is no special "let's write MacOS for this particular processor and make it super fast" going on. We know this because MacOS is largely open source. It's almost entirely written in C, which is why it probably wasn't too much of a challenge to port it to ARM.

MacOS contains very little, if any, hardware specific optimizations. The code is very portable.

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8 hours ago, Spindel said:

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Adobe has announced that the latest version of Adobe Lightroom is now a native app for both Apple computers with the new M1 chip as well as Windows Arm platforms. The company says the app has been “rebuilt to take advantage of the newest performance and power efficiency benefits.”

 

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Great news for everyone (except x86 boys). I think Apple might have made Microsoft a big favor with the M1 (and subsequent AS chips), because I have a feeling it will not only be Adobe that will release versions for Windows on ARM as consequence of Apples move to AS. 

 

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https://petapixel.com/2020/12/08/adobe-releases-lightroom-for-apple-m1-and-windows-arm-adds-apple-proraw-support/

if a release of an single application is a news worthy event, proves support was lacking on day one.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

Show me a Zen 3 part that requires less power for 1 core than the entire M1 does then. 

 

6 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

Literally posted a graph. And again show me proof.

So Ryzen Mobile U and H products do not exist for you then?

 

6 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

Do you actually read comments? Already mentioned that the M1 power target changed depending on device with the 10W MacBook and the 39W Mac Mini.

Irrelevant because they courtesy you just gave Apple and M1 you did not do for Zen 3, you said Zen 3 requires more which is wrong. Zen 3 requires as much as AMD designs for the part they place it in.

 

I only take issue with the implication you are trying to imply, as if Zen 3 is actually very power hungry and will only ever be that and it is not possible to have Ryzen Mobile 5000 parts at these lower TDP targets also performing very well. Not as well as the M1, but that isn't the problem it's the precise thing you are imply with the comment you made.

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6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

You mean kinda like what you're doing now when you want to focus on the best case scenario to make a point?

I'm not focusing on best or worst case, that statement was wrong. You know it, I know it, move on.

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4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

So Ryzen Mobile U and H products do not exist for you then?

Show me how much power one Ryzen mobile core uses under load.

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Irrelevant because they courtesy you just gave Apple and M1 you did not do for Zen 3, you said Zen 3 requires more which is wrong. Zen 3 requires as much as AMD designs for the part they place it in.

Zen 3 loses to M1 in single threaded performance at a much higher TDP, the U chips get destroyed. How badly would matching the TDP go for them if they even could match it.

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I only take issue with the implication you are trying to imply, as if Zen 3 is actually very power hungry and will only ever be that and it is not possible to have Ryzen Mobile 5000 parts at these lower TDP targets also performing very well. Not as well as the M1, but that is the problem it's the price thing you are imply with the comment you made.

There's no Ryzen 5000 mobile parts out or even announced they might be at exactly the same power levels as the last gen.

Dirty Windows Peasants :P ?

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To be honest why do people want to compare the Apple M1 to desktop processors and comment on the low power draw? do people not understand they fit different use cases and needs?

 

desktops processors arnt designed for low power draw and optimized power life.

you pick processors that are designed for performance and lots of cores for multi tasking.

you comment how the M1 is more power efficient and single threaded performance is better??? huh?

 

can you not accept, that in the pc world we dont believe in one thing fits all magical device.

we pick the parts and components that suit our use case.

we have options we dont need to compromise on trade offs we can select what suits our needs.

 

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3 minutes ago, tech.guru said:

To be honest why do people want to compare the Apple M1 to desktop processors and comment on the low power draw?

do they not release they fill different use cases and needs?

 

desktops processors arnt designed for low power draw and optimized power life.

you pick processors that are designed for performance and lots of cores for multi tasking.

you comment how power efficient is compared to these processors??? huh?

 

can you not accept, that in the pc world we dont believe in one thing fits all magical device.

we pick the parts and components that suit our use case. we have options we dont need to compromise on trade offs we can select what suits our needs.

 

It's more people getting excited for the desktop class chips that will be coming. If Apple is spanking AMD and intel in single thread performance at a quarter or a fifth of the power draw what will a 16 core that's allowed 100W do?  Remember the 3300X which is AMDs latest quad core desktop chip scores 6754 on R23 MC and the M1 with 4 higher performance 4 low which SMT should overcompensate for anyway scores 7760 whilst using 1/3 of the power.

Dirty Windows Peasants :P ?

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4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's so cringy everyone dismissing x86 just because M1 works in Apple's specific use case. Weren't we just few months ago raving around monstrous compute powerhouses called Ryzen 5000 series? Funny...

This is how tech progress should be. The new stuff should be better than new stuff (ahem... intel). However, in this case, for now anyways, m1 is looking really good for mobile devices. I'm looking forward to the m2 or w/e comes next. I'd like to get a macbook that supports 32GB of ram for my needs.

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12 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I'm not focusing on best or worst case, that statement was wrong. You know it, I know it, move on.

Yes you are.

Someone made a comment.

You said that comment was false and are now citing ultra-low power Zen chips as a reason for why that comment is false, even though the comment is true when applied to the high performance desktop parts.

 

The statement ("4 M1 cores uses less power than a single zen core) is true for some products, and false for some. Case in point, if you compare the M1 to the 5950X then it is true. Fully load four of the M1 cores and it will still use less power than if you were to load a single core on the 5950X. If you compare the M1 to for example the 4800U then the statement is false. A single core on the 4800U will not use more power than all four cores on the M1.

You can't say a statement is completely false just because it doesn't apply to all products in a product stack. If it applies to some products then it is at the very least partialy true.

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1 minute ago, Lord Vile said:

There's no Ryzen 5000 mobile parts out or even announced they might be at exactly the same power levels as the last gen.

And they likely will be the same power targets, 15W package power (U series) and 35W/45W package power (HS & H series) .

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