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PSU Prices going up even further?

Summary

 

It seems that the company responsible for the 80Plus rating program, Plug Load Solutions, is increasing its licensing and testing fees which may mean that PSU vendors may increase prices for customers to compensate for the potential price increase on top of increases due to the large demand for PC products right now in general, and supply issues with power supply components due to the coronavirus pandemic

 

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The document that Igor’s Lab received (shown above) allows us to get an idea of how this system works. The first registration of a PSU model from the manufacturer into the 80 Plus certification program costs $5000. After that, comes the “initial power supply testing”, costing about $6000/unit for 115V, 115V Industrial and 230V EU Internal PSUs ($2000/unit formerly), and $7250/unit if we are talking about a 230V data centre internal PSU.

 

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Now, if we consider rebranded units, there’s a “rebranded fee (from a previously certified PSU)” of $3500 per unit – a service that previously cost $1000 per unit. Using Corsair as an example, the Corsair RMx series, which is available with 550W, 650W, 750W, 850W, and 1000W capacities, would cost $17,500 to get recertified. The fear is that this increase in 80 Plus pricing will be reflected in the market price for power supplies, especially those coming from OEMs.

My thoughts

This seems like we are getting back to 2017 all over again both with Bitcoin now reaching a 3 year peak at nearly $20000 and with nothing being available in terms of new graphics cards and the used market having the almost the same prices as a year ago for many options, albeit with the lack of horrendous prices due to miners buying up the gaming cards. New CPUs such aqs Zen3 are in a much better place in terms of what is offered for the price, however they are also difficult to get hold of with Zen2 and Intel Comet Lake being available however. The only thing which looks certain to be cheap is NAND and DRAM as the market has been flooded by Micron, SKHynix and Samsung. I hope this situation sorts itself soon and I hope my PSU or graphics card doesn't decide to give up the ghost because its gonna be a nice time getting new parts and navigating the used market will be fun.

 

Sources

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/joao-silva/80-plus-testing-and-licensing-fee-increase-may-affect-pricing-of-power-supplies/

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Man I remember getting my EVGA P2 850W PSU back in 2016 for roughly $150....now the prices are going up on already inflated prices.

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Mining isn't helping either lol

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Just now, Blademaster91 said:

That usually isn't a good thing

as long as the $50 psu can handle my rx 580 doing weird things, like pulling 270w whenever i try to run a benchmark, then all is well, probably.

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Oh no, companies will just ditch 80+ and start using Cybenetics for certification instead. What a shame. /s

 

Cybenetics provides much more useful tests anyway. Only problem with cybenetics is the rating system isn't as well known or as easily recognisable. Cybenetics ETA efficiency ratings system goes from standard to A-, then up to A, A+, and finally A++. 

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=eta

 

 

If the cost of 80+ gets too expensive it wouldn't surprise me if we saw some of the smaller brands and cheaper models ditch the certifications completely and just rate it themselves and stick vague claims of "85% efficiency" on the label without making it clear if that's minimum 85% efficiency between a certain load range, peak efficiency, efficiency at a certain load, etc. Just end up the wild west of dubious and misleading efficiency claims with every brand doing their own thing.

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Shooting themselves in the foot there.

If they think companies will always only do business with them to get some random certification, they are dead wrong. Once the prices get too high to be worth it for them, they will either just go elsewhere or team up together to make up some new certification to "compete" with the 80plus rating.

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2 hours ago, Spotty said:

Oh no, companies will just ditch 80+ and start using Cybenetics for certification instead. What a shame. /s

 

Cybenetics provides much more useful tests anyway. Only problem with cybenetics is the rating system isn't as well known or as easily recognisable. Cybenetics ETA efficiency ratings system goes from standard to A-, then up to A, A+, and finally A++. 

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=eta

 

 

If the cost of 80+ gets too expensive it wouldn't surprise me if we saw some of the smaller brands and cheaper models ditch the certifications completely and just rate it themselves and stick vague claims of "85% efficiency" on the label without making it clear if that's minimum 85% efficiency between a certain load range, peak efficiency, efficiency at a certain load, etc. Just end up the wild west of dubious and misleading efficiency claims with every brand doing their own thing.

The article did talk about Cybenetics being another solution but there is the problem with Cybenetics system not being widely recognised though I'd envision companies will charge higher prices rather than lose sales on their PSUs. I got my EVGA G+ 750W for under £95 2 years ago. Its an older PSU model by this point with the G5 now being out but they have gone up in price so much. Sigh please go away pandemic.

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If understand the above correctly, it's an extra $4000 per PSU and an extra $2500 per rebrand? Spread over the units sold over the product's life, it can't add that much? 

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I agree. Just state the efficiency number and the industry would catch on. Why pay those stupid royalties nowadays? 

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12 hours ago, Spotty said:

Oh no, companies will just ditch 80+ and start using Cybenetics for certification instead.

I wish that was the case.

I just watched igor's video on the matter and 80-plus seems to be nothing but a load of horsesh*t.

 

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I mean how many PSUs are they making? It shouldn’t make that much of a difference.

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This is a relatively modest certification fee increase. 

 

Worst case scenario you'll have companies putting out fewer SKUs or foregoing certification. 

 

This should have a minimal impact on the market, though I wouldn't be surprised to see some cheaper brands or lower volume runs do something like "90% or better efficiency" if they can actually hit those figures (very possible for 12VO) or bragging "beats California efficiency standards" in lieu of 80+ certification. 

 

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This is how you end up with alternative standards/certifications that mean basically the same.

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18 hours ago, comander said:

This is a relatively modest certification fee increase. 

 

Worst case scenario you'll have companies putting out fewer SKUs or foregoing certification. 

 

This should have a minimal impact on the market, though I wouldn't be surprised to see some cheaper brands or lower volume runs do something like "90% or better efficiency" if they can actually hit those figures (very possible for 12VO) or bragging "beats California efficiency standards" in lieu of 80+ certification. 

 

I just wonder if psu makers will simply hold off on releasing new lines all together for the time being as if they already has the certification then this price increase doesn't effect their current line of psu. 

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On 11/26/2020 at 12:29 PM, CommanderAlex said:

Man I remember getting my EVGA P2 850W PSU back in 2016 for roughly $150....now the prices are going up on already inflated prices.

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plus an extra 10-20% off as per the comments. today:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bv38TW/evga-power-supply-220t21000x1

 

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On 11/27/2020 at 8:10 AM, TetraSky said:

Shooting themselves in the foot there.

If they think companies will always only do business with them to get some random certification, they are dead wrong. Once the prices get too high to be worth it for them, they will either just go elsewhere or team up together to make up some new certification to "compete" with the 80plus rating.

or just do what some phone manufacturers have started doing. implement all the common water resistant measures, but just not paying for the IPxx rating.

 

but in this case, all the standard efficiency requirements and a middle finger to the certifier. 

Judge the product by its own merits, not by the Company that created it.

 

Don't dilute <good thing> by always trying to focus on, and drag conversation back to, <bad thing>.

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If you split that cost up for the huge number of PSUs produced this should have next to no impact on pricing. I doubt an extra few thousand $ would stop them from releasing new products, even with this certification.

 

Either way, this certification is not really an indicator of a good PSU anyways, so i wouldn't be sad to see it going away.

An 80+ Gold PSU can be absolute garbage and the next 80+ Bronze PSU could be a very capable unit.

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15 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

I just wonder if psu makers will simply hold off on releasing new lines all together for the time being as if they already has the certification then this price increase doesn't effect their current line of psu. 

This is likely. Think of a slowed launch cadence with marginally more funds in R&D/implementation per launch - at least for lower volume SKUs. 

 

For high volume SKUs this really doesn't matter. It's $4000 extra per product line. If you sell 50,000 units in that line (50,000 is around 1/5000 of the PCs sold in 2018), it's going to be 8 cents per unit. If you sell 2000 units, then the cost is $2/unit. 

 

One thing about the lower volume SKUs is that they tend to be pricier in general - a 1200W PSU for $300 ASP with a $2 cost increase... hardly consequential. 

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