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7 hours ago, JayR said:

Could you link me to a 64 gb kit?

I'm trying to return the one I have, just need to know what to get before I return it.

 

Thank you 

Here's one that will be approximately one half step down from the absolute best RAM you can get, but has the benefit of actually being in stock.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374091

 

If you're wanting to save a few bucks, this is one step down...

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232914

 

If you're looking to save a little more, this should be very similar to the previous set.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232900

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

The UK has a more powerful power adapter.

The UK does not have VESA HDR400 certification like the other two. (despite appearing to use the exact same panel)

The UL supports automatic color calibration if you have the tool, whereas the others do not support the tool but are calibrated from the factory.

 

All else appears to be identical between the 3 monitors. My guess is that the UK was the first one they made, then they put a better PSU in it for the other two which allowed it to meet the VESA HDR400 spec, and the UL just had support for the color calibration tool baked in.

Alright great. I don't really understand what you mean by automatic color calibration tool, is it a software that I would use to calibrate the colors for the UL model?

 

Wod that mean that the UL model doesn't come calibrated from factory and you have to use a tool?

 

Would it be beneficial to get the UL and calibrate it myself over the UN model just having factory calibrations?

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, JayR said:

Alright great. I don't really understand what you mean by automatic color calibration tool, is it a software that I would use to calibrate the colors for the UL model?

No, it's a hardware tool that you strap to the screen to test the actual output colors, and adjust the screen color profile as needed to get actually correct color output.

5 hours ago, JayR said:

Wod that mean that the UL model doesn't come calibrated from factory and you have to use a tool?

No, they are all calibrated from the factory, but calibration fades over time, and designers that need absolute perfect color representation would use the tool to correct the calibration regularly.

5 hours ago, JayR said:

Would it be beneficial to get the UL and calibrate it myself over the UN model just having factory calibrations?

Only if you want to both spend more money on the calibration tool, and are in need or want of higher color accuracy. (which if used for gaming, you'll never notice or need the difference)

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10 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

No, it's a hardware tool that you strap to the screen to test the actual output colors, and adjust the screen color profile as needed to get actually correct color output.

No, they are all calibrated from the factory, but calibration fades over time, and designers that need absolute perfect color representation would use the tool to correct the calibration regularly.

Only if you want to both spend more money on the calibration tool, and are in need or want of higher color accuracy. (which if used for gaming, you'll never notice or need the difference)

What monitor would you get out of those three?

 

The UL is $420 on amazon

The UN is $450 on amazon

The UK is $450 on amazon

 

You said that the color fades over years, so would it be worth getting the UL. If needed I could get the calibration tool to correct the colors when they start to fade?

 

I assume it will take a years maybe for the colors to fade, even if you are looking for perfect color representation.

 

And just for basic design and gaming I shouldn't even notice anything, like you said.

 

If you have any recommendations of 4k 27" monitors that are around the same price, please recommend them, but these are the best ones I could find.

 

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10 hours ago, JayR said:

What monitor would you get out of those three?

 

The UL is $420 on amazon

The UN is $450 on amazon

The UK is $450 on amazon

The UL is $30 cheaper for essentially the same thing as the other two, plus the support for the color calibration tool... Do you really need me to say anything more?

10 hours ago, JayR said:

You said that the color fades over years, so would it be worth getting the UL. If needed I could get the calibration tool to correct the colors when they start to fade?

Unless you're planning to use it for professional use that requires extreme color accuracy, ignore color calibration options. Also, why are you looking for excuses to spend more on less features?

10 hours ago, JayR said:

I assume it will take a years maybe for the colors to fade, even if you are looking for perfect color representation.

For professional use that needs color accuracy, 3 months. For a normal user, 10+ years.

10 hours ago, JayR said:

And just for basic design and gaming I shouldn't even notice anything, like you said.

External appearance between them all is identical.

10 hours ago, JayR said:

If you have any recommendations of 4k 27" monitors that are around the same price, please recommend them, but these are the best ones I could find.

Honestly, I wouldn't recommend 4k at 27". 1440p is the better choice, as you can get high refresh, and you're highly unlikely to be able to notice the difference in actual gameplay. (or even most professional workloads)

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824475097 (for 144Hz screen)

https://www.newegg.com/acer-v277u-27-qhd/p/N82E16824011270?Item=N82E16824011270 (if you want to save money, and don't mind 75Hz)

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1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

Unless you're planning to use it for professional use that requires extreme color accuracy, ignore color calibration options. Also, why are you looking for excuses to spend more on less features?

So the UL is the best option? Would make the most sense.

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Honestly, I wouldn't recommend 4k at 27". 1440p is the better choice, as you can get high refresh, and you're highly unlikely to be able to notice the difference in actual gameplay. (or even most professional workloads)

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824475097 (for 144Hz screen)

https://www.newegg.com/acer-v277u-27-qhd/p/N82E16824011270?Item=N82E16824011270 (if you want to save money, and don't mind 75Hz)

Can you not tell a difference fr 2k to 4k?

I'm more looking for workloads for these two monitors and the 850 series was the best I could find in 4k. 

 

I was planning on getting a lg g950 for gaming when they restock them on Amazon or wait tell next year when more 4k 144hz are mass produced and cheaper.

 

That MSI monitor doesn't have the best reviews

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1 hour ago, JayR said:

So the UL is the best option? Would make the most sense.

Most likely, yes.

1 hour ago, JayR said:

Can you not tell a difference fr 2k to 4k?

Unless you're practically mashing your face against the screen, it's going to be hard to tell.

1 hour ago, JayR said:

That MSI monitor doesn't have the best reviews

There are only 3 reviews of the monitor, the rest are ratings with no way of knowing if the person rating it actually bought the monitor at all. 2 of the reviews ar 5-eggs, and all of the third's issues would've been solved if he'd downloaded the control software and color profile from MSI's website.

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15 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Unless you're practically mashing your face against the screen, it's going to be hard to tell.

Lol okay

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There are only 3 reviews of the monitor, the rest are ratings with no way of knowing if the person rating it actually bought the monitor at all. 2 of the reviews ar 5-eggs, and all of the third's issues would've been solved if he'd downloaded the control software and color profile from MSI's website.

So the msi would be your top pick at 2k for gaming?

 

My only question before buying two of those monitors is, is there a software you can download to calibrate the colors or do you need that special tool? And is it difficult to do?

 

I'm watching this video review on youtube around the 14:45 mark he talks about gama and how it's incorrect. 

Any thoughts on that?

 

https://youtu.be/i3X3yFh0-gE

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On 12/17/2020 at 11:06 PM, JayR said:

So the msi would be your top pick at 2k for gaming?

Not my top pick. My top pick would be a curved VA panel from Samsung. (I prefer the better blacks, and IPS has rather grey blacks in a dark room, kinda like TN)

On 12/17/2020 at 11:06 PM, JayR said:

My only question before buying two of those monitors is, is there a software you can download to calibrate the colors or do you need that special tool? And is it difficult to do?

It requires an external tool, but is easy to do.

On 12/17/2020 at 11:06 PM, JayR said:

I'm watching this video review on youtube around the 14:45 mark he talks about gama and how it's incorrect. 

Any thoughts on that?

He probably didn't download the color profile from MSI's website. (listed as a driver) Most people just plug-and-play their monitor, so most monitors only have the manual for download, but MSI includes color profiles for the monitors. These profiles correct the gamma and slight oversaturation on the monitors. It's also an extremely minor difference if you're not using it for work that requires extreme color accuracy.

On 12/18/2020 at 12:27 AM, JayR said:

$750 ($1500 for 2) for a 1440p monitor that only does 240Hz and HDR600? That's a bit expensive. I'd go for a CHG70 over that any day. (144Hz, but unless you're actually making money in e-sports, there's no real utility going above 120Hz as 99.9% of games will never get that high of refresh rate at 1440p)

 

Considering you're planning on two 1440p monitors, I'd suggest a CRG9 ultrawide. Same resolution as 2x1440p, but lower price, ($1100) and [the significantly better] HDR1000. https://www.newegg.com/matte-black-samsung-crg9-series-c49rg90s-49/p/N82E16824022762 (bonus points for it being in-stock right now)

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On 12/18/2020 at 11:37 PM, BTGbullseye said:

Considering you're planning on two 1440p monitors, I'd suggest a CRG9 ultrawide. Same resolution as 2x1440p, but lower price, ($1100) and [the significantly better] HDR1000. https://www.newegg.com/matte-black-samsung-crg9-series-c49rg90s-49/p/N82E16824022762 (bonus points for it being in-stock right now)

Yeah that's a great monitor. I just can't game on such a big screen. Would be great for a workstation though.

 

Im only getting one Alienware 27 Gaming Monitor - AW2721D (Latest Model) - 240H for my main gaming monitor.

I would like a secondary monitor for my workstation use, a 27" Dell  specifically. 

Something that give a great color calibration out of the box from factory. Looking for good display HDR

I've heard that 4K monitors don't go well with 1440p monitors atm, due to some resizing display issues with windows. 

If that's not the case then a 4k monitor I think would be my best choice for a workstation screen, I just need advice in what to choice.

Budget is $700.

 

 

I'd prefer something more then 60hz, but if not then I'm fine with that, only because it's only for my workstation usage.

 

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3 hours ago, JayR said:

Yeah that's a great monitor. I just can't game on such a big screen. Would be great for a workstation though.

Just like with a regular dual 1440p, run the games at regular 1440p resolution on half the screen area. Wouldn't be tough to do.

3 hours ago, JayR said:

Im only getting one Alienware 27 Gaming Monitor - AW2721D (Latest Model) - 240H for my main gaming monitor.

I would recommend not paying so much for a 240Hz model at this time, unless you're doing ultra-competitive e-sports titles as your primary gaming. Anything 120Hz or higher would satisfy your needs if not doing those games. (other than esports, very few games can get to those extreme framerates on anything less than very high-end gaming rigs)

 

As I already mentioned, a CHG70 monitor would probably be your best bet.

https://www.newegg.com/dark-blue-black-samsung-chg70-series-c32hg70-31-5/p/N82E16824025164 (32" version)

Or maybe even an Odyssey G7...

https://www.newegg.com/black-samsung-odyssey-g7-lc27g75tqsnxza-27/p/N82E16824022815 ($630)

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11 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

As I already mentioned, a CHG70 monitor would probably be your best bet.

https://www.newegg.com/dark-blue-black-samsung-chg70-series-c32hg70-31-5/p/N82E16824025164 (32" version)

Or maybe even an Odyssey G7...

https://www.newegg.com/black-samsung-odyssey-g7-lc27g75tqsnxza-27/p/N82E16824022815 ($630)

I don't really like curved monitors. The Dell is only $100 more then the g7 right now being that it's $600 off the retail price. 

 

I just need a workstation monitor on the side that's also a  27" Dell monitor. Something that would give me the best color calibration and the top of the line HDR display. 

 

If rescaling a 4k monitor to a 1440p monitors isn't still a issue I'd much rather get a 4k dell.

 

Thanks 😊

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17 hours ago, JayR said:

I don't really like curved monitors.

I suggest them because they are VA panels, which have superior contrast. (in a dark room, the difference between black and white on a VA with only HDR400 or less is equivalent to an HDR1000 IPS in any illumination) IPS is really only better for viewing angles and response times, and not by a significant margin.

 

17 hours ago, JayR said:

The Dell is only $100 more then the g7 right now being that it's $600 off the retail price. 

 

I just need a workstation monitor on the side that's also a  27" Dell monitor. Something that would give me the best color calibration and the top of the line HDR display. 

 

If rescaling a 4k monitor to a 1440p monitors isn't still a issue I'd much rather get a 4k dell.

It's all up to you. I'm not holding a gun to your head... Yet...😶

17 hours ago, JayR said:

Thanks 😊

Any time my dude.

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18 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

I suggest them because they are VA panels, which have superior contrast. (in a dark room, the difference between black and white on a VA with only HDR400 or less is equivalent to an HDR1000 IPS in any illumination) IPS is really only better for viewing angles and response times, and not by a significant margin.

 

It's all up to you. I'm not holding a gun to your head... Yet...😶

Any time my dude.

Thoughts on a 4k monitor and resizing issues?

 

Would it cause issues pairing the LG 4k UL monitor with the 1440p dell monitor?

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8 hours ago, JayR said:

Thoughts on a 4k monitor and resizing issues?

Depends on the GPU... 4k generally works better with 1080p though.

8 hours ago, JayR said:

Would it cause issues pairing the LG 4k UL monitor with the 1440p dell monitor?

It might. Can't say for certain as I'm a 1080p single-monitor guy right now.

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12 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Depends on the GPU... 4k generally works better with 1080p though.

It might. Can't say for certain as I'm a 1080p single-monitor guy right now.

Alright cool decided to go with

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08LR145ZY/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Wish I got this one a day ago i would have saved a extra $150 🥲

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07KGR784M/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Hopefully my second pick was good. I did do some research on it for a while. 

 

Might get a 4k monitor in the future to see if it's rescale well with the other two.

 

Happy holidays man!

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