Ryzen 5 3600 vs i7 7700k

[Loenneborg]

My 3600 CPU seems to be much worse than My friends i7 7700k in cold war. That is My main issue, we noth have ddr4 16gb 3200mhz ram. So just about everything is the same inside of the pc, besides the CPU, and motherboard of course. The Gpu is gtx 1660. My 3600 is at 50% usage and Gpu on 30%. Running at max 60 fps, and when playing with i7 7700k, it runs at 90 fps. (havent checked %) 

[porina]

I don't know about that specific title but some games do work better on Intel. Especially if they're not used to making use of so many cores/threads. Also the cache arrangement seems to agree with many games more. Two things you could try:

1, double check you're not running vsync on or something like that

2, turn off SMT - this might improve games that don't need many threads but could use faster cores.

3, increase FCLK to 1800 but don't change ram speed. This allows infinity fabric to run faster, and anything that is clocked with infinity fabric. There is a penalty in that ram is then async, so it is a win some, lose some kinda setting.

[Loenneborg]

16 minutes ago, porina said:

I don't know about that specific title but some games do work better on Intel. Especially if they're not used to making use of so many cores/threads. Also the cache arrangement seems to agree with many games more. Two things you could try:

1, double check you're not running vsync on or something like that

2, turn off SMT - this might improve games that don't need many threads but could use faster cores.

3, increase FCLK to 1800 but don't change ram speed. This allows infinity fabric to run faster, and anything that is clocked with infinity fabric. There is a penalty in that ram is then async, so it is a win some, lose some kinda setting.

So turn off vsync. 

What is amt? 

And set ram speed to auto and flck to 1800?

[porina]

3 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

So turn off vsync. 

Not necessarily... I didn't ask what monitor you're using. Once scenario is if you are running a 60 Hz display with V-sync on, that will limit you to 60fps. turning off V-sync would allow fps to go over that, at the cost of possible visual tearing.

 

3 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

What is amt? 

SMT, it allows each real core to process two threads at the same time. You get more work done in total, but it can sometimes slow things down because each part completes slower.

 

3 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

And set ram speed to auto and flck to 1800?

Leave your ram settings as they are, assuming they're set to 3200 already. I'm a bit rusty on changing settings like those on AMD systems but make sure when you change FCLK it doesn't affect the ram. There is a small chance some CPUs might not like that FCLK, but it is quite popular as the sweet spot for Zen 2 CPUs.

 

I'd suggest you try each thing separately by itself, don't do all three at once.

 

[Loenneborg]

7 minutes ago, porina said:

Not necessarily... I didn't ask what monitor you're using. Once scenario is if you are running a 60 Hz display with V-sync on, that will limit you to 60fps. turning off V-sync would allow fps to go over that, at the cost of possible visual tearing.

 

SMT, it allows each real core to process two threads at the same time. You get more work done in total, but it can sometimes slow things down because each part completes slower.

 

Leave your ram settings as they are, assuming they're set to 3200 already. I'm a bit rusty on changing settings like those on AMD systems but make sure when you change FCLK it doesn't affect the ram. There is a small chance some CPUs might not like that FCLK, but it is quite popular as the sweet spot for Zen 2 CPUs.

 

I'd suggest you try each thing separately by itself, don't do all three at once.

 

I have a 1080p 240hz monitor. How do i turn on SMT.  Thanks 

[porina]

4 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

I have a 1080p 240hz monitor. How do i turn on SMT.  Thanks 

In that case it isn't V-sync, but do check game settings you haven't accidentally set a 60fps limit somewhere.

 

SMT and FCLK are in the bios, somewhere. And note I was suggesting turning OFF SMT, it is on by default. Note it may have an adverse effect on other uses.

[Loenneborg]

10 minutes ago, porina said:

In that case it isn't V-sync, but do check game settings you haven't accidentally set a 60fps limit somewhere.

 

SMT and FCLK are in the bios, somewhere. And note I was suggesting turning OFF SMT, it is on by default. Note it may have an adverse effect on other uses.

So nothing worked of that, this is what it says when monitoring my pc: with the 3600.

[Guest]

You won't make a 3600 faster than a 7700K unfortunately. 

 

You essentially side graded. Gained thread count, lost IPC.

The 7700K would have a 3600 by the nuts especially once overclocked.

 

Sorry to lay the bad news straight up man. Just how it is. 

 

[Loenneborg]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

You won't make a 3600 faster than a 7700K unfortunately. 

 

You essentially side graded. Gained thread count, lost IPC.

The 7700K would have a 3600 by the nuts especially once overclocked.

 

Sorry to lay the bad news straight up man. Just how it is. 

 

just doesnt make sence that running a i7 7700k would gain 30fps. Thats a 50% increase. Sounds rediculous.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

just doesnt make sence that running a i7 7700k would gain 30fps. Thats a 50% increase. Sounds rediculous.

That 30%, he you was probably overclocked.

 

Realistically at stock vs stock, probably closer to 10% differences.

 

The bummer is AMD doesn't really clock past factory frequencies. PBO and GO baby! XMP set it and forget it. Kinda the way it's designed actually. User OC = null and void. Thanks AMD!

 

 

[Loenneborg]

4 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That 30%, he you was probably overclocked.

 

Realistically at stock vs stock, probably closer to 10% differences.

 

The bummer is AMD doesn't really clock past factory frequencies. PBO and GO baby! XMP set it and forget it. Kinda the way it's designed actually. User OC = null and void. Thanks AMD!

 

 

well both ran at 4.2ghz.

[porina]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That 30%, he you was probably overclocked.

90/60=1.5, so is is a 50% increase. You could say 60/90=0.66=33% drop going the other way.

 

I've only seen this but a long time ago. 6600k stock was hitting around 90fps with SLI 980Ti in FFXIV. Hardly got above 60fps with a Ryzen 1700. I never repeated that test with newer Ryzen though.

[Loenneborg]

1 minute ago, porina said:

90/60=1.5, so is is a 50% increase. You could say 60/90=0.66=33% drop going the other way.

 

I've only seen this but a long time ago. 6600k stock was hitting around 90fps with SLI 980Ti in FFXIV. Hardly got above 60fps with a Ryzen 1700. I never repeated that test with newer Ryzen though.

what is the safest way of OC my ryzen.  

[porina]

Just now, Loenneborg said:

what is the safest way of OC my ryzen.  

On my experience when I had a 3600, don't. If you have good cooling, turn on PBO but that just makes it much hotter but not a lot faster. Manual OC to me isn't worth the pain.

[Loenneborg]

Just now, porina said:

On my experience when I had a 3600, don't. If you have good cooling, turn on PBO but that just makes it much hotter but not a lot faster. Manual OC to me isn't worth the pain.

Okay, what is PBO if i may ask?

[Loenneborg]

So just to be clear. It is actually a 1060 6gb. Not a 1660. Which means, that my ryzen 5 3600 cpu, is too slow for this Graphics card. But, it worked perfectly with the rx 5700. If i get the 3080, this would be a shit show?

[porina]

15 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

Okay, what is PBO if i may ask?

It is the easy overclock mode on Zen 2 CPUs. Basically it increases the power and other limits so the CPU can boost higher.

 

I'd suggest at this point, just play games unless you find the performance too low to use. 

[Loenneborg]

Just now, porina said:

It is the easy overclock mode on Zen 2 CPUs. Basically it increases the power and other limits so the CPU can boost higher.

 

I'd suggest at this point, just play games unless you find the performance too low to use. 

I figured it out. The PBO thing  but 3080 would be terrible in that regard?

[porina]

1 minute ago, Loenneborg said:

I figured it out. The PBO thing  but 3080 would be terrible in that regard?

It depends on the game and how it behaves. More modern games can make better use of more cores like on the 3600. 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

well both ran at 4.2ghz.

And the 7700K would easily run 4.5ghz.... Most of these chips ran 4.8-5.0ghz on high end liquid cooling. Back in the delidding days dropping Intel core temps as much as 20c.....

 

Pretty much as far back as I can remember, Intel chips hitting 5ghz, daily between 4.5 and 4.6ghz. Heck that's about where I ran my 2500K.... had a 4690K that clocked rather well too. 

 

Any how.

 

You want better performance from AMD, you want to OC the memory and IF as high as they'll go together. It's a sure way to increase performance.

[Loenneborg]

14 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

And the 7700K would easily run 4.5ghz.... Most of these chips ran 4.8-5.0ghz on high end liquid cooling. Back in the delidding days dropping Intel core temps as much as 20c.....

 

Pretty much as far back as I can remember, Intel chips hitting 5ghz, daily between 4.5 and 4.6ghz. Heck that's about where I ran my 2500K.... had a 4690K that clocked rather well too. 

 

Any how.

 

You want better performance from AMD, you want to OC the memory and IF as high as they'll go together. It's a sure way to increase performance.

How do you reckon i OC the memory, the fastest and safest way to do so?

 

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Loenneborg said:

How do you reckon i OC the memory, the fastest and safest way to do so?

 

Well, you start with enable XMP and manually increase the memory frequency beyond 3200mhz while XMP is enabled. Probably the easiest way.

Theres always OC risk, so I cannot use the terms safe.