M1 Mac mini's with 10Gb ethernet listed in internal repair database

[Gymnastboatman]

M1 Mac mini's with 10Gb ethernet listed in internal repair database 

 

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While the new Mac mini with the M1 chip is only available with Gigabit Ethernet, Apple has listed multiple M1-based Mac mini logic boards with 10 Gigabit Ethernet in an internal parts list for Apple Authorized Service Providers.

 

 

Linus just may get his wish after all. I suspected we might have to wait for an M1X Mac mini to get 10Gb but it looks like Apple is at least considering bolting 10Gb onto the M1 somehow. Here's hoping it will come out this year. There is a rumor about some sort of "Apple surprise" in December.....

 

Sources

 https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/20/apple-m1-mac-mini-10gb-ethernet-parts-list/

[themacmeister]

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/20/apple-m1-mac-mini-10gb-ethernet-parts-list/

 

10Gb ethernet for M1 Mac Mini ?????

[emosun]

Yea so

[dizmo]

Probably for a future, yet to be released model. Maybe they'll come out with a Pro version or something.

 

9 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yea so

It was the one thing he kept hammering it on, aside from expandable memory.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

t was the one thing he kept hammering it on, aside from expandable memory

Yeah but it's a mac mini what's 10gb going to do when the entire planets internet infrastructure is garbage anyway. 

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah but it's a mac mini what's 10gb going to do when the entire planets internet infrastructure is garbage anyway. 

Because locally you might have 10Gb switching capability and external storage. Zero people wanting or talking about 10Gb are thinking about internet use cases at all. 10Gb is also found on existing Intel Mac Mini's.

[Spotty]

27 minutes ago, themacmeister said:

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/20/apple-m1-mac-mini-10gb-ethernet-parts-list/

 

10Gb ethernet for M1 Mac Mini ?????

Post has been merged with the existing discussion thread.

 

8 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah but it's a mac mini what's 10gb going to do when the entire planets internet infrastructure is garbage anyway. 

Local network. LMG has 10gig around the office and is used for the editors to access their file server. They also have a dedicated 5gbps(?) fibre link to their ISP. They already use 10gig networking on their PCs, including their older mac mini's they use. Linus was disappointed that the new macs didn't have 10g networking options.

Just because you don't have a use for something doesn't mean other people don't.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Because locally you might have 10Gb switching capability and external storage. Zero people wanting or talking about 10Gb are thinking about internet use cases at all. 10Gb is also found on existing Intel Mac Mini's.

Yeah but nobody is transfering something to a mac mini at 10gb per second. Or any pc for that matter less your sending a single jpg from two pcie ssds.

 

I mean if you really want that first 100mbs of file to look like its transfering fast before it eventually runs out of cache and starts transfering just as slowly as it normally would then sure.... 10gb then

[emosun]

4 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Just because you don't have a use for something doesn't mean other people don't.

The irony of that statement. Let me just soak it in

[Roswell]

7 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah but nobody is transfering something to a mac mini at 10gb per second. Or any pc for that matter less your sending a single jpg from two pcie ssds.

 

I mean if you really want that first 100mbs of file to look like its transfering fast before it eventually runs out of cache and starts transfering just as slowly as it normally would then sure.... 10gb then

I... what? Plenty of people use 10Gbit networking. Not everyone uses their computers to play games. Some people use them for professional reasons...

 

I routinely use 10Gbit networking to transfer large files over my network as well as downloads from the internet since I have 2Gbit fiber.

 

And you’re wrong on SSD speeds. Decent NVMe drives can handle north of 2.5GB/s sustained which would require something like 30Gbit networking to saturate.

[Derkoli]

5 minutes ago, emosun said:

The irony of that statement. Let me just soak it in

Not really ironic.

 

I sure as hell don't have a use for a space rocket, but NASA does.

 

Some people absolutely require 10gb internet.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, Derkoli said:

Not really ironic.

 

I sure as hell don't have a use for a space rocket, but NASA does.

 

Some people absolutely require 10gb internet.

I typed a long thing but am just gonna not say it lol

[dizmo]

25 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah but it's a mac mini what's 10gb going to do when the entire planets internet infrastructure is garbage anyway. 

Yeah your guess is as good as mine. It seemed like an odd thing to nitpick over....I can't really see a ton of Mac Mini users needing 10g networking.

Seems like one of those times where Linus sees his niche need disappearing, and forgets that the average person that's watching the review doesn't care about 10g networking. The classic reviewer dilemma. They see tons of tech on a regular basis and lose touch with the average consumer.

 

19 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Post has been merged with the existing discussion thread.

 

Local network. LMG has 10gig around the office and is used for the editors to access their file server. They also have a dedicated 5gbps(?) fibre link to their ISP. They already use 10gig networking on their PCs, including their older mac mini's they use. Linus was disappointed that the new macs didn't have 10g networking options.

 

Just because you don't have a use for something doesn't mean other people don't.

I mean. I get what you're saying. But at the same time, I really don't think it's a huge problem for most purchasers of a Mac Mini.

9 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

I... what? Plenty of people use 10Gbit networking. Not everyone uses their computers to play games. Some people use them for professional reasons...

I routinely use 10Gbit networking to transfer large files over my network as well as downloads from the internet since I have 2Gbit fiber.

And you’re wrong on SSD speeds. Decent NVMe drives can handle north of 2.5GB/s sustained which would require something like 30Gbit networking to saturate.

Would you really do that with a Mac Mini, though?
I'm going to assume you also realize that just because you do it and a lot of people on here do, that doesn't mean that a lot of people in general do, or that the market they're targeting with the Mac Mini does.

8 minutes ago, Derkoli said:

Not really ironic.

 

I sure as hell don't have a use for a space rocket, but NASA does.

 

Some people absolutely require 10gb internet.

Pretty sure NASA isn't using Mac Minis...

[emosun]

8 minutes ago, dizmo said:

 

Yeah . That

[Roswell]

11 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Would you really do that with a Mac Mini, though?
I'm going to assume you also realize that just because you do it and a lot of people on here do, that doesn't mean that a lot of people in general do, or that the market they're targeting with the Mac Mini does.

They’re pretty popular in the creative professional space. They definitely target professionals with them too as they (at the time of 8th gen Intel) had high end 6 core i7s, up to 64GB of RAM, NVMe storage, 10Gbit, eGPU support, etc. 

 

Regardless, the ignorant statement that I was replying to said that nobody needs 10Gbit networking because the world’s internet infrastructure sucks. It was nonsensical and had nothing to do with Mac Minis.

[Spotty]

26 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah but nobody is transfering something to a mac mini at 10gb per second. Or any pc for that matter less your sending a single jpg from two pcie ssds.

 

I mean if you really want that first 100mbs of file to look like its transfering fast before it eventually runs out of cache and starts transfering just as slowly as it normally would then sure.... 10gb then

LMG uses several intel based mac minis (with 10gig networking) to ingest the raw footage from their red cameras. Something about the macOS software working better. The footage gets sent to their NVMe SSD NAS, which is where the editors edit the videos from over 10gig networking to their editing systems.

LMG absolutely utilises 10gig networking in their production.

 

8 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I mean. I get what you're saying. But at the same time, I really don't think it's a huge problem for most purchasers of a Mac Mini.

The posts were merged, but the discussion stemmed from a post directly addressing LTT (titled "Linus needs to see this !!!"). LTT already use 10gig Intel based Mac Minis in their production and the thing stopping them from considering switching to the ARM based Mac Mini's was the lack of 10gig networking available on those models. This news rumours that there will be 10gig models of the ARM based Mac Minis coming soon.

No-one is arguing that everyone needs 10gig networking, and there's always the already released Mac Mini with 1gig networking for those people, but to suggest that no-one needs it and that 10gig networking serves no purpose other than to "transfer a single jpg" or because "the entire planets internet infrastructure is garbage" is naive.

[emosun]

I like that I iterated @dizmo nailed it on the head, but in order to make their points they specifically needed to ignore that and take my post as if...........

 

Edit: Ima just stop there again. Typing out my multi paragraph rant then deleting it really does help keep me in the zen zone. Lol

[dizmo]

19 minutes ago, emosun said:

I like that I iterated @dizmo nailed it on the head, but in order to make their points they specifically needed to ignore that and take my post as if...........

 

Edit: Ima just stop there again. Typing out my multi paragraph rant then deleting it really does help keep me in the zen zone. Lol

But...if you don't finish your post how will you live up to your title?

[Guest]

Welp, glad to see it coming.

As someone who works on 10 gigabit networks daily, glad to see it as an option on more and more things.

Especially devices where it cannot be easily added later with a PCIe card.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, emosun said:

Yeah but nobody is transfering something to a mac mini at 10gb per second. Or any pc for that matter less your sending a single jpg from two pcie ssds.

Yea they do, a lot of people do. Not just video editors too. You certainly do not need PCIe SSDs to have seq 1GB/s either, HDDs in a server can do that just fine.

 

Mac Mini's are used outside of personal home computers.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

I mean. I get what you're saying. But at the same time, I really don't think it's a huge problem for most purchasers of a Mac Mini.

Most Mac Mini users not needing it doesn't make it not a problem. Whether it's 0.1%, 1% or 10% of Mac Mini buyers they still need that 10Gb interface so you'll get no support from these buyers by saying what you are. Needs don't go away by the removal of it or talking about how small the scope of need is, it still exists.

 

Mac Mini's are also the most widely used model for servers to manage Mac devices on a network, so popular Apple used to sell Mac Mini Server bundles. Apple stopped doing that in 2014 and also started killing of Mac OS server altogether, horrible move and glad I'm not in a role where the affects me anymore.

 

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In 2018, coinciding with macOS Mojave, Apple shipped macOS Server version 5.71, which stopped bundling open source services, including DHCP, DNS, Email, Firewall, FTP, Radius, VPN, Web, and Wiki. Apple states that customers are able to receive support for these services directly from open-source providers. Other Apple-proprietary services, such as Airport, Calendar, Contacts, Messages, and Netboot were also removed, with no corresponding open source options

 Apple doing their utmost best to annoy business customers.

 

[Fnige]

12 hours ago, Gymnastboatman said:

M1 Mac mini's with 10Gb ethernet listed in internal repair database 

 

pog

[emosun]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

 

 

Inner peace

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[emosun]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

But...if you don't finish your post how will you live up to your title?

At this point im pretty sure its just bait and I have to stop biting

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Most Mac Mini users not needing it doesn't make it not a problem. Whether it's 0.1%, 1% or 10% of Mac Mini buyers they still need that 10Gb interface so you'll get no support from these buyers by saying what you are. Needs don't go away by the removal of it or talking about how small the scope of need is, it still exists.

 

Mac Mini's are also the most widely used model for servers to manage Mac devices on a network, so popular Apple used to sell Mac Mini Server bundles. Apple stopped doing that in 2014 and also started killing of Mac OS server altogether, horrible move and glad I'm not in a role where the affects me anymore.

 

 Apple doing their utmost best to annoy business customers.

Kind of. Depends how they're marketing the product. If they've decided they'd rather have professional users go towards their other, more expensive offerings, then getting rid of the 10g connection is a way to do that. Just because you can use a product for something, doesn't mean that's how the company intended it; I could buy, for example, an entry level mountain bike and race with it, but that company would prefer I buy something higher up the tier.

 

Which, really, with the information you've provided, sounds like the way they're going.

 

3 minutes ago, emosun said:

At this point im pretty sure its just bait and I have to stop biting

Haha, perhaps, perhaps.