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best midrange/high-end cpu for thread-heavy gaming?

so i play lots of games, and a good few make heavy use of physics calculations. games like beamng, kerbal space program, that sorta thing. i'm sitting on a r5 3600 right now with a 980ti, and am trying to find a high end card (2080ti or reference 6800xt/3080) in the near future to drive 1440p 144hz, so i think a better cpu would be a good pairing. choices i've considered:

 

secondhand 8-10 core intel: i can find a 9900k/10700k for <300, or 10850k/10900k for 375+. already have the cooling to deal with all that, though i'd need to find a board; z390s are pretty cheap now, but z490s are ~100 bucks more for similar skus. 

 

secondhand 8-12 core zen 2: i can find a 3700x for ~250, though i'd prefer to jump to a 3900x which runs about 350 bucks used. already have a board to handle it comfortably. 

 

after watching the gamersnexus video on heavily tuning the 10600k and 5600x, i see that the 10600k did (relatively) very well. so i wonder how a 10850k/10900k responds to fast memory and a heavy overclock similar to what they did, and how that'd compare to a 3900x or something. ideally i'd get a 5900x or something but that's a good bit more than i'd like to spend right now lol.

 

i know that for many games, 6 cores is more than enough, but i'm pretty sure that physics sandbox games and such benefit from extra cores nicely... but feel free to correct me lol. i appreciate any help that you can provide!

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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unless you can find a 9900k for 200usd, 5600x is the choice here. intel cpus aren't competitive atm.

9900k 1.39v 5.2avx 5.0 ring 96C 205w 1.01v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5575 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 15-15-15-33-320-24 ddr4100  bdie 1.5v 45C 1.25sa/1.21io  ll EVGA 2080 ti XC 1995//7600 325w 69C stock voltage (bad ocer) ll  8x nf12/14 fans 2x samsung 860 evo 500gb raid 0 ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll Corsair graphite 780T ll EVGA G2 1300w ll Windows 10 Pro ll NEC PA272w (movie, work mon) 1080p 60hzll Predator X27 4k144 hdr (using at 4:4:4 98 fan is dying)

 

old rig 8600k d15 evga 1080 ti hybrid  z370 extreme 4 2x8gb ddr3866 cl16 512gb nvme evo+ 860 evo 500gb raid 0 evga p2 1000w 

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17 hours ago, xg32 said:

unless you can find a 9900k for 200usd, 5600x is the choice here. intel cpus aren't competitive atm.

even at 1440p? is the difference that high? i'd prefer to get a card in the price range of a 2080ti/3070 so i'd figure the difference would be even less; didnt techpowerup show a weird interaction between turing and zen 3?

topics i need help on:

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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18 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

even at 1440p? is the difference that high? i'd prefer to get a card in the price range of a 2080ti/3070 so i'd figure the difference would be even less; didnt techpowerup show a weird interaction between turing and zen 3?

if you wanna game at 144hz it doesn't matter the resolution, the 5600x is the best choice, i wouldn't bother with intel at all, not sure about the turing and zen 3 thing, never heard of it, just wait for a 3070/3080.

 

If i had to put a generic number on the difference at 1440p, it'd be 10%, the difference between a 3070 and a 3080 at 1440p is about 20%, so that 10% is worth about 100dollars (or if u want, the difference between the 3080 and 3090), but that's just how i think about it, it's not a big deal to some.  If i was to build right now, there's no way i'm going intel. The difference between a 5600x at 4.8 and anything intel is HUGE.

9900k 1.39v 5.2avx 5.0 ring 96C 205w 1.01v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5575 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 15-15-15-33-320-24 ddr4100  bdie 1.5v 45C 1.25sa/1.21io  ll EVGA 2080 ti XC 1995//7600 325w 69C stock voltage (bad ocer) ll  8x nf12/14 fans 2x samsung 860 evo 500gb raid 0 ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll Corsair graphite 780T ll EVGA G2 1300w ll Windows 10 Pro ll NEC PA272w (movie, work mon) 1080p 60hzll Predator X27 4k144 hdr (using at 4:4:4 98 fan is dying)

 

old rig 8600k d15 evga 1080 ti hybrid  z370 extreme 4 2x8gb ddr3866 cl16 512gb nvme evo+ 860 evo 500gb raid 0 evga p2 1000w 

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personally I wouldn´t buy a 6 core CPU i have enough  with my old i5 8400 at 100% all the time while gaming, that could happen even on 6/12, so for me 8 cores is the sweet spot. 9900k/10700k are solid for 1080P.

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19 hours ago, xg32 said:

if you wanna game at 144hz it doesn't matter the resolution, the 5600x is the best choice, i wouldn't bother with intel at all, not sure about the turing and zen 3 thing, never heard of it, just wait for a 3070/3080.

 

If i had to put a generic number on the difference at 1440p, it'd be 10%, the difference between a 3070 and a 3080 at 1440p is about 20%, so that 10% is worth about 100dollars (or if u want, the difference between the 3080 and 3090), but that's just how i think about it, it's not a big deal to some.  If i was to build right now, there's no way i'm going intel. The difference between a 5600x at 4.8 and anything intel is HUGE.

how many 5600x's will hit 4.8ghz all core though? i've only seen two tech people with those kinds of chips, gamersnexus and i think derbauer had one. the rest were 4.6-4.7ghz iirc, which still aint bad. i'd like to see how that would compare to a 5.2ghz 10900k or similar...

 

19 hours ago, EspinalAndres said:

personally I wouldn´t buy a 6 core CPU i have enough  with my old i5 8400 at 100% all the time while gaming, that could happen even on 6/12, so for me 8 cores is the sweet spot. 9900k/10700k are solid for 1080P.

with the 8400's gimped clockspeeds and lack of hyperthreading, it's easy to max out its capabilities. for normal gaming, a 10600k/8700k/3600/5600x is more than enough at any resolution. 

topics i need help on:

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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8 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

how many 5600x's will hit 4.8ghz all core though? i've only seen two tech people with those kinds of chips, gamersnexus and i think derbauer had one. the rest were 4.6-4.7ghz iirc, which still aint bad. i'd like to see how that would compare to a 5.2ghz 10900k or similar...

 

with the 8400's gimped clockspeeds and lack of hyperthreading, it's easy to max out its capabilities. for normal gaming, a 10600k/8700k/3600/5600x is more than enough at any resolution. 

4.6-4.7 is like 6.1ghz intel, obviously it wont all translate to gaming directly, but with ram tuning intel's completely behind now except rdr2

9900k 1.39v 5.2avx 5.0 ring 96C 205w 1.01v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5575 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 15-15-15-33-320-24 ddr4100  bdie 1.5v 45C 1.25sa/1.21io  ll EVGA 2080 ti XC 1995//7600 325w 69C stock voltage (bad ocer) ll  8x nf12/14 fans 2x samsung 860 evo 500gb raid 0 ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll Corsair graphite 780T ll EVGA G2 1300w ll Windows 10 Pro ll NEC PA272w (movie, work mon) 1080p 60hzll Predator X27 4k144 hdr (using at 4:4:4 98 fan is dying)

 

old rig 8600k d15 evga 1080 ti hybrid  z370 extreme 4 2x8gb ddr3866 cl16 512gb nvme evo+ 860 evo 500gb raid 0 evga p2 1000w 

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26 minutes ago, xg32 said:

4.6-4.7 is like 6.1ghz intel, obviously it wont all translate to gaming directly, but with ram tuning intel's completely behind now except rdr2

ah yes, the recipient of gamers nexus' "Best CPU for Red Dead Redemption 2 at 1080p, Medium, with Dx12" :D 

 

probably gonna be a tossup between a 5800x/5900x and a 3900x/9900k/10900k; stock vs overclocked with fancy ram seems to be the same 5-10% difference at 1080p medium, which narrows with lesser gpus and higher resolutions. i can get a 10900k for much less than either zen 3 offering, and the difference between them seems to be less than the difference between zen 2 and intel which most people didn't really care about. everyone seems to have gone from "it's just 5-10%, go amd" to "holy shit it's 5-10%, go amd," and for 100-200 bucks i'll take the tiny performance hit lol

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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3 hours ago, VeganJoy said:

with the 8400's gimped clockspeeds and lack of hyperthreading, it's easy to max out its capabilities. for normal gaming, a 10600k/8700k/3600/5600x is more than enough at any resolution. 

yes, but the i5 10600k can go up to 90% on some games, an instance i just don't want to see anymore.

i7 10700k @ 5.05 Ghz

Corsair H100i pro XT 240mm

MSI z490 tomahawk

16 Gb (2 x 8 GB) Patriot Viper Steel - 4000mhz - 16-16-16-34

MSI 1070TI titanium

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