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PC building is frustrating and tiring..

The feeling when you encounter an issue and you don't know what causes it. The only way to find out is to test different parts individually
but then..
you don't have enough money to buy new parts and unnecessary purchases will only take money from your hard earned student savings
your friends are not into pc building, noone to borrow parts, if there is one, it is not compatible with your system


you take your pc to the repair shop and it works right up the first time the repair man tests it and when you come home it doesn't work again. so basically you paid 20$ for the repairshop to plug your computer

you have 15$ left on your pocket and you dont know wtf to do anymore

man this feeling is so crushing.. getting kinda tired

but hey, you can laugh at me hahaha

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I won't laugh at you.

 

It's not for everyone. Some people do it to have their own customized system tailored to their specific needs. Others do it to save a quick buck and get quality parts and to have that perfect price to performance ratio. There's also those niche people that want the most absurd system worth more than a family car only because they have the money burning a hole in their pocket.

 

But hey, you're on the LTT forum! Tell us about your PC troubles, you've come to the one place that can help :) 

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Well if you list down the symptoms, maybe we can help?

 

Like, any LED? Pictures of the back panel?

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Companies I absolutely adore: (and hope it stays that way)

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Gigabyte: horrible customer service (gigabyte had literally 0 customer service, asked me to go to retailer with NO WAY to email them about a question) but at least they fixed my shit in ONE MONTH (would probably take me 1 hour to fix if they let me email them)

XiaoMi Phones: built like a tank but the software is buggy as all hell

Seagate HDD: had too many dead seagate drives

Kingston SSD: 300V controller swap thingy

Razer (except their mouse)

 

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I'm worried about the same issue which is why i'm going to invest into a motherboard with a post code. Theoretically it should tell whatever is wrong with your system. But yeah we could always help you out troubleshooting. 

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We're not here to laugh at you mate, we're here to help. Well I am anyway.

 

If you tell us what parts you got and any symptoms I'm sure we'll get you up and running.

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20 minutes ago, AllaboutBudget said:

you take your pc to the repair shop and it works right up the first time the repair man tests it and when you come home it doesn't work again. so basically you paid 20$ for the repairshop to plug your computer

Are you sure you plugged it in correctly and the outlet you plugged it into is receiving power? Is your power supply flipped into the on state?

 

I'm confused at how you're dismayed by this. It working in one setting but not the other eliminates a lot of factors.

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Man.. thanks for all the support ❤️ and yes, I have finally know the issue and it is my videocard (rx 570). I then bought a surplus r5 230 online, but got scammed and it is DOA. the last of my money I bought a g530 to atleast use my pc right now using the iGPU because my main processor does not have iGPU. for the meantime I guess this should work for my online classes. 

The parts I bought are all used (except for psu, I bought a bnew one after saving enough) :), because you know, money is hard to earn and I do not come from such rich family.

For the people who wants to know, my system specs:
Xeon e3-1270

Samsung b75s1 mobo

2x4gb kingston ddr3 ram

Corsairvs 450 (gray label)
rx 570

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I won't lie, I got really frustrated with my build when I first built it. (Not powering on due to dead psu, improperly wired front io, possibly incompatible or dead RAM)

but as the cliche saying for everything:

Don't give up

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34 minutes ago, AllaboutBudget said:

but hey, you can laugh at me hahaha

Or I can try to make you laugh. Let's watch this guy struggle with jumpers

 

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If it worked in the shop, and didn't work when you got it home, that tells me that it's something you're doing yourself.

Have you tried a different outlet?

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3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

If it worked in the shop, and didn't work when you got it home, that tells me that it's something you're doing yourself.

Have you tried a different outlet?

yes, tried different outlets like more than 5 of it. removing the gpu and putting the g530 to boot using iGPU solves the power cycle that the computer does when the rx 570 is plugged in.

as for the pc working at the shop, I just thought that it may just be a lucky hit or the last remnant of the computer working as it did not ever again after that. I tried all the troubleshooting that I can possibly do. and it narrowed into videocard and videocard slot. :D 

I have posted my problem in the GPU section (no replies). I can put it here if you want for the full details of the problem :) 

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I built my first computer almost 20 years ago and it was total crap, unstable, barely worked, was awful because I picked all the wrong parts. I've built many since and each time I've gotten better at making sure I get good parts, making sure I route cables nicely, making sure everything is stable and working properly together. I still mess up, but mostly it's software things now. I've been using Linux for almost 15 years now and I still break it all the time. Each time I mess up a learn a little more to dig myself out of the hole easier next time. Little by little I've gotten better. Not gonna lie, money really helps.

 

From 20 years ago to earlier this year building my friend a PC 10 years after I built her first custom built one.

 

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I don't really agree, you just need good planning, get all the parts and then build it... which is essential nothing else but playing Lego with a few electronic parts and cables... 

 

 

I build a millennium falcon as a kid, that was more complicated. 

 

 

and when I build my first pc about 2 years ago, yes, it was a bit tedious because it took way longer than I anticipated, but it was also exciting and fun... my goal was two fold, at least ok cable management, which probably took the most time (around 6 hours in total) and that the thing would boot on first try... because I seriously didn't want to have to deal with troubleshooting after all this work... 

 

 

succeeded in both, cable management is pretty good for a first build and it booted first try too! 

 

 

meanwhile I rebuild this pc a couple of times (trying out another case, cpu swap, countless gpu swaps, cooling... etc...) and the only time it actually didn't boot was after changing out the RAM - which was easily solved by resetting cmos. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, AllaboutBudget said:

you take your pc to the repair shop and it works right up the first time the repair man tests it and when you come home it doesn't work again. so basically you paid 20$ for the repairshop to plug your computer

yeah I get how that's frustrating , though how is that even possible I wonder... 

 

I'm sure if you explain the issue people here can help though. 

 

what is happening when you try to turn it on, nothing at all, or? 

 

I mean something must happen, I suppose, especially since it worked in the repair shop...

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6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah I get how that's frustrating , though how is that even possible I wonder... 

Years back I had a laptop someone gave me from their deceased aunt, it would randomly black screen during use. I poked and prodded but came up empty. Paid someone $50 to look at it, explained when it would be more likely to black screen, they found nothing. I went back at it and ended up finding water damaged RAM pins which I was able to mostly fix. People miss stuff, it happens.

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1 hour ago, AllaboutBudget said:

yes, tried different outlets like more than 5 of it. removing the gpu and putting the g530 to boot using iGPU solves the power cycle that the computer does when the rx 570 is plugged in.

as for the pc working at the shop, I just thought that it may just be a lucky hit or the last remnant of the computer working as it did not ever again after that. I tried all the troubleshooting that I can possibly do. and it narrowed into videocard and videocard slot. :D 

I have posted my problem in the GPU section (no replies). I can put it here if you want for the full details of the problem :) 

Can you simply post a link to the thread here?

 

If the 570 worked at the shop but not when you came home I suspect that due to transport it may have gotten loose from the slot, did you try removing it and putting it back in the slot and make sure the power cables are nice and snug at both the video card and power supply end?

 

1 hour ago, eeeee1 said:

but as the cliche saying for everything:

Don't give up

+1 for truth. Never give up. If you feel you can't fix it and you want to give up, just take a break. Go for a walk or anything that may help you clear your mind. When mind is clear go back and keep trying. Eventually you'll solve it but it's much easier with a clear mind.

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48 minutes ago, aDoomGuy said:

Can you simply post a link to the thread here?

 

If the 570 worked at the shop but not when you came home I suspect that due to transport it may have gotten loose from the slot, did you try removing it and putting it back in the slot and make sure the power cables are nice and snug at both the video card and power supply end?

 

+1 for truth. Never give up. If you feel you can't fix it and you want to give up, just take a break. Go for a walk or anything that may help you clear your mind. When mind is clear go back and keep trying. Eventually you'll solve it but it's much easier with a clear mind.

System specs:
Corsair vs450 (gray unit/label) 1 year old
samsung b75s1 mobo
xeon e3-1270
rx 570
2x4 kingston ddr3 ram

Okay so one night my pc's display turned off and even if the display is turned off, the system is still running so what I did was restart the system, but after restarting, it no longer posts

I resetted the cmos and got it to boot and it worked. ran all the tests I need and it did not show any problems. I did ram test,gpu,cpu stress tests, no error or what so ever. But right after I turned off the pc, it wont boot again. and up until today, it still does not work.

Things I have done:
tried different PSU, same result. power cycles when rx 570 is inserted
I bought a new gpu (r5 230). still no display. dont really know if the one i bought is DOA
right now I bought a celeron g530 and it boot right up using the iGPU

Now, when I plug the RX 570, it will cause a power cycle.
When plugging the r5 230 in, pc no display.

dont know if my pcie slot is defective or the gpus are shot?

please shed some light on possible causes.

here is text from my other post :)

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Cheers,

 

I would advice you to test the 570 in another system too see if it behaves the same but judging by your first post it doesn't seem to be possible. It might be that the GPU is shot, if it was tested on another system and displayed the same behavior there that would be a clue.

If you put it in the slot and connect it, you power on the PC. The display will remain black and the PC will restart? No beeps? No nothing?

 

Well I tried to find some info about your motherboard. It appears that it only has PCIe 2.0 x4 and 570 prefer 3.0 or above but I'm not sure if that may be the reason of your problems either..... I can't remember what cards used 2.0 bus but regardless as far as I know the card should work even if it is limited by the bus.. Tell you what, try tagging some of the folk that replied to the thread earlier and ask them what they think (put a @ and start typing their usernames). 

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hardest thing about being new is not having test parts.

I got enough DDR2-DRR4, 4 video cards, some 10 working boards+CPUs and a few spare PSUs so I can test any single part

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First stage, have enough money to build a computer, that means troubleshoot and buy other parts too, clearly had no reserves left.

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There's a reason why 99% of computer users prefer to buy prebuilt PCs or go with Apple. It's the same reason why people prefer to pay a plumber to deal with simple tasks such as replacing a siphon: they need it to "just work" and have no interest in the inner workings of computers and sinks, let alone how to customize them. 

 

I'm sorry you had such a bad PC building experience. Unfortunately, that's always a risk when you DIY anything. If you can't accept that and have no way to deal with it when it occurs, you may be better off with a prebuilt. 

 

Also, fuck used hardware. Always some problems with it. 

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8 hours ago, Gundar said:

I'm worried about the same issue which is why i'm going to invest into a motherboard with a post code. Theoretically it should tell whatever is wrong with your system. But yeah we could always help you out troubleshooting. 

Have you ever heard about motherboard speakers?

They are as useful as debug LEDs.

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8 hours ago, AllaboutBudget said:

The feeling when you encounter an issue and you don't know what causes it. The only way to find out is to test different parts individually
but then..

I always find the cause of the issue.

8 hours ago, AllaboutBudget said:

you don't have enough money to buy new parts and unnecessary purchases will only take money from your hard earned student savings
your friends are not into pc building, noone to borrow parts, if there is one, it is not compatible with your system

As someone who has been a PC enthusiast for a long time i have acquired a lot of older hardware:

Lots of hard drives,power supplies,RAM DIMMs,GPUs,CPUs,motherboards and fans so troubleshooting such problems are no problem for me.

In the beginning when i had nothing,i pinpointed the problem by the symptoms and with help from a motherboard speaker.

9 hours ago, AllaboutBudget said:

you take your pc to the repair shop and it works right up the first time the repair man tests it and when you come home it doesn't work again. so basically you paid 20$ for the repairshop to plug your computer

Could be the display,the display cable,display cable connected to the wrong place,the power and wiring in your house,or other variables.

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9 hours ago, AllaboutBudget said:

The feeling when you encounter an issue and you don't know what causes it. The only way to find out is to test different parts individually
but then..
you don't have enough money to buy new parts and unnecessary purchases will only take money from your hard earned student savings
your friends are not into pc building, noone to borrow parts, if there is one, it is not compatible with your system


you take your pc to the repair shop and it works right up the first time the repair man tests it and when you come home it doesn't work again. so basically you paid 20$ for the repairshop to plug your computer

you have 15$ left on your pocket and you dont know wtf to do anymore

man this feeling is so crushing.. getting kinda tired

but hey, you can laugh at me hahaha

Not really, most motherboards have either debug leds or beeps with a speaker. After that you can generally work your way through some errors like RAM when you can just try with one stick in each slot. 

Dirty Windows Peasants :P ?

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9 hours ago, AllaboutBudget said:

The feeling when you encounter an issue and you don't know what causes it. The only way to find out is to test different parts individually
but then..
you don't have enough money to buy new parts and unnecessary purchases will only take money from your hard earned student savings
your friends are not into pc building, noone to borrow parts, if there is one, it is not compatible with your system

yeah. Microcenter needs a shop near me, and a We'll Lend You a Part To See What's The Problem station.

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