After a bad 2020, is Intel finished?

[Descargo81]

Hammered by AMD on the x86 front and abandoned by Apple for M1, is this the beginning of the end for Intel? Can they come back? 

[svmlegacy]

 

looks like they're doing pretty well.

[DrMacintosh]

AMD may be the leader in the industry right now, but Intel still has the upper hand in terms of available stock. You can get a Core i3 10100 for $99 whereas the AMD offerings at that price range are far inferior because all the cheap AMD processors are sold out or price inflated bc of high demand. 

 

AMD will continue to chip away at Intels profits as long as they can keep up stock. At the moment though, that's a bit difficult. Also Intel still obliterates AMD in the laptop market which is the majority of PC sales anyway, so...

[Downkey]

Even if Intel was on a horrible track, they probably would last 5 more years minimum. 

[dizmo]

I don't think you have any idea how big Intel actually is.

Intel revenue: $71.9 billion

AMD revenue: $6.48 billion

 

Intel assets: $136.5 billion

AMD assets: $6.03 billion

 

Also consider how long AMD limped along with very little revenue. Intel isn't going anywhere for decades.

[jones177]

This is not the first time that AMD has had better CPUs. In the early 2000s I was using all AMD but by 2008 I was back using all Intel. 

My last two AMDs were an Athlon 64 4000+ in 2006 and an Opteron 185 in 2008.

 

Unless Intel can pull a rabbit out of a hat, my next CPU purchase will be AMD.  

[PlayStation 2]

People forget just how tiny AMD is compared to Intel. AMD's most lucrative contracts are with Microsoft and Sony for their consoles. Intel has government contracts, things that'll pay for as long as they can convince the governments to let them be a contractor. 

Intel CPUs of today aren't like what the Pentium 4s were either. They're still wholly competitive but some might not be priced the best compared to Ryzen. That's still a drop in the bucket.

Intel ain't hurting.

[TargetDron3]

Intel is fine. What happens in the enthusiast market is way different than the regular channel. Most businesses opt for Intel based computers. It's name recognition. 

If anything, this dip will force them to innovate to get the crown back. 

[Elisis]

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

AMD may be the leader in the industry right now

Well, by definition they're not. Market share is still, for the moment, still very much on Intel's side.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

as if AMD can provide enough chips for the datacentre, like nevermind consumers, Xeon is massive for Intel. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

also the M1 is very good, but there are plenty of people who would never want to own a Mac. 

[DrMacintosh]

14 minutes ago, Elisis said:

Well, by definition they're not. Market share is still, for the moment, still very much on Intel's side.

There are multiple ways to interpret being an industry leader. AMD leads Intel in performance. That's a fact, and as such Intel is responding to AMDs movements, regardless of market share.  

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

There are multiple ways to interpret being an industry leader. AMD leads Intel in performance. That's a fact, and as such Intel is responding to AMDs movements, regardless of market share.  

Intel leads AMD in support, quantity they can produce, validation (for datacenters mostly), partners... like, they lead in anything except performance. 

 

AMD can brag about having a powerful cpu as much as they want but if you don't have the partners or the ability to make enough of them it's no use. 

[TetraSky]

If AMD managed to survive on scraps for a decade, I'm sure Intel can manage to handle it for a year or two.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Ashley said:

Intel leads AMD in support, quantity they can produce, validation (for datacenters mostly), partners... like, they lead in anything except performance. 

Everything said there was true. However that does not change what I said. AMD is still the market leader right now for consumer processors. 

[WhitetailAni]

Intel makes Optane. So even if they go out of business on processors, they will still have their fancy "3D Xpoint" stuff to sell to you to use with IRST with their no-longer-in-production 7th gen or newer processors.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Everything said there was true. However that does not change what I said. AMD is still the market leader right now for consumer processors. 

no they aren't. if you want a laptop for example what do you buy? an intel laptop (which gives you much much more choice of models btw) or an AMD laptop which severely limits your choice of model, has weird issues with for exmaple virtualization because AMD simply can't polish their chips like intel can...

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Ashley said:

no they aren't. if you want a laptop for example what do you buy?

Me? I buy a MacBook, which at this point have neither AMD or Intel processors. I don't really see how fixating on the laptop market strengthens your argument. You're avoiding acknowledging the fact that AMD does have the performance crown in the desktop market. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Me? I buy a MacBook, which at this point have neither AMD or Intel processors. I don't really see how fixating on the laptop market strengthens your argument. You're avoiding acknowledging the fact that AMD does have the performance crown in the desktop market. 

didn't i literally say that AMD has the performance crown? 

 

also i'm focusing on laptops because that's what most people buy. desktops are an afterthought and even in spaces were desktops are still very common like the enterprise, an office for example, intel will be leading there because they have partners in that space. 

 

AMD has nothing if you take away their fanboys and their performance crown. there's no way just being slightly faster can make them actually compete and make intel at risk of losing signigicant marketshare. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

6 hours ago, Descargo81 said:

Hammered by AMD on the x86 front and abandoned by Apple for M1, is this the beginning of the end for Intel? Can they come back? 

If you want the answer, search this forum for CPU-related posts from 2016, 2015, 2014 (how old is this forum? ), in particular those debating the death of AMD.

[Dedayog]

3 hours ago, Descargo81 said:

Hammered by AMD on the x86 front and abandoned by Apple for M1, is this the beginning of the end for Intel? Can they come back? 

No, they'll be bankrupt by January 31, 2021.

 

/s

 

Any minute bit of research or looking at the industry would answer this for you.

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, Ashley said:

didn't i literally say that AMD has the performance crown? 

No, you didn't. 

 

5 minutes ago, Ashley said:

there's no way just being slightly faster can make them actually compete and make intel at risk of losing signigicant marketshare. 

But they are competing. But they are taking away Intel's market share. But AMD is building corporate partners. 

 

I just don't understand the justifications for your position. They don't add up to me. 

[Elisis]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

But they are competing. But they are taking away Intel's market share.

And? Intel still happens to be more present. Intel happens to have the higher market share, still. It's hardly a difficult concept to grasp.

[tech.guru]

3 hours ago, Descargo81 said:

Hammered by AMD on the x86 front and abandoned by Apple for M1, is this the beginning of the end for Intel? Can they come back? 

false narrative, intel has a diverse product stack and while they didnt have a good year.

they arnt going bankrupt anytime soon.

 

they have many products from wireless, storage and networking that are growing and there processors are still profitable even if consumer sales are down.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

No, you didn't. 

 

22 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Intel leads AMD in support, <snip> like, they lead in anything except performance. 

if i say that Intel leads in anything except performance, that means i am saying AMD leads in performance. 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

But they are competing. But they are taking away Intel's market share. But AMD is building corporate partners. 

they aren't competing yet. where are they taking marketshare and by how much. building aka not done yet, therefore not competing yet.