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I think a better question is 'how do I fix my throttling CPU'. 

 

Run the laptop elevated off the table for better airflow. Open up the laptop and repaste the GPU. Apply an undervolt with Intel XTU. Sometimes manufacturers lock this out through BIOS updates (mine did), in which case, roll back. 

 

If you've repasted and applied the maximum stable undervolt, and it's STILL throttling, run the fans at 100% when you game. You could also invest in a stand that has fans built in to it.

I m talking about this laptop https://altex.ro/laptop-gaming-msi-gf63-thin-10scsr-802xro-intel-core-i7-10750h-pana-la-5-0ghz-15-6-full-hd-8gb-ssd-512gb-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1650ti-max-q-4gb-free-dos-negru/cpd/LAP10SCSR802XRO/

My friend just bought it. I changed his powerplan, gpu settings so games use the nvidia gpu everything on performance basically, his cpu boosts fine until it thermal throttles ( 4.5 all core to 3.2 when throttling ). Am i missing something?

Gta 5 runs at 60 fps on the lowest settings 1080p and in my opinion that s not normal ( I had 80-90 fps on a g4560/1060 3gb). His temps are bad though, i didn t check the gpu temps, clocks etc but his cpu reaches 96 C

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well overheating is the problem. GTA V is cpu intensive and when the cpu throttles it makes the fps much worse than GPU overheat would. Also 1650 ti is not the strongest gpu.

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I think a better question is 'how do I fix my throttling CPU'. 

 

Run the laptop elevated off the table for better airflow. Open up the laptop and repaste the GPU. Apply an undervolt with Intel XTU. Sometimes manufacturers lock this out through BIOS updates (mine did), in which case, roll back. 

 

If you've repasted and applied the maximum stable undervolt, and it's STILL throttling, run the fans at 100% when you game. You could also invest in a stand that has fans built in to it.

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8 minutes ago, Benji said:

Given the fact that the cooler has to be up to snuff in the first place for that to make sense, I wouldn't recommend it. It is a thin and light with a 70+ Watts CPU, the cooler just can't handle it. It isn't per say overheating because it isn't capable of running normal thermals in the first place. There isn't a single thin-and-light on the planet that can fully run an octa-core H-CPU. Why would it be different in this case? Opening it and replacing the thermal paste with something better? Definitely. Undervolting? Wouldn't really recommend it, but why not? Buying something that just uselessly blows air that the system can't use at the bottom of the case? Completely useless in my opinion.

Remind me how a 10750H is 70 watts? Pretty sure it's 45. Also, undervolting does help, most mobile CPUs will run stably at the same frequencies with as much as -.150

 

Laptops don't just dissipate heat through their heatpipes but also through the chasis, which is why cooling that can help... or taking off the back panel if you're really radical, but IMO that's too far.

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Thank you all.  I ll tell my friend too so he knows nothing is wrong with it.

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7 hours ago, YoungWheels said:

Thank you all.  I ll tell my friend too so he knows nothing is wrong with it.

I didn't say that. It's entirely possible that the CPU heatsink is bent and won't sit flush on the die. This is unbelievably common with laptops, and a good tell is when 1 or 2 cores are running way hotter than the others. I have this problem on my Alienware 13R3, where 1 out of 4 cores runs 8-10 degrees hotter, although with my undervolt it still keeps max turbo without throttling.

 

Balancing a heatsink is, well, very difficult. I hope that's not it.

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9 hours ago, Benji said:

Pretty much sure that the expected Turbo Boost goes about double that. You can really think that he can have these clock speeds at 45W? Dream on. Not to mention that there is a test for this exact same laptop with a quad-core Core i5-9300H on Notebookcheck. When that thing uses its full boost it actually consumes "just" 45 Watts. And guess what the maximum temperature during that was? Exactly, 90+°C. And given the fact that, at even 25W, it still goes up to mid-70°, this CPU at 3.2 GHz WILL run at the 45W limit all the time and thus you can't get it below 90°C under a normal load with that CPU.

And another reminder: Basically no CPU has a realistic TDP, the TDP of basically every chip gets over their rated limit, at least for some amount of time.

The all-core boost on a 10750H is only rated for 4.3, and in practice usually hovers at 4.1 to 4.2 under a sustained load. That's... Completely doable for a 45w chip?

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Just look at the cooling. Only one fan (when literally every other gaming laptop in the market has two). No wonder it is thermal throttling/overheating.

 

You can try undervolting and repasting, but I doubt it will do much, since the root cause of the issue is the terrible cooling system.

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