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Would this RAM be compatible? Is it B-Die?

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12 hours ago, Glaceon said:

Looking to upgrade my ram to 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v. The model number is F4-3600C16Q-32GTZN. My CPU is a 3900X.

This kit is Samsung B-Die, correct?

And anybody know if it will work with a ROG Strix B550-F? There are no B550 boards listed for this RAM on the G.Skill configurator and that worries me.

Yes that is likely samsung B-die.

Yes it should work.
I have the RGB version of that kit and used it with a 3600

 

HOWEVER, I helped someone with that exact board a few days ago and found searching for it that for some reason it doesnt allow XMP profiles to be used.  Timings have to be entered manually.  So I'd choose a different board if you're not OCing it as you said below.
 

 

12 hours ago, Glaceon said:

I don't want to OC my RAM. I just want it to run at the speeds I paid for.

If it doesn't post first try and it isn't stable I guess I'll raise SoC to 1.15 and DRAM to 1.4

There's a very, very high chance this will just be plug and play

The B-die that comes in Trident Z 3600 16-16-16 is some really high binned stuff with a lot of headroom.

I got my kit to 3600 CL14 at 1.375 volts.  Just a .025 increase over stock.  I needed 1.42 volts for CL12.

Also SOC and RAM have very little to do with each other voltage wise, with some exceptions once you get into the finer aspects of OCing.  But SOC is mainly used for make IF stable while RAM voltage is mainly used well, for RAM.  You can even get into bus termination and use higher ProcODT sometimes to use lower voltages.

 

12 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Very High chance you'll need to go up from stock voltage, AMD only advertises like 3200mhz stock I think

 

I'd very much expect highly binned samsung B-die to be able to do it's stock XMP profile (1.35 volts).  In my limited tests (before I started OCing) with a very similar kit, I was able to get the stock XMP profile stable undervolted @ 1.27 volts. 
The 3200 thing was Zen+ and Zen.  Zen 2 can go to 3800 generally while keeping IF 1:1, while the earlier ones were limited to 3200 unless you decoupled the IF, and sometimes not even then because of IMC.

Looking to upgrade my ram to 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v. The model number is F4-3600C16Q-32GTZN. My CPU is a 3900X.

This kit is Samsung B-Die, correct?

And anybody know if it will work with a ROG Strix B550-F? There are no B550 boards listed for this RAM on the G.Skill configurator and that worries me.

My PC specs:

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  • CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X (Stock, CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores enabled, Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, AMD Chipset Driver Ver. 2.10.13.408)
  • CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
  • Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H2
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio (Driver Ver. 461.09)
  • RAM: 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36-52-324
  • Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix B550-F (BIOS Ver. 1401, AGESA 1.1.8.0)
  • PSU: Corsair CX 650 2017 80+ Bronze Non-Modular
  • Storage: 1x 500 GB Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1x SanDisk X400 512 GB SSD + 2x Crucial MX500 1 TB SSD
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX Black
  • Airflow: 3x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 High-Speed 140mm PWM, 2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust
  • Displays: 1x 1440p144 ASUS TUF VG27AQ, 1x 1080p75 LG 22MP68VQ-P
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.746
  • Mouse: ASUS ROG Chakram
  • Mousepad: Razer Goliathus Chroma Extended
  • Keyboard: ASUS ROG Strix Flare Cherry MX Red RGB
  • Headphones: HyperX Cloud Stinger

 

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11 minutes ago, Glaceon said:

 

the motherboard doesn't matter outside of picking one for better memory overclocking

 

Probably just check the latest buildzoid RAM video for a general idea on the state of things.

 

and you'll probably have to up your SoC voltage and RAM voltage when you get it
 


 

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

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10 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

the motherboard doesn't matter outside of picking one for better memory overclocking

 

Probably just check the latest buildzoid RAM video for a general idea on the state of things.

 

and you'll probably have to up your SoC voltage and RAM voltage when you get it
 


 

Sure, what's are safe voltages for both? My SoC voltage is currently at 1.1

My PC specs:

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  • CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X (Stock, CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores enabled, Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, AMD Chipset Driver Ver. 2.10.13.408)
  • CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
  • Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H2
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio (Driver Ver. 461.09)
  • RAM: 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36-52-324
  • Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix B550-F (BIOS Ver. 1401, AGESA 1.1.8.0)
  • PSU: Corsair CX 650 2017 80+ Bronze Non-Modular
  • Storage: 1x 500 GB Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1x SanDisk X400 512 GB SSD + 2x Crucial MX500 1 TB SSD
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX Black
  • Airflow: 3x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 High-Speed 140mm PWM, 2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust
  • Displays: 1x 1440p144 ASUS TUF VG27AQ, 1x 1080p75 LG 22MP68VQ-P
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.746
  • Mouse: ASUS ROG Chakram
  • Mousepad: Razer Goliathus Chroma Extended
  • Keyboard: ASUS ROG Strix Flare Cherry MX Red RGB
  • Headphones: HyperX Cloud Stinger

 

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13 minutes ago, Glaceon said:

Sure, what's are safe voltages for both? My SoC voltage is currently at 1.1

Don't want to say in case of degradation

1.2V max for SOC, 1.5V daily for the RAM seems to be what google says.
 

I use 1.18V for the SoC, 1.48V for the RAM to hit 3600mhz on an R5 3600, you can also always try for 3800mhz/1900 IF clock, but you need to raise some other voltage along with the SoC one and need a near golden chip for that.

Just make sure you don't accidentally put 1.8V SoC....the motherboard should prevent booting that or just outright limit it anyways.

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

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what monitor resolution/refresh rate?

 

What games or other software do you need to run?

 

 

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I don't want to OC my RAM. I just want it to run at the speeds I paid for.

If it doesn't post first try and it isn't stable I guess I'll raise SoC to 1.15 and DRAM to 1.4

My PC specs:

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  • CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X (Stock, CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores enabled, Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, AMD Chipset Driver Ver. 2.10.13.408)
  • CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
  • Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H2
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio (Driver Ver. 461.09)
  • RAM: 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36-52-324
  • Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix B550-F (BIOS Ver. 1401, AGESA 1.1.8.0)
  • PSU: Corsair CX 650 2017 80+ Bronze Non-Modular
  • Storage: 1x 500 GB Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1x SanDisk X400 512 GB SSD + 2x Crucial MX500 1 TB SSD
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX Black
  • Airflow: 3x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 High-Speed 140mm PWM, 2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust
  • Displays: 1x 1440p144 ASUS TUF VG27AQ, 1x 1080p75 LG 22MP68VQ-P
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.746
  • Mouse: ASUS ROG Chakram
  • Mousepad: Razer Goliathus Chroma Extended
  • Keyboard: ASUS ROG Strix Flare Cherry MX Red RGB
  • Headphones: HyperX Cloud Stinger

 

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1 minute ago, Glaceon said:

I don't want to OC my RAM. I just want it to run at the speeds I paid for.

If it doesn't post first try and it isn't stable I guess I'll raise SoC to 1.15 and DRAM to 1.4

Very High chance you'll need to go up from stock voltage, AMD only advertises like 3200mhz stock I think

 

lowest voltage the better naturally.

 

You'll want to grab memtest pro if you really want to test stability and let it run overnight sometime.

 

Although if you're buying all this stuff new ryzen 5000 is a decent step up.

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

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What is your budget/country for your new PC?

 

what monitor resolution/refresh rate?

 

What games or other software do you need to run?

 

 

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I should also mention I am currently using 2x 16GB Ripjaws V 3600 16-19-19-39. Stock voltages, XMP on. That's it. Stable.

 

Why am I getting essentially the same thing but with two more sticks and better timings? Don't worry about it.

 

Anyway, yeah, this kit runs fine. I'm just not sure how it's gonna deal with 4 sticks instead of 2 and tighter timings.

My PC specs:

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  • CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X (Stock, CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores enabled, Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, AMD Chipset Driver Ver. 2.10.13.408)
  • CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
  • Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H2
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio (Driver Ver. 461.09)
  • RAM: 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36-52-324
  • Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix B550-F (BIOS Ver. 1401, AGESA 1.1.8.0)
  • PSU: Corsair CX 650 2017 80+ Bronze Non-Modular
  • Storage: 1x 500 GB Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1x SanDisk X400 512 GB SSD + 2x Crucial MX500 1 TB SSD
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX Black
  • Airflow: 3x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 High-Speed 140mm PWM, 2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust
  • Displays: 1x 1440p144 ASUS TUF VG27AQ, 1x 1080p75 LG 22MP68VQ-P
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.746
  • Mouse: ASUS ROG Chakram
  • Mousepad: Razer Goliathus Chroma Extended
  • Keyboard: ASUS ROG Strix Flare Cherry MX Red RGB
  • Headphones: HyperX Cloud Stinger

 

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12 hours ago, Glaceon said:

Looking to upgrade my ram to 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v. The model number is F4-3600C16Q-32GTZN. My CPU is a 3900X.

This kit is Samsung B-Die, correct?

And anybody know if it will work with a ROG Strix B550-F? There are no B550 boards listed for this RAM on the G.Skill configurator and that worries me.

Yes that is likely samsung B-die.

Yes it should work.
I have the RGB version of that kit and used it with a 3600

 

HOWEVER, I helped someone with that exact board a few days ago and found searching for it that for some reason it doesnt allow XMP profiles to be used.  Timings have to be entered manually.  So I'd choose a different board if you're not OCing it as you said below.
 

 

12 hours ago, Glaceon said:

I don't want to OC my RAM. I just want it to run at the speeds I paid for.

If it doesn't post first try and it isn't stable I guess I'll raise SoC to 1.15 and DRAM to 1.4

There's a very, very high chance this will just be plug and play

The B-die that comes in Trident Z 3600 16-16-16 is some really high binned stuff with a lot of headroom.

I got my kit to 3600 CL14 at 1.375 volts.  Just a .025 increase over stock.  I needed 1.42 volts for CL12.

Also SOC and RAM have very little to do with each other voltage wise, with some exceptions once you get into the finer aspects of OCing.  But SOC is mainly used for make IF stable while RAM voltage is mainly used well, for RAM.  You can even get into bus termination and use higher ProcODT sometimes to use lower voltages.

 

12 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Very High chance you'll need to go up from stock voltage, AMD only advertises like 3200mhz stock I think

 

I'd very much expect highly binned samsung B-die to be able to do it's stock XMP profile (1.35 volts).  In my limited tests (before I started OCing) with a very similar kit, I was able to get the stock XMP profile stable undervolted @ 1.27 volts. 
The 3200 thing was Zen+ and Zen.  Zen 2 can go to 3800 generally while keeping IF 1:1, while the earlier ones were limited to 3200 unless you decoupled the IF, and sometimes not even then because of IMC.

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On 11/19/2020 at 12:08 PM, terminalinfinity said:

Yes that is likely samsung B-die.

Yes it should work.
I have the RGB version of that kit and used it with a 3600

 

HOWEVER, I helped someone with that exact board a few days ago and found searching for it that for some reason it doesnt allow XMP profiles to be used.  Timings have to be entered manually.  So I'd choose a different board if you're not OCing it as you said below.
 

 

There's a very, very high chance this will just be plug and play

The B-die that comes in Trident Z 3600 16-16-16 is some really high binned stuff with a lot of headroom.

I got my kit to 3600 CL14 at 1.375 volts.  Just a .025 increase over stock.  I needed 1.42 volts for CL12.

Also SOC and RAM have very little to do with each other voltage wise, with some exceptions once you get into the finer aspects of OCing.  But SOC is mainly used for make IF stable while RAM voltage is mainly used well, for RAM.  You can even get into bus termination and use higher ProcODT sometimes to use lower voltages.

 

I'd very much expect highly binned samsung B-die to be able to do it's stock XMP profile (1.35 volts).  In my limited tests (before I started OCing) with a very similar kit, I was able to get the stock XMP profile stable undervolted @ 1.27 volts. 
The 3200 thing was Zen+ and Zen.  Zen 2 can go to 3800 generally while keeping IF 1:1, while the earlier ones were limited to 3200 unless you decoupled the IF, and sometimes not even then because of IMC.

Thank you for your answer.

 

I already have the Strix board and it's the best board I ever owned, so I can't really replace it. If I have to set my timings manually, so be it.

 

I do hope it's going to be plug and play, as you said.

 

I also don't want to OC my IF past 1800 and RAM past 3600, so is 3600 16-16-16-36 @ 1800 IF clock good enough for my 3900X?
That big of a difference between IF 1800 and 1900?

I had only bad experiences with RAM OCs, and they're not my forte, so I'd rather not do it.

My PC specs:

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  • CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X (Stock, CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores enabled, Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, AMD Chipset Driver Ver. 2.10.13.408)
  • CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
  • Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H2
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio (Driver Ver. 461.09)
  • RAM: 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36-52-324
  • Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix B550-F (BIOS Ver. 1401, AGESA 1.1.8.0)
  • PSU: Corsair CX 650 2017 80+ Bronze Non-Modular
  • Storage: 1x 500 GB Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1x SanDisk X400 512 GB SSD + 2x Crucial MX500 1 TB SSD
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX Black
  • Airflow: 3x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 High-Speed 140mm PWM, 2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust
  • Displays: 1x 1440p144 ASUS TUF VG27AQ, 1x 1080p75 LG 22MP68VQ-P
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.746
  • Mouse: ASUS ROG Chakram
  • Mousepad: Razer Goliathus Chroma Extended
  • Keyboard: ASUS ROG Strix Flare Cherry MX Red RGB
  • Headphones: HyperX Cloud Stinger

 

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On 11/19/2020 at 12:08 PM, terminalinfinity said:

Yes that is likely samsung B-die.

 

There's a very, very high chance this will just be plug and play

You sir were correct on both. The RAM worked first try, am using it right now. It is indeed B-die:

 

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My PC specs:

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  • CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X (Stock, CPPC & CPPC Preferred Cores enabled, Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, AMD Chipset Driver Ver. 2.10.13.408)
  • CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
  • Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H2
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio (Driver Ver. 461.09)
  • RAM: 4x 8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36-52-324
  • Mobo: ASUS ROG Strix B550-F (BIOS Ver. 1401, AGESA 1.1.8.0)
  • PSU: Corsair CX 650 2017 80+ Bronze Non-Modular
  • Storage: 1x 500 GB Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1x SanDisk X400 512 GB SSD + 2x Crucial MX500 1 TB SSD
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX Black
  • Airflow: 3x be quiet! Pure Wings 2 High-Speed 140mm PWM, 2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust
  • Displays: 1x 1440p144 ASUS TUF VG27AQ, 1x 1080p75 LG 22MP68VQ-P
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.746
  • Mouse: ASUS ROG Chakram
  • Mousepad: Razer Goliathus Chroma Extended
  • Keyboard: ASUS ROG Strix Flare Cherry MX Red RGB
  • Headphones: HyperX Cloud Stinger

 

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