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If you have a router or cable modem or something from your ISP,  that router or cable modem will automatically assign IP addresses to the devices using DHCP

In your first post, you're listing an IP address 169.254. ... that's an Internet / public IP address, not a local network / private address.  That computer should have a local IP address as well. 

If you connect that pc to the router or cable modem or whatever the ISP gives you, that means the device you have from ISP doesn't have any DHCP functions and just gives an Internet IP to the first network card connected to it, so that PC only gets an internet address.

 

In this case, you would want a router instead of a switch, so that the router will receive the Internet IP from the ISP device, and then give local network / private IPs to each device through DHCP.

 

As for those private IP addresses, if you have less than around 250 computers in a local network, you can use subnet mask 255.255.255.0 on all computers you want in that network, that means only the last number in your IP addresses will change, everything else must be the same.

So

10.0.0. x 

172.16.0.x

192.168.0.x where x  is between 1 and 254  - you can pick any number and give it to your device, just don't have two devices with same number at end

 

If you use subnet mask 255.255.0.0  that means you can have up to around 64k computers in the network, and you can manually configure the last two numbers in those IP addresses. So for example, you could have 10.0.99.10 on one computer and 10.0.100.25 on the other computer, and because the subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 , both devices will be treated as in a network and they'll see each other.

 

10. ... ,  192.168. ... 176.10. ...  are "special"  IP ranges, local / private network IPs, the data packets don't go to the outside world.

 

I have one pc with windows 10 installed in it. i use my additional hard disks in that pc and i directly connect it to my pc using a cat5e cable (i get up to 1Gbps). i want to access the files of my computers (both of them) using my laptop and using the computer near the TV to watch films... (not to remote connect and play, to just open the films in my other computer). Can i do it by just buying a switch (i found a cheap switch "D-LINK 1008a" which is 100Mbps [that is fin for me] ) but i still need the access to my second my pc with 1Gbps cuz i edit 1080p 60fps videos using it (according to what i have seen, 100Mbps isn't enough). what if i do the thing in this picture (directly connect the 2nd pc to my main pc using my cate5e cable and the ports of the mobos [as i do now] and add a 100Mbps network card for both my storage pc and my main pc and hook it up to a switch using some cat5 or cat5e [both of them doesn't have a huge difference in the price in my country ] and also connect to a access point and connect it directly to the pc near the TV, and access all the files in all the pc's using any pc..., so that would be separate ). NOTE : I AM NOT CONNECTING THEMTO INTERNET AND ONLY TO SHARE THE FILES. 


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1774340451_2020-12-0212_03_30-Window.png.ef46d675631b487d18e34bfeb72e7f89.pngconnect using 1Gbps (i have only done this for now)

 

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DO I NEED A ROUTER, OR CAN I DO IT ONLY USING THE SWITCH (only to share files) 

the 1Gbps should be separate from the 100Mbps one which is connected to other devices (because i video edit and sometimes even photo edit using it, so that speed really matters)

can i do the thing in the picture without any problem (even its hard), please guide me or will it cause a problem... please help

 

when i click on network i see this ( in this pic there is only my main pc with the shared files... [ i have switched off the storage pc but when its switched on i see that pc  here too (only the shared folders and drives) ] ) - so, will connecting the computers twice (one using the 1Gbps and other using the 100Mbps which is also connected to other devices) cause a problem?? if i am wrong please guide me!

 

 

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Should work without a router, but you will lack the DHCP fuction from it.

So I guess youll have to manually assign IPs to your devices, unless you got something to do that for you.

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You do realize 100mbps is 12megabytes/s? 

Please just get a GBit Switch. They are balls cheap and you don't have to get another P2P connection to the server. 100mbps switches are a thing from the early 2000s.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Noah0302 said:

Should work without a router, but you will lack the DHCP fuction from it.

So I guess youll have to manually assign IPs to your devices, unless you got something to do that for you.

assigning ip addresses manually is not a problem.. but as i said i have connected to computers together right now and they are not in the usual 192.168.something.something

 

OTHER PC :

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MY PC

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and when i manually set it to something like 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.55 it just doesn't work..

 

AND THE SWICH MENTIONED HERE IS AN UNMANAGED SWITCH....

 

 

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4 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

You do realize 100mbps is 12megabytes/s? 

Please just get a GBit Switch. They are balls cheap and you don't have to get another P2P connection to the server. 100mbps switches are a thing from the early 2000s.

 

 

Edit: here, get something like this. It's the much much better way. 

https://www.newegg.com/tp-link-tl-sg105-5-x-rj45/p/N82E16833704179

not in my country...  all of them are what i can buy (the other sites are even worse and unbranded) there is only one switch which is 74k LKR and thats half the price of my pc.. and what i will use the 100Mbps is to only watch a 1080p film or a video i exported or work with some school projects and simple files... so that 12MBps is not a huge deal for me as i need to have 1Gbps for video editing and pic editing  which is directly connected from my main pc to the storage pc242217127_2020-12-0212_36_26-Window.thumb.png.f8a2983bffcad4078fcb437abf4cd687.png

 

this is another site and all of them are 100Mbps 

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The DES-1008A only has 100 mbps ports., so you can't go through that switch to get a dedicated 1 gbps connection between pc and storage pc

If your switch was gigabit, then you could simply connect a 2nd network card in both computers and connect those network cards to the switch, and give each IP an IP and subnet mask from a different private network class.

 

You can add a 2nd network card in both your PC and your storage pc , and simply connect a regular network cable between them - gigabit or better network cards have auto pair detection so they'll configure themselves as a private network with two devices, no need for a switch or router... but you do have to configure the ip and subnet mask manually.

So you pick something like 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2  and subnet mask 255.255.255.0   but if your main network uss 192..  then you could pick another private IP, for example 10.0.0.1 .. .254 , any numbers from 1..254 , subnet mask 255.255.255.0

or 172.16.0.1..254

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_addresses

 

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4 minutes ago, hirusha.adikari said:

not in my country...  all of them are what i can buy (the other sites are even worse and unbranded) there is only one switch which is 74k LKR and thats half the price of my pc.. and what i will use the 100Mbps is to only watch a 1080p film or a video i exported or work with some school projects and simple files... so that 12MBps is not a huge deal for me as i need to have 1Gbps for video editing and pic editing  which is directly connected from my main pc to the storage pc242217127_2020-12-0212_36_26-Window.thumb.png.f8a2983bffcad4078fcb437abf4cd687.png

 

this is another site and all of them are 100Mbps 

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What are you talking about? 

The one on the bottom right there is 6400 LKR and it says Gigabit. That's what you want. It's literally 25 USD. 

 

Does your Storage PC and Main PC even have dual LAN ports to do it the way you intended?else you'd have to add that to the cost as well. 

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3 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

What are you talking about? 

The one on the bottom right there is 6400 LKR and it says Gigabit. That's what you want. It's literally 25 USD. 

 

Does your Storage PC and Main PC even have dual LAN ports to do it the way you intended?else you'd have to add that to the cost as well. 

DAMN! sorry, my bad... ok then can i do it this way? without a router or should i get one??

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7 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The DES-1008A only has 100 mbps ports., so you can't go through that switch to get a dedicated 1 gbps connection between pc and storage pc

If your switch was gigabit, then you could simply connect a 2nd network card in both computers and connect those network cards to the switch, and give each IP an IP and subnet mask from a different private network class.

 

You can add a 2nd network card in both your PC and your storage pc , and simply connect a regular network cable between them - gigabit or better network cards have auto pair detection so they'll configure themselves as a private network with two devices, no need for a switch or router... but you do have to configure the ip and subnet mask manually.

So you pick something like 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2  and subnet mask 255.255.255.0   but if your main network uss 192..  then you could pick another private IP, for example 10.0.0.1 .. .254 , any numbers from 1..254 , subnet mask 255.255.255.0

or 172.16.0.1..254

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_addresses

 

will doing this and chainging the ip addresses and subnet masks as you said work 

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1 minute ago, mariushm said:

Yes, that will work.

You only need the 1gbps switch.

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9 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The DES-1008A only has 100 mbps ports., so you can't go through that switch to get a dedicated 1 gbps connection between pc and storage pc

If your switch was gigabit, then you could simply connect a 2nd network card in both computers and connect those network cards to the switch, and give each IP an IP and subnet mask from a different private network class.

 

You can add a 2nd network card in both your PC and your storage pc , and simply connect a regular network cable between them - gigabit or better network cards have auto pair detection so they'll configure themselves as a private network with two devices, no need for a switch or router... but you do have to configure the ip and subnet mask manually.

So you pick something like 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2  and subnet mask 255.255.255.0   but if your main network uss 192..  then you could pick another private IP, for example 10.0.0.1 .. .254 , any numbers from 1..254 , subnet mask 255.255.255.0

or 172.16.0.1..254

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_addresses

 

please give me some more examples (at least 5)  of ip addresses and should i use the same subnet mask for all the devices... :)

 

and what if i am going to connect a mobile phone or a ipad?

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Get a WiFi router that has multiple Gb Ethernet ports, this would be less setup and all around easier.

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You don't need to change IPs and subnet masks if you use a simple switch.

Different IPs are needed only if you add separate network cards on those two computers using a direct cable between them.

 

With a switch, the switch is smart enough to move the data packets directly between the computers, and not send them to the router/modem/whatever

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2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

You don't need to change IPs and subnet masks if you use a simple switch.

Different IPs are needed only if you add separate network cards on those two computers using a direct cable between them.

 

With a switch, the switch is smart enough to move the data packets directly between the computers, and not send them to the router/modem/whatever

thank you. so directly connecting all the devices to the switch will automatically show up when i Click on network? even though switch managed or unmanaged? and what if i am to open it using the phone by connecting to my access point??

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If you have a router or cable modem or something from your ISP,  that router or cable modem will automatically assign IP addresses to the devices using DHCP

In your first post, you're listing an IP address 169.254. ... that's an Internet / public IP address, not a local network / private address.  That computer should have a local IP address as well. 

If you connect that pc to the router or cable modem or whatever the ISP gives you, that means the device you have from ISP doesn't have any DHCP functions and just gives an Internet IP to the first network card connected to it, so that PC only gets an internet address.

 

In this case, you would want a router instead of a switch, so that the router will receive the Internet IP from the ISP device, and then give local network / private IPs to each device through DHCP.

 

As for those private IP addresses, if you have less than around 250 computers in a local network, you can use subnet mask 255.255.255.0 on all computers you want in that network, that means only the last number in your IP addresses will change, everything else must be the same.

So

10.0.0. x 

172.16.0.x

192.168.0.x where x  is between 1 and 254  - you can pick any number and give it to your device, just don't have two devices with same number at end

 

If you use subnet mask 255.255.0.0  that means you can have up to around 64k computers in the network, and you can manually configure the last two numbers in those IP addresses. So for example, you could have 10.0.99.10 on one computer and 10.0.100.25 on the other computer, and because the subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 , both devices will be treated as in a network and they'll see each other.

 

10. ... ,  192.168. ... 176.10. ...  are "special"  IP ranges, local / private network IPs, the data packets don't go to the outside world.

 

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3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

If you have a router or cable modem or something from your ISP,  that router or cable modem will automatically assign IP addresses to the devices using DHCP

In your first post, you're listing an IP address 169.254. ... that's an Internet / public IP address, not a local network / private address.  That computer should have a local IP address as well. 

If you connect that pc to the router or cable modem or whatever the ISP gives you, that means the device you have from ISP doesn't have any DHCP functions and just gives an Internet IP to the first network card connected to it, so that PC only gets an internet address.

 

In this case, you would want a router instead of a switch, so that the router will receive the Internet IP from the ISP device, and then give local network / private IPs to each device through DHCP.

 

As for those private IP addresses, if you have less than around 250 computers in a local network, you can use subnet mask 255.255.255.0 on all computers you want in that network, that means only the last number in your IP addresses will change, everything else must be the same.

So

10.0.0. x 

172.16.0.x

192.168.0.x where x  is between 1 and 254  - you can pick any number and give it to your device, just don't have two devices with same number at end

 

If you use subnet mask 255.255.0.0  that means you can have up to around 64k computers in the network, and you can manually configure the last two numbers in those IP addresses. So for example, you could have 10.0.99.10 on one computer and 10.0.100.25 on the other computer, and because the subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 , both devices will be treated as in a network and they'll see each other.

 

10. ... ,  192.168. ... 176.10. ...  are "special"  IP ranges, local / private network IPs, the data packets don't go to the outside world.

 

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That's a regular network cable. Ethernet.

You need to figure out where that cable goes. It goes to some device from your ISP.  Now that device could just give a public IP address to the first device (or to as many devices it sees, though unusual) it sees connected to that wall connector, or it could be smarter and have built in router functionality and ability to give private  or public IP addresses to various computers through DHCP.

 

If it's the first case, just basic - give public IP to anything plugged in - then you need a router with multiple gigabit ports on it.  The router connects to that device and that device from your ISP gives the public IP address to the router, and that router behaves like a computer. From the ISPs point of video, the router is your computer.

The router then gives private IP addresses to all devices connected to its ethernet ports through HDCP , and makes the translation / conversion between private IP addresses and that internet address as needed.  If you want to transfer a file between two local computers, those data packets don't even go to the ISP device, the data packets are simply passed between ethernet ports on the router.

 

If the device from the ISP has some smarts about it, has some router functionality, then a simple switch would be enough - the switch simply takes the data packets from all ports and mixes them together and sends them forward to the port in which you have cable going to that wall plug.

This way, the device at the other end of that cable is supposed to detect that more than one computer is connected on the switch, and assign each device private or public IP addresses through DHCP.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, mariushm said:

mixes them together

No it doesn't. A switch learns what address each connected machine has and routes only packets destined for that machine to that connection. The switch knows this by reading the packet to learn what its destination is, the redirect the packet to the appropriate port on the switch. The packet is never exposed to any other port (and hence, PC) while being processed. This is layer 2 in the OSI model and often referred to as "layer 2 switches". (yes, there are also layer 3 switches, but those are enterprise grade with matching price tags :o )

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@Dutch_Master what I was trying to say is that  if you have 3 computers each behind one ethernet jack on the switch, and two computers upload a file  to the third computer, then the switch  sees that data packets from those two ports going to the third port, and mixes the data packets from those two computers and puts them on the 3rd ethernet jack going to the third computer.

On that 3rd cable going to the 3rd computer, there will be a mix of data packets from the two computers ... the switch more or less tries to give half the time possible to first computer and half the time to the second computer, so if the computers are fast enough they'll both upload the file at half the speed possible.

 

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@mariushmI think we basically agree, but look at things from a different perspective and explaining it therefore differently. That's fine, networking can be very abstract sometimes ;)

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21 hours ago, mariushm said:

@Dutch_Master what I was trying to say is that  if you have 3 computers each behind one ethernet jack on the switch, and two computers upload a file  to the third computer, then the switch  sees that data packets from those two ports going to the third port, and mixes the data packets from those two computers and puts them on the 3rd ethernet jack going to the third computer.

On that 3rd cable going to the 3rd computer, there will be a mix of data packets from the two computers ... the switch more or less tries to give half the time possible to first computer and half the time to the second computer, so if the computers are fast enough they'll both upload the file at half the speed possible.

 

i am only using this for file transfer!

if i buy this switch without a router to assign ip addresses, will it be ok?
TP-Link 24 Port TL-SG1024D (buying in future)
or
TL-SG1008D (buying for now)
or will it need a router?? (if i am using these two switches) because i think they are unmanged..

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@hirusha.adikariI read your other post about a local web server, to make it easier buy/install a router, especially if your going to upgrade to a 24 port switch in the future. It will make configuring things a lot more easier.

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22 hours ago, cole0622 said:

@hirusha.adikariI read your other post about a local web server, to make it easier buy/install a router, especially if your going to upgrade to a 24 port switch in the future. It will make configuring things a lot more easier.

that was more of a project for fun.. :)

 

TL-SG1008D (unmanaged switch) and TL-SG1024D (idk whether its managed or unmanaged)

 

if i buy a router and this switch, i might not need to upgrade - will it work? -THIS WONT CONNECT TO THE INTERNET, SO THIS WONT NEED A MODEM-

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9 minutes ago, hirusha.adikari said:

that was more of a project for fun.. :)

 

TL-SG1008D (unmanaged switch) and TL-SG1024D (idk whether its managed or unmanaged)

 

if i buy a router and this switch, i might not need to upgrade - will it work? -THIS WONT CONNECT TO THE INTERNET, SO THIS WONT NEED A MODEM-

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That should work well

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