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Youtube making ads non-optional, will not pay non-partners

10 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

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I actually find AdGuard to be much better. Easier to set that incredibly clunky uBlock with really stupid default list selection which I don't like at all. Plus, AdGuard has Stealth Mode which features few extra privacy features. I didn't like AdGuard before, but it's actually really nice.

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Youtube/google just being themselves...

I have a strong feeling many people won't take kindly to this and will find alternative platforms.

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14 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

@Sauron

I actually find AdGuard to be much better. Easier to set that incredibly clunky uBlock with really stupid default list selection which I don't like at all. Plus, AdGuard has Stealth Mode which features few extra privacy features. I didn't like AdGuard before, but it's actually really nice.

I don't know a lot about ad blockers, but do these actually block youtube ads too?

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1 hour ago, steelo said:

I don't know a lot about ad blockers, but do these actually block youtube ads too?

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Note: it only blocks banner ads. It doesn't stop spliced-in ads in the stream.

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1 hour ago, steelo said:

I don't know a lot about ad blockers, but do these actually block youtube ads too?

Yes, they do.

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1 hour ago, Sauron said:

ublock if foss, unintrusive and it works. don't really care about anything else personally

Just because something is open source it doesn't mean it's the best. I absolutely hate uBlock's dumb stock selection of pre-enabled lists that make no sense at all and interface is so clunky and clumsy and its dev is quite stubborn when it comes to practicality and ease of use and just assumes everyone's an expert. And all I asked him about was adding simple text labels to indicate Local and Remote blockers in interactive modes. Which are literally label-less fields to click on. Who designs anything this way and then argues it's already "perfect"? I was genuinely shocked he was actually arguing the request.

I don't find AdGuard any slower, but it's just sooooo much more convenient and friendly to configure and stock lists actually aren't stupid. I don'ot know why I was avoiding it and insisting with uBlock. Just to one day find out it's just so much better.

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9 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Just because something is open source it doesn't mean it's the best.

Maybe not but at least it wont have nasty surprises hidden inside.... (unlike a closed source SW where you can only hope that the dev tells the truth and he/she is not a scumbag)

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4 hours ago, StDragon said:

"The beating will continue until morale improves" -Youtube

Laughs in adblock and Youtube Vanced.

I still laugh at the Youtube app. You want to charge me to keep a video playing when my phone is locked?

Get. F**ked.

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8 hours ago, StDragon said:

"The beating will continue until morale improves" -Youtube

8 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I don't like being friendly to ads.

This is pretty much it, just more censorship...聽

7 hours ago, steelo said:

Youtube/google just being themselves...

I have a strong feeling many people won't take kindly to this and will find alternative platforms.

Well I agree with the first part, the second part is unlikely, because there are no alternatives, youtube / google / alphabet inc made sure of that, if one crops up they'll just buy it.聽

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Here's an important question IMO. is it even legal in all parts of the world for Google to make money off someone else work without paying them? Yes i'm sure Google has put certain things in Youtube's terms of service, but those won't necessarily be legal everywhere.

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Thankfully in Indonesia we get great family plan for YT premium

Considering the amount of hours we spend on YT, definitely worth spending the money

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11 hours ago, Ashley xD said:

even more ads? youtube interrupts video's every 5 to 10 minutes to play ads in my experience, which is super annoying. i'm a big believer in supporting creators, so i don't enable adblock on it, but it's getting ever more tempting. having your video randomly interrupted for an ad every 5 or 10 minutes when you watch a lot of long content (30 minutes or longer) like me, it gets super annoying.聽

Considering that advertisers implement tracking into their ads there is no way that i will let that code run.

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8 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

Maybe not but at least it wont have nasty surprises hidden inside.... (unlike a closed source SW where you can only hope that the dev tells the truth and he/she is not a scumbag)

Neither you do in open source code unless you review it personally. Relying on others to point it out for you is a moot point. People who are experts in security or privacy will do that in closed source code too.

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On 11/19/2020 at 4:26 PM, Fasauceome said:

Youtube then:

"We can't run ads on certain content because it hurts the brand image of the advertiser"

Youtube now:

"Sike"

Hmm, seems like the simple fix is to make sure your videos are always "not advertiser friendly" whatever that entails.

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4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Relying on others to point it out for you is a moot point.

Its still better than a closed source app where you cant even decrypt what it sends......

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I heard someone give an opposing opinion that actually made a lot of sense.

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"Gonna play devil's advocate and say that YouTube is providing a place for people to upload unlimited videos w/o having to pay a single cent. I have an account where I upload videos for archive. The videos get no views. Someone/something's gotta pay for that storage space."

I still think people should some autonomy in playing ads on their videos, especially if it's sensitive content.

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On 11/19/2020 at 11:33 PM, Dissitesuxba11s said:

YouTube has ads?

*Checks adblocker is still on*

Yea it doesn't.

Sorry I have nothing productive to add to the conversation.

Indeed.

i have adblocker on my PC, but my TV doesnt. I really should get a Pi-Hole but its the family TV and im "not allowed to mess with it" :P

Its so infuriating that over the past year or so the number and length of unskipable adds has increased.

So glad adblock still works on PC.

Im all for creators actually recording adds into their videos, its an income after all, but the automated adds are just obnoxious.

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A while ago YouTube had an amount of ads on the videos I saw that I found acceptable, aka only short or skipable after 5 sec ads at the beginning or total end of the video.

But recently when YouTube have put more non skipable ads and ads in middle of the videos automatically (without youtuber spesifically doing it) it have become too much for me and I will probably be turning on and blocker on YouTube soon.

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2 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

Its still better than a closed source app where you cant even decrypt what it sends......

Then how come everyone manages to find stuff in iOS, MacOS, Windows, MS Office and bunch of other stuff that's not open source, yet it's a very common thing?

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It's just so fucking insane, honestly; we need a real competitor to Youtube but the problem is that there's no way for anybody but a big player to be able to support the infrastructure necessary to competently compete against Youtube.

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On 11/19/2020 at 6:26 PM, Fasauceome said:

Youtube then:

"We can't run ads on certain content because it hurts the brand image of the advertiser"

Youtube now:

"Sike"

This is exactly what I was thinking about. Sure they can do whatever they want with their platform also since the platform is free...but I thought the reason these ppl weren't monetized was because they didn't meet their criteria...sooooo do we not care about the criteria anymore....or if the ads are on things they don't agree with? Or did they finally do what they should have done, and educated advertisers that just because an ad is before a video, the audience knows "that" ad is not some endorsement by the advertisers or the channel respectively.

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10 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Then how come everyone manages to find stuff in iOS, MacOS, Windows, MS Office and bunch of other stuff that's not open source, yet it's a very common thing?

Large numbers of people throwing large numbers of money and man hours at somthing plus they don;t allways find them especially quickly.

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