RTX 3060 Ti Reviews Are Out - Performance of a 2080 Super For $399

[AldiPrayogi]

Oof the price seems a bit high since I'm looking to upgrade my 1660Ti lol. Might just wait for the next generation to come around.

[Vishera]

3 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Yeah, but the prices on those can get $250 or higher.

Yeah i just looked at the store i bought my card from and prices are $50 higher than MSRP right now,really bad prices.

I bought mine on release day so prices were at MSRP.

9 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

I was thinking about getting one, but at this point (This whole year really) with new cards coming out I may as well see what comes out at a reasonable price.

You are right.

14 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

If the 3050 is around $200 I'll probably just pick it up.

It's possible that Nvidia will release a 3050 Ti for $200 and a 3050 for $150.

[Tenelia]

Guess us folk in Asia will continue driving the $99 polaris cards then...

[Ginger Penguin]

There is supposed to be a 3060 blank and 3050 Ti coming in January which ought to be cheaper. And the rumours are that the 3060 will have 12GB of VRAM. That said, I'm still going to try and get a 3060 Ti at launch. If I manage it and the 3060 is a better fit for me, I'm sure I'll be able to sell my 3060 Ti. Not for any scummy inflated price, though. I'm not an arsehole.

[Spotty]

33 minutes ago, W.D. Stevens said:

And the rumours are that the 3060 will have 12GB of VRAM.

Why would the 3060 Non-Ti have more VRAM than the 3060 Ti, the 3070, and the 3080? That doesn't make any sense.

[Random_Person1234]

2 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Why would the 3060 Non-Ti have more VRAM than the 3060 Ti, the 3070, and the 3080? That doesn't make any sense.

I think the rumor is that a variant of the 3060 will have 12 GB of VRAM.

[Spotty]

6 hours ago, StDragon said:

If Sony released a 3060 card, it might be in stock. 

Sony isn't doing much better. Sony has confirmed that there won't be any new PS5 stock arriving in Australia until 2021, so people wanting to buy a PS5 for Christmas are out of luck unless they want to pay the thousands of dollars scalpers are trying to sell them for on eBay. Despite whatever measures Sony might have put in place there's still definitely people scalping the PS5.

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SIE Australia and New Zealand are pleased to have fulfilled all PS5 stock available to Australians and New Zealanders in 2020. We look forward to making more stock available in 2021.

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/12/there-wont-be-any-more-ps5-stock-in-australia-new-zealand-until-2021/

 

 

1 minute ago, Random_Person1234 said:

I think the rumor is that a variant of the 3060 will have 12 GB of VRAM.

Is there a source for the rumour? The thing about rumours is you can make up anything you want, even if it doesn't make any sense.

 

8GB VRAM seems appropriate to me for a 3060 class card and given the performance it has demonstrated (=2080 Super) it clearly isn't held back in games by having 'only' 8GB VRAM. To be honest it wouldn't even surprise me if the 3060-non Ti/super had only 6GB VRAM. I don't see any reason why you would have a 3060 with 12GB VRAM.

[Random_Person1234]

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Is there a source for the rumour? The thing about rumours is you can make up anything you want, even if it doesn't make any sense.

 

8GB VRAM seems appropriate to me for a 3060 class card and given the performance it has demonstrated (=2080 Super) it clearly isn't held back in games by having 'only' 8GB VRAM. To be honest it wouldn't even surprise me if the 3060-non Ti/super had only 6GB VRAM. I don't see any reason why you would have a 3060 with 12GB VRAM.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-rumored-with-up-to-12gb-memory-to-launch-in-january

[Ginger Penguin]

Just now, Random_Person1234 said:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-rumored-with-up-to-12gb-memory-to-launch-in-january

Yeah, that's where I heard about it. I don't know the ins and outs of it but it was something to do with it only able to have 6 DRAM chips on it due to the 192-bit memory bus so you could either have 6GB or 12GB (1GB chips vs 2GB). I don't have a source for this next bit but I think some people were saying it was originally supposed to be 6GB only and changed to include a 12GB version after the Radeon 6000 announcement.

[RejZoR]

When mid end card (RTX 3060) has more memory than high end one (RTX 3080)...

 

And while supplies suck donkey's bottom, it's nice to see fighting between NVIDIA and AMD who makes faster and cheaper cards.

[LAwLz]

4 hours ago, Spotty said:

8GB VRAM seems appropriate to me for a 3060 class card and given the performance it has demonstrated (=2080 Super) it clearly isn't held back in games by having 'only' 8GB VRAM. To be honest it wouldn't even surprise me if the 3060-non Ti/super had only 6GB VRAM. I don't see any reason why you would have a 3060 with 12GB VRAM.

VRAM is to GPUs what GHz used to be to processors.

People assume more is better without understanding how much they actually need, or that there is more to a GPU than just how much RAM it has. 

[LAwLz]

14 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

more likely 
faster 

lower power consumption 

more vram 

None of the cards out make me want to turn on RT. And by the time games use it well these cards will be far to slow. 

DLSS competitor is on the way and we still haven’t seen a good encoder comparison. 3.5mbs is a joke. 5-7 720/900P60 and then a 75-150 1440p/4k is what we need 

• I'm not so sure it will be faster. It seems like AMD has positioned the other cards to be roughly the same in terms of performance.
• It will probably have more VRAM but I mean, who cares? It's like saying it will have higher GHz. It doesn't really matter.
• I think RT will only grow in popularity now that the consoles have it too. In any case, regardless of what you personally play and want, it is something to consider.
• DLSS competitor is on its way but we don't know when it will come, what games will support it or how it will perform. In my eyes, it might as well not exist. Don't buy products based on future promises.
• I seriously doubt AMD's encoder will be as good as Nvidia's. Nvidia's encoder is insanely good to the point where it even outperforms software encoders like x264 and x265 at slow presets. My guess, based on previous generations, is that AMD's encoder will be "good enough" but not really good, like Nvidia's. Software support will probably be lacking as well, just like it is right now.

 

Also, you do not need 75-150 Mbps for 1440p. At 8Mbps, using HEVC on a Turing graphics card, you get a VMAF score of ~94.3.

That's for a 1440p, 60 FPS clip.

You get near lossless quality if you got an Nvidia GPU (20 series or newer) and encode to ~10Mbps, even at 1440p 60 FPS. 75Mbps is ridiculously overkill.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, LAwLz said:

• I'm not so sure it will be faster. It seems like AMD has positioned the other cards to be roughly the same in terms of performance.
• It will probably have more VRAM but I mean, who cares? It's like saying it will have higher GHz. It doesn't really matter.
• I think RT will only grow in popularity now that the consoles have it too. In any case, regardless of what you personally play and want, it is something to consider.
• DLSS competitor is on its way but we don't know when it will come, what games will support it or how it will perform. In my eyes, it might as well not exist. Don't buy products based on future promises.
• I seriously doubt AMD's encoder will be as good as Nvidia's. Nvidia's encoder is insanely good to the point where it even outperforms software encoders like x264 and x265 at slow presets. My guess, based on previous generations, is that AMD's encoder will be "good enough" but not really good, like Nvidia's. Software support will probably be lacking as well, just like it is right now.

 

Also, you do not need 75-150 Mbps for 1440p. At 8Mbps, using HEVC on a Turing graphics card, you get a VMAF score of ~94.3.

That's for a 1440p, 60 FPS clip.

OC headroom so far is really good on 6000 cards not so much on 3000

It does for those not a 1080p or playing last gen games. 3 year old games like R6 hit 5-7gb of vram at 1440p, cod does about the same. 8gb of vram is barley what I consider enough at this price point. looking at FPS/$ charts if the 3060ti gets much higher than 440 its going to give you the same FPS/$ as a 5700xt which is sad.

 

HDR on a monitor is a better selling point that RT on a graphics card. I've yet to see a game that makes me go oh that matters.

DLSS done well is in what 2 games. that isn't a selling point ether.

 

cool that gives me 0 option to change the footage in any way. that test is giving them way to easy of a time. its barely a challenge

[LAwLz]

51 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

OC headroom so far is really good on 6000 cards not so much on 3000

I would still say the 6000 series performs about the same as the 3000 series. Even if it turns out that the 6000 cards overclock better, I still put the most value on stock performance. Not everyone wants to void their warranty to maybe get a couple of more FPS, which they might not get anyway since OC headroom varies from card to card.

 

53 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

It does for those not a 1080p or playing last gen games. 3 year old games like R6 hit 5-7gb of vram at 1440p, cod does about the same. 8gb of vram is barley what I consider enough at this price point.

VRAM usage is meaningless. Just because you see 6GB of VRAM usage when you play a game does not mean the game actually needs 6GB of VRAM.

It's the same as with any other RAM. OSes and programs tend to expunge their caches as little as possible because it costs energy to do so. 3GB of that 6GB might be old data that is no longer used and completely unnecessary, but that the GPU keeps in the VRAM anyway, because why waste energy clearing something when you don't need to? Same as with Windows and normal RAM.

Right now I am sitting at 8GB of VRAM usage, with just my browser and 2 tabs open. My computer doesn't actually need 8GB of RAM for these tasks, but since it has 24GB of free RAM it goes "why waste energy determining how much of this 8GB of RAM I can clear, when I still have 24GB of RAM free for tasks".

 

The more RAM you got, including VRAM, the more wasteful your computer becomes (dynamically). You can not say a game requires 6GB of VRAM just because you have seen VRAM usage at 6GB. In order to determine how much VRAM is necessary, you need to analyze what data is stored in the VRAM, and what is actually being used. I don't have that data, and I doubt you have it either.

 

In any case, VRAM usage graphs are absolutely and utterly meaningless. They actually do not give you any meaningful information, at all.

 

 

58 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

looking at FPS/$ charts if the 3060ti gets much higher than 440 its going to give you the same FPS/$ as a 5700xt which is sad.

What do you mean "higher than 440"? It feels like you're referencing some specific benchmark but I am not sure which one.

In any case, even if the FPS/$ matches the 5700XT it will still be a better card because of additional features, and higher performance in some tasks like raytracing.

Also, according to TechPowerUp the performance per dollar is higher than the 5700XT.  It's about 17% higher performance per dollar at 1440p. That's a pretty decent increase if you ask me.

[GDRRiley]

18 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I would still say the 6000 series performs about the same as the 3000 series. Even if it turns out that the 6000 cards overclock better, I still put the most value on stock performance. Not everyone wants to void their warranty to maybe get a couple of more FPS, which they might not get anyway since OC headroom varies from card to card.

 

What do you mean "higher than 440"? It feels like you're referencing some specific benchmark but I am not sure which one.

In any case, even if the FPS/$ matches the 5700XT it will still be a better card because of additional features, and higher performance in some tasks like raytracing.

Also, according to TechPowerUp the performance per dollar is higher than the 5700XT.  It's about 17% higher performance per dollar at 1440p. That's a pretty decent increase if you ask me.

Boost clocks matter. cranking power sliders is easy, it doesn't void you warranty in any way that they can hold it against you. OCed 6800xt beat OC 3080s. (HardWare unboxed)

 

at MSRP which no cards will be, most are in the high 400$. Sorry I missed a $ sign.

[Drama Lama]

Did I sleep or was there no 3060 non ti or super ?

and why is Nvidia now using the ti naming scheme again ? I thought they wanted to name every refresh of their cards no 30xx super.

[GDRRiley]

12 minutes ago, Drama Lama said:

Did I sleep or was there no 3060 non ti or super ?

and why is Nvidia now using the ti naming scheme again ? I thought they wanted to name every refresh of their cards no 30xx super.

nope none right now.

they though they were going to have an easy time. RDNA 2 is putting up a fight

[AlTech]

I guess only one more generation before we have 2080 perf for $200. Horray for us getting 2019 value product performance in 2021 I guess.

 

I'm honestly really sick and tired of this BS. I want $100 cards to actually mean budget, $200 to be value, $300 to upper mid range, $500 to be high end, and $800 to be flagship.

 

There's no excuse for why this card isn't $199 or $249.

 

What's that saying TechDeals says on his streams so often.... "Everything's the cost of a sandwich on eBay in 10 years".

[RejZoR]

While good performance, the price is a bit high if you ask me. Weren't these something60 cards around $300 to max $350 not that long ago? Coz $399 means it'll be 480€ if not more with VAT included. That's quite expensive for a mid range card. It's such a weird turn that top end cards remained relatively similar or even cheaper, where lower end ones jumped in price dramatically. From same generation.

[AlTech]

Just now, RejZoR said:

While good performance, the price is a bit high if you ask me. Weren't these something60 cards around $300 to max $350 not that long ago? Coz $399 means it'll be 480€ if not more with VAT included. That's quite expensive for a mid range card. It's such a weird turn that top end cards remained relatively similar or even cheaper, where lower end ones jumped in price dramatically. From same generation.

Apparently AIB cards are more like $480-500. They were allegedly supposed to be $580 for AIBs but Nvidia told them to cut the price by $100.

[Blademaster91]

The x60 tier gpu for $500 is way too much imo, these should be $350 at the most otherwise just get a 3070, and the 1060 6gb launched with a $299 msrp.

[Haro]

7 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Apparently AIB cards are more like $480-500. They were allegedly supposed to be $580 for AIBs but Nvidia told them to cut the price by $100.

Let me guess, you got that from the popular conspiracy theorist MLID?

[AlTech]

Just now, Haro said:

Let me guess, you got that from the popular conspiracy theorist MLID?

No, I got that from legitimate news source MLID and his sources along with explanations as to why AIBs are marking up the prices so high.

 

So the latest hissey fit from AIBs is that they can't send cards by boat that takes a month and that they need to use air shipping which is substantially more expensive.

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

legitimate news source MLID and his sources

[RejZoR]

Tell your girl how to drink without spilling lol. This is the second time she's choking on drinks :D