Please for the love of God stop using the term "PC Master Race"

[oeci]

After having heard this term in many tech youtube videos including LTT and also read it on many forums I finally decided to bring the issue up in this thread. I live in Europe and here the term "Master Race" is commonly associated with Nazi Germany language (a so called Nazism). I don't know whether this is also the case in the U.S. and/ or Canada but let me quote Wikipedia as a reminder:

 

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The master race (German: Herrenrasse, also referred to as Herrenvolk "master people") is a concept in Nazi ideology in which the putative Nordic or Aryan races, predominant among Germans and other northern European peoples, are deemed the highest in racial hierarchy. Members of this alleged master race were referred to as Herrenmenschen ("master humans").

The Nazi theorist Alfred Rosenberg believed that the Nordic race was descended from Proto-Aryans, who he believed had prehistorically dwelt on the North German Plain and ultimately originated on the lost continent of Atlantis. The Nazis declared that the Nordics (now referred to as the Germanic peoples), or Aryans as they sometimes called them, were superior to all other races. The Nazis believed they were entitled to expand territorially. This concept is known as Nordicism. The actual policy that was implemented by the Nazis resulted in the Aryan certificate. This document, which was required by law for all citizens of the Reich was the "Lesser Aryan certificate" (Kleiner Ariernachweis). This could be obtained through an Ahnenpass, which required the owner to trace their lineage through baptism, birth certificates or certified proof thereof that all grandparents were of "Aryan descent".

The Slavs (along with Gypsies and Jews) were defined as being racially inferior and non-Aryan Untermenschen, and were thus considered to be a danger to the "Aryan" or Germanic master race. According to the Nazi secret Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost, the Slavic population was to be removed from Central Europe through expulsion, enslavement, starvation, and extermination, except for a small percentage who were deemed to be non-Slavic descendants of Germanic settlers, and thus suitable for Germanisation.

 

Here is the link to the entire article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

 

As described above the Nazis assumed that they were the "Master Race" and thus superior to any other race on the planet. And some races (most prominently Jews) were deemed so unworthy/ inferior by the Nazis that they should not be allowed to reproduce and therefore needed to be exterminated. So in short words the Nazis used the term "Master Race" as justification for the most gruesome crime against humanity that mankind has ever committed, the industrialized killing of Jews, homosexuals, mentally ill and other people they deemed unworthy/ inferior.

 

I don't know about you but find it disgusting to use an utterly toxic term like "Master Race" in combination with a hobby like PC gaming that is supposed to be fun. What are we implying here? That console gamers are so inferior/ unworthy that they should be gassed in concentration camps? What about the approximately 40 000 Canadian and the hundreds of thousands of American service men and women who gave their lives in the fight against the terror regime the Nazis established throughout Europe and in parts of Africa? What would they think about us if they saw that we call ourselves the "PC Master Race"?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

 

Given the historic background I strongly believe the term "PC Master Race" is completely inappropriate and should therefore be banned from all future LTT videos and the LTT forums. I constitutes an insult to the millions of victims of the horrible Nazi Regime and their relatives/ descendants and trivializes one of the worst crimes ever committed. Or in other words: I'd rather be an unworthy console gamer than being part of any kind of "Master Race".

 

@LinusTech @alpenwasser @Glenwing @GzeroD

 

Thanks in advance for taking my request into consideration.

Edited November 29, 2020 by SansVarnic
Corrected formatting.

[Tristerin]

PC Master Race

 

to soon?

[WereCatf]

3 minutes ago, oeci said:

I live in Europe and here the term "Master Race" is commonly associated with Nazi Germany language (a so called Nazism).

That's the whole point: it's being used to mock this whole "Master Race" - concept in an ironical manner! Your whole post actually serves as an argument why it's a good thing to mock that stuff.

[AlwaysWong]

PC MASTER RACE

[SupaKomputa]

i think you overthink it. it's a parody of nazi "master race".

[dilpickle]

12 minutes ago, Grand Admiral Thrawn said:

I have always thought that PCMR is used to describe something like 'a race to the best of the best'. Like when something looks/runs better on a PC rather than a console, then a PC 'wins the race'.

But that is just my point of view and technically it is not wrong.

Lol no. It is absolutely a reference to the Nazi term.

 

It was always surprising to me that this term survived the wokeness era. But I guess PC users aren't likely to care about that stuff. As evidenced by this very thread.

[WhitetailAni]

12 minutes ago, oeci said:

Here is the link to the entire article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

 

As described above the Nazis assumed that they were the "Master Race" and thus superior to any other race on the planet. And some races (most prominently Jews) were deemed so unworthy/ inferior by the Nazis that they should not be allowed to recreate and therefore needed to be exterminated. So in short words the Nazis used the term "Master Race" as justification for the most gruesome crime against humanity that mankind has ever committed, the industrialized killing of Jews, homosexuals, mentally ill and other people they deemed unworthy/ inferior.

I can't see it...

[MartinKweh]

PC MASTER RACE

[PlayStation 2]

Maybe it's because the word "nazi" has lost all meaning to me, but I can't help but to post this here.

 

[piratemonkey]

16 minutes ago, oeci said:

@LinusTech @alpenwasser @Glenwing @GzeroD

Linus is the only one out of those people to have anything to do with the videos. The rest are inactive as far as I can tell

 

Please also remove formatting of the Wikipedia

[SAVE-12-HK]

nazi now refers to chinazi

[Mateyyy]

So all this time, SSD has stood for Schutzstaffel drive? I knew it!

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

So all this time, SSD has stood for Schutzstaffel drive? I knew it!

Seagate, Western Digital, Kingston etc. right about now:

[oeci]

According to the staff list on this website these are Senior Mods. That's why I included them.

[r.perez]

22 minutes ago, oeci said:

After having heard this term in many tech youtube videos including LTT and also read it on many forums I finally decided to bring the issue up in this thread. I live in Europe and here the term "Master Race" is commonly associated with Nazi Germany language (a so called Nazism). I don't know whether this is also the case in the U.S. and/ or Canada but let me quote Wikipedia as a reminder:

 

 

Here is the link to the entire article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

 

As described above the Nazis assumed that they were the "Master Race" and thus superior to any other race on the planet. And some races (most prominently Jews) were deemed so unworthy/ inferior by the Nazis that they should not be allowed to reproduce and therefore needed to be exterminated. So in short words the Nazis used the term "Master Race" as justification for the most gruesome crime against humanity that mankind has ever committed, the industrialized killing of Jews, homosexuals, mentally ill and other people they deemed unworthy/ inferior.

 

I don't know about you but find it disgusting to use an utterly toxic term like "Master Race" in combination with a hobby like PC gaming that is supposed to be fun. What are we implying here? That console gamers are so inferior/ unworthy that they should be gassed in concentration camps? What about the approximately 40 000 Canadian and the hundreds of thousands of American service men and women who gave their lives in the fight against the terror regime the Nazis established throughout Europe and in parts of Africa? What would they think about us if they saw that we call ourselves the "PC Master Race"?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

 

Given the historic background I strongly believe the term "PC Master Race" is completely inappropriate and should therefore be banned from all future LTT videos and the LTT forums. I constitutes an insult to the millions of victims of the horrible Nazi Regime and their relatives/ descendants and trivializes one of the worst crimes ever committed. Or in other words: I'd rather be an unworthy console gamer than being part of any kind of "Master Race".

 

@LinusTech @alpenwasser @Glenwing @GzeroD

 

Thanks in advance for taking my request into consideration.

I agree. As an ethnically jewish person who lost many ancestors this term makes me very uncomfortable. The current political climate doesn't help either.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, oeci said:

According to the staff list on this website these are Senior Mods. That's why I included them.

they are almost all inactive.

its a dam joke and meme. it is making fun of the idea

[Glenwing]

The forum staff doesn't have any role in the LMG video production.

[oeci]

It's no joke to those who suffered at the hands of Nazi Germany. And it's no joke to those who still propagate this ideology even today, 75 years after the "Third Reich" finally collapsed.

[oeci]

3 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

The forum staff doesn't have any role in the LMG video production.

That's why I also addressed Linus. But the moderation staff certainly has a saying as far as these forums are concerned.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, oeci said:

It's no joke to those who suffered at the hands of Nazi Germany. And it's no joke to those who still propagate this ideology even today, 75 years after the "Third Reich" finally collapsed.

dude we are doing nothing to propagate this ideology compared to many current politicians and activist around the world.

 

Just now, oeci said:

That's why I also addressed Linus. But the moderation staff certainly has a saying as far as these forums are concerned.

no one is going to ban some words because people don't like it.

Spoiler

 

[WereCatf]

5 minutes ago, oeci said:

And it's no joke to those who still propagate this ideology even today, 75 years after the "Third Reich" finally collapsed.

You are just giving legitimacy to them with this, so...

[seon123]

6 minutes ago, oeci said:

It's no joke to those who suffered at the hands of Nazi Germany. And it's no joke to those who still propagate this ideology even today, 75 years after the "Third Reich" finally collapsed.

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satire

noun [ C or U ]

 

uk

 

/ˈsæt.aɪər/ us

 

/ˈsæt.aɪr/

 

a way of criticizing people or ideas in a humorous way, especially in order to make a political point, or a piece of writing that uses this style:

political satire

Her play was a biting/cruel satire on life in the 80s.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/satire

[akio123008]

10 minutes ago, oeci said:

It's no joke to those who suffered at the hands of Nazi Germany. And it's no joke to those who still propagate this ideology even today, 75 years after the "Third Reich" finally collapsed.

It's the other way round:

 

The term "PC master race" is a mockery of the concept of a master race. By using this joke we actually demonstrate how stupid the idea of a "master race" is. We make fun of the idea of a master race. We make fun of nazi-ideology, and how dumb it is. 

 

Using the term is not done to actually imply superiority of PC gaming, using it is done to say almost the opposite.

[Glenwing]

9 minutes ago, oeci said:

That's why I also addressed Linus. But the moderation staff certainly has a saying as far as these forums are concerned.

I appreciate your perspective but I think you're being oversensitive, and I think the other forum staff will most likely agree.

 

We're not going to stop people from using PCMR just because it's loosely associated with nazis, any more than we're going to forbid using the phrase "grammar nazi", or stop people from saying "nuking a thread" when we remove posts even though it refers to weapons of mass destruction which devastated Japan, or stop using the phrase "hijacking a thread" when someone posts a new question in someone else's thread, even though it generally refers to terrorists taking over planes and flying them into buildings in American minds. If you start tiptoe-ing around any phrase associated with some bad history, we're not going to be able say anything.

 

No one reading these phrases seriously associates them with these events, despite their obvious historical origin. They are common modern phrases.

[Tan3l6]

Everything "nazi-realated" is not racist, nor "nazi"... in my humble opinion... 

Even the symbolics, though obviously better known as "nazi symbolism" is not something they used first by axis. For example - swastika. Old symbolics hijacked..

Matter of interpretation though.