Is 5900x enough ?If not is 5950x enough?

[GodDoesGood]

i want to game and record not stream on one single pc using x264 medium .Pls i dont want to use nvenc or amd equivalent.4k x264 medium .I would be playing all latest big games.So consider decent cpu utilization..Pls answer if u really know stuff .Do not answer due to hype of these cpus.My gpu would be either 3080 or 6800xt.I do not want to waste money but also want to fulfill the purpose so wanna spend if only required.

Thanks 

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

13 minutes ago, GodDoesGood said:

i want to game and record not stream on one single pc using x264 medium .Pls i dont want to use nvenc or amd equivalent.4k x264 medium .I would be playing all latest big games.So consider decent cpu utilization..Pls answer if u really know stuff .Do not answer due to hype of these cpus.My gpu would be either 3080 or 6800xt.I do not want to waste money but also want to fulfill the purpose so wanna spend if only required.

Thanks 

 

Firstly, there is no reason NOT to use NVENC if you are getting a 3080.  Its been comparable to Medium x264 in quality since the 2000 series.

Even so, a 5900x is probably more than enough, overkill even for any current game.

[AlwaysFSX]

Use NVENC, trust me, you're welcome. (Seriously, 4k requires a pretty decent bit rate and doing that on the CPU is insane).

 

But if you're absolutely set on using your CPU for encoding, get as many cores as you can, it should scale fairly well.

[GodDoesGood]

1 minute ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Firstly, there is no reason NOT to use NVENC if you are getting a 3080.  Its been comparable to Medium x264 in quality since the 2000 series.

Even so, a 5900x is probably more than enough, overkill even for any current game.

nvenc is comparable to x264 fast not medium i compared and tested.

[AlwaysFSX]

1 minute ago, GodDoesGood said:

nvenc is comparable to x264 fast not medium i compared and tested.

I think you might need to run some of those tests again because it absolutely is as good as 264 medium.

[GodDoesGood]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Use NVENC, trust me, you're welcome. (Seriously, 4k requires a pretty decent bit rate and doing that on the CPU is insane).

 

But if you're absolutely set on using your CPU for encoding, get as many cores as you can, it should scale fairly well.

x264 medium is better than nvenc  .i want to get highest quality possible for recordings.i also read x264 medium requires less bitrate than nvenc due to compression so it would help. 

[AlwaysFSX]

Just now, GodDoesGood said:

x264 medium is better than nvenc  .i want to get highest quality possible for recordings.i also read x264 medium requires less bitrate than nvenc due to compression so it would help. 

My eyes aren't bad at all and I can't see a discernible difference between the two. Going past that, any recording you do is going to be compressed in to oblivion uploaded on the internet (if your goal is anything along the lines of YouTube), trying to eek out minor differences in recording quality will be lost regardless. NVENC doesn't need a higher bitrate compared to using x264 anymore either. Maybe on older 700 series cards? But now, you don't need to run something absurdly high. The encoding hardware is that good.

[Moonzy]

18 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Firstly, there is no reason NOT to use NVENC if you are getting a 3080.

 

16 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Use NVENC, trust me, you're welcome.

if OP doesn't wanna use the superior encoder, sure, let him be

 

15 minutes ago, GodDoesGood said:

nvenc is comparable to x264 fast not medium i compared and tested.

which nvenc? how did u test it?

NVENC Turing (20 series and up, excluding 1650 which is NVENC volta) is better than x264 medium

while older NVENC is about x264 medium(?)

 

what's the intended resolution and framerate? bitrate? games genre?

 

edit: i own a 3900x and 2070S

while playing MHW, i tried to encode my stream by x264 medium and immediately started dropping frames, so i have to set to fast preset

1440p60, btw

nvenc handles it just fine

 

so u may need to consider 5950x, if you wanna do all on one machine with x264, maybe even threadripper

[GodDoesGood]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

My eyes aren't bad at all and I can't see a discernible difference between the two. Going past that, any recording you do is going to be compressed in to oblivion uploaded on the internet (if your goal is anything along the lines of YouTube), trying to eek out minor differences in recording quality will be lost regardless. NVENC doesn't need a higher bitrate compared to using x264 anymore either. Maybe on older 700 series cards? But now, you don't need to run something absurdly high. The encoding hardware is that good.

 

watch 12000kbs settings on from 3.21 .I want to upload as high quality as RGR29 using one pc.If i bought 6800xt due to vram than i would be limited to vce .amd have lower limit on bit rate.so i would be trapped.

[Moonzy]

5 minutes ago, GodDoesGood said:

can u tell me what u mean by mhw.

monster hunter world, a AAA game from... 2018?

 

5 minutes ago, GodDoesGood said:

Will 5950x be enough

depends on what you're doing, i suppose

never fiddled around with x264 much due to the dropping frames

 

7 minutes ago, GodDoesGood said:

watch from 3.21 difference from even compressed youtube video.i want to play the big aaa games like watch dogs legion assassin creed valhalla etc

yea i can see the difference (only if i pause, tbh)

the video i linked uses the same RAW footage to compare, which is a more fair comparison

 

and 12Mbit is kinda a weird bitrate to encode at since twitch max is 6000, or 8000kbps, maybe youtube?

for local recording, just crank it to 50mbit and the difference is really minimal

[GodDoesGood]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

monster hunter world, a AAA game from... 2018?

 

depends on what you're doing, i suppose

never fiddled around with x264 much due to the dropping frames

 

yea i can see the difference (only if i pause, tbh)

the video i linked uses the same RAW footage to compare, which is a more fair comparison

 

and 12Mbit is kinda a weird bitrate to encode at since twitch max is 6000, or 8000kbps, maybe youtube?

for local recording, just crank it to 50mbit and the difference is really minimal

can u tell me if there are two cases like x264 medium bitrate 20000 and x264 medium bitrate 30000 would there be a difference in cpu utilization.i dont know the mechanics well?

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, GodDoesGood said:

can u tell me if there are two cases like x264 medium bitrate 20000 and x264 medium bitrate 30000 would there be a difference in cpu utilization.i dont know the mechanics well?

im not that familiar with encoders, maybe wait for other's insights

 

i think higher bitrate = lower cpu usage, but i could be wrong

[GodDoesGood]

2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

im not that familiar with encoders, maybe wait for other's insights

 

i think higher bitrate = lower cpu usage, but i could be wrong

see the video u send me at 16.00 quality difference between x264 slow and nvenc .now since slow is not that better than medium u can compare how on same rate there are differences .that guys use of netflix tester is wrong and misguiding .i know he is pretty famous but see for your self in so many cases i showed u there were decent differences.

[Aereldor]

Yes

[Stahlmann]

5 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Yes

^ That's basically the short version.

 

 

Afaik a 5800X or maybe even a 5600X would probably be equally as capable in these tasks. I don't see 16 cores helping you in any of this. Got some money that needs to be burned? As you're playing in 4K the CPU plays only a very small role anyway.

 

You're basically asking if the best desktop CPU available is enough...

[ServantOfGod]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

Yes

I see sometimes cpu single core usage spike to 95 percent for a second in watch dogs legion in online benchmarks of 5800x .so 5950x being same zen 3 chip is there something i need to worry about?

[Stahlmann]

1 minute ago, ServantOfGod said:

I see sometimes cpu single core usage spike to 95 percent for a second in watch dogs legion in online benchmarks of 5800x .so 5950x being same zen 3 chip is there something i need to worry about?

No.

[ServantOfGod]

2 minutes ago, Noah0302 said:

Is *Insert best possible desktop part here* enough for *insert usecase here*?

no there exist threadripper if u dont know

[FloRolf]

I mean, you can try getting a better one but I doubt you'll find any. 

[ServantOfGod]

5 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Afaik a 5800X or maybe even a 5600X would probably be equally as capable in these tasks. I don't see 16 cores helping you in any of this. Got some money that needs to be burned? As you're playing in 4K the CPU plays only a very small role anyway.

5900x is probably just enough for 1440p let alone 4k.i know higher res and cpu utilization thing but cpu has to process more while recording

[Ankh Tech]

2 minutes ago, ServantOfGod said:

no there exist threadripper if u dont know

threadripper is for insane high end desktops, for mainstream, the 5950x is the top

5 minutes ago, ServantOfGod said:

I see sometimes cpu single core usage spike to 95 percent for a second in watch dogs legion in online benchmarks of 5800x .so 5950x being same zen 3 chip is there something i need to worry about?

that is because of 8 cores, not because of zen 3, more cores more power, the 5900x is fine

[Noah0302]

6 minutes ago, ServantOfGod said:

no there exist threadripper if u dont know

That would be an HEDT part, not a desktop one

[ServantOfGod]

Just now, Noah0302 said:

That would be an HEDT part, not a desktop one

it is still a cpu thats all thats matter u can use it for pc if u want .unnecessary argument

[AlwaysFSX]

1 hour ago, GodDoesGood said:

 

watch 12000kbs settings on from 3.21 .I want to upload as high quality as RGR29 using one pc.If i bought 6800xt due to vram than i would be limited to vce .amd have lower limit on bit rate.so i would be trapped.

Enabling Psycho Visual Tuning will do that and fuzz out some details, I leave it off for a reason, my records turn out better. Three other things about that video:

-The rest of the examples seem to show NVENC performing the same as x264

 

-Why are they using such a low bitrate for 1440p, in the case of 3k and 6k. You wouldn't do that in the first place. You'd either downscale to raise the bitrate. Low bitrate + high resolution =/= good quality.

 

-At 4:10 you can notice hitching in the x264 encoder whereas you don't have that with NVENC, and this is purely a CPU load, there was no game running in the background because they were recording a raw video. Add in a game load and your performance will go down.

 

--Again, if you're ADAMANT about using x264, get whatever fits your budget with the most cores.--

 

But realistically you'd be using NVENC because the quality difference in recordings is negligible and I say this after doing many days of testing bit rates, encoders, and rescaling filters.

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

i think higher bitrate = lower cpu usage, but i could be wrong

Not the way it works. Bitrate is directly linked to the quality of video, so the encoder is spending as much time as it's allowed trying to generate the least noisy image. More bitrate means it's going to try to reach that target. If you have a lower bitrate, once it hits the size for the image, it stops. (Rough explanation)

[ServantOfGod]

5 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Enabling Psycho Visual Tuning will do that and fuzz out some details, I leave it off for a reason, my records turn out better. Three other things about that video:

-The rest of the examples seem to show NVENC performing the same as x264

 

-Why are they using such a low bitrate for 1440p, in the case of 3k and 6k. You wouldn't do that in the first place. You'd either downscale to raise the bitrate. Low bitrate + high resolution =/= good quality.

 

-At 4:10 you can notice hitching in the x264 encoder whereas you don't have that with NVENC, and this is purely a CPU load, there was no game running in the background because they were recording a raw video. Add in a game load and your performance will go down.

 

--Again, if you're ADAMANT about using x264, get whatever fits your budget with the most cores.--

 

But realistically you'd be using NVENC because the quality difference in recordings is negligible and I say this after doing many days of testing bit rates, encoders, and rescaling filters.

Not the way it works. Bitrate is directly linked to the quality of video, so the encoder is spending as much time as it's allowed trying to generate the least noisy image. More bitrate means it's going to try to reach that target. If you have a lower bitrate, once it hits the size for the image, it stops. (Rough explanation)

if i choose rx 6800xt then what