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AMD Launch- Another lack of product

Forgive me if this has been discussed somewhere else but it seems that after all this time, AMDs launch has gone the same way as NVIDIAs with some retailers even going so far as saying they aren't even accepting back orders. Seeing as Twitter is a firestorm right now, I just want to ask the question as a layman- why are launches being bungled so badly? 

 

 

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Welcome to any new piece of technology launch over the last 5 years... always zero inventory on launch days, usually normalizes in 3-4 months. 

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Because there are only like 5 chip fabs in the entire world. TSMC, Samsung, Global foundries, Intel, and I think Marvell. 

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Planning for these launches were likely done pre-covid. What might have been a good decision then is not a good decision today. Making changes to plans is not trivial. Any change to do things faster will add costs, and the later the changes, the higher the cost. Then you're left with a difficult situation. If they increase pricing people get upset, and the other option is to eat the extra costs, which isn't appealing either.

 

We don't know the true limit that is preventing increased manufacturing rates to keep up with demand. If it is the GPU, it is not easy to order more, especially if the fab is already at capacity. Other components may also be in shortage. I'm guessing the limit is not the physical manufacturing or distribution side, those are more scalable.

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Because there are only like 5 chip fabs in the entire world. TSMC, Samsung, Global foundries, Intel, and I think Marvell. 

That makes sense, and with manufacturers constantly demanding new fabrication standards it's no wonder they can't meet the demand. The grade of silicon probably needs to be a large cut above the rest too- I wish more people would realise this...

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2 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Welcome to any new piece of technology launch over the last 5 years... always zero inventory on launch days, usually normalizes in 3-4 months. 

This is why its so funny to watch all the fanboys on launch day crying that they didn't get a new card.

patience is like common sense.

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Just now, Nuclear_Fermion said:

That makes sense, and with manufacturers constantly demanding new fabrication standards it's no wonder they can't meet the demand. The grade of silicon probably needs to be a large cut above the rest too- I wish more people would realise this...

I think it just tells us we need to get off silicon as it's not a viable solution anymore

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Just now, BuckGup said:

I think it just tells us we need to get off silicon as it's not a viable solution anymore

I agree, current technology and logistical requirements make it unviable in the consumer market 

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2 minutes ago, Cvet76 said:

Exactly. Also, patience ensures me that when I buy later, I get a more mature, less buggy product.

Yeah I've never understood why people need to have the product straight away, I get that it's nice to have the latest and greatest but it's not like the current/last generation isn't good. 

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At the minute, jayztwocents is taking a beating from all the people whou couldn't get one. He's right about it though, even though we can't get the card yet someone has to do the benchmarking and stuff otherwise we have no idea how it performs lol

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Scalpers and bots are your answer. Just checked eBay for the 6800/XT and there's already 20 listings listed for 2x MSRP or more

Dirty Windows Peasants :P ?

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3 minutes ago, Nuclear_Fermion said:

Yeah I've never understood why people need to have the product straight away, I get that it's nice to have the latest and greatest but it's not like the current/last generation isn't good. 

You need to understand people to understand this.  Basic human psychology.  Literally ANY new product is looked at this way by people.

 

Also, I do agree that COVID plays a part.  Manufacturing is way down across the planet, not just the major foundries.  Shipping and customs are taking multiples of time to be completed.

 

Due to the above, bots/scalpers are noticing a much higher uptick in profits.  Obviously I don't have numbers,  but logically I would take advantage of a world climate such as we have.  Scalping when there is a lot of supply doesn't make as much sense.

 

 

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I honestly believe a good part of the "shortage" is marketing. What better way to hype of a product then to not let people have it. It makes it exclusive and some how better. If they really wanted to have inventory on launch day, they would simply move the launch day (or announce it) farther back so that they have inventory. They could have easily build up a supply, and then made the announcement that it launches in 2 weeks. BUT they wont, because then every one would get it that wanted it, and there would be no hype to keep people looking at and watching to see what comes next.

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23 minutes ago, Nuclear_Fermion said:

Yeah I've never understood why people need to have the product straight away, I get that it's nice to have the latest and greatest but it's not like the current/last generation isn't good. 

I see two reasons besides just wanting it now. Mining and scalping

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Everybody is blaming manufacturers for the "low" supply, but nobody is blaming those who are upgrading every 6-12 months, who are a big part of the demand. There are people who have been waiting so long to get a new GPU, or to replace their really old systems, and I understand their frustration, but never forget those who are just buying every single new GPU that comes out for the sake of getting the latest tech.

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2 hours ago, DriftMan said:

Everybody is blaming manufacturers for the "low" supply, but nobody is blaming those who are upgrading every 6-12 months, who are a big part of the demand. There are people who have been waiting so long to get a new GPU, or to replace their really old systems, and I understand their frustration, but never forget those who are just buying every single new GPU that comes out for the sake of getting the latest tech.

<Removed by Moderation> The percentage of people who upgrade every single generation is a fraction of a fraction of the community.

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delays work for me. By the time stocks are up i might actually be able to afford one and dying light 2 might be released.

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According to Kyle Bennett (former HardOCP owner/editor), who still has industry contacts:

 

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AMD MBA cards will be in short supply up front. However, where you saw NV front-load almost all its cards, AMD is backloading. Once AIB cards hit, you will see 5 to 7 times the inventory released than what NV has shipped total in NA at this time. AMD will be heavily back-loaded into the channel. AMD is shipping ASIC BOM kits nearly daily to AIBs at this point and it will continue to happen throughout Q4. There will be a decent supply through Q4.

Now let me say this again as it is worth hearing. There is no way that when AMD was doing its projections for supply, that it could have even fathomed that NVIDIA would totally shit the bed on 3080/90 supply for the quarter, effectively abandoning the $500 to $1000 GPU TAM. NVIDIA has left such a gaping hole in the market that there is no way it can be filled currently. From my information and analysis, AMD projected to grow its portion of the TAM and will have inventory to do that. The sad fact is that NV simply abandoned its customer in that market and there is no possible way for AMD to fill the void.

TL;DR Keep calm, and mash F5

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2 hours ago, Lurick said:

<Removed by Moderation> The percentage of people who upgrade every single generation is a fraction of a fraction of the community.

But people haven't been upgrading every year because the RTX 2000 series wasn't even an upgrade for those using a GTX 1000 series card, particularly the GTX 1080 and 1080Ti. And with more people stuck at home with extra time for gaming as a hobby and extra money, or working from home needing a GPU demand for dedicated GPU's could definitely be higher.

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Just now, Blademaster91 said:

But people haven't been upgrading every year because the RTX 2000 series wasn't even an upgrade for those using a GTX 1000 series card, particularly the GTX 1080 and 1080Ti. And with more people stuck at home with extra time for gaming as a hobby and extra money, or working from home needing a GPU demand for dedicated GPU's could definitely be higher.

Yah, the quoted poster is making it out to be that everyone and their mother upgrades every 6 to 12 months when any new product drops which is bullcrap.

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2 hours ago, Lurick said:

<Removed by Moderation> The percentage of people who upgrade every single generation is a fraction of a fraction of the community.

you know what percentage of the customers are those? Because I don't, but I constantly read people purchasing advice saying their system is not even 1 year old

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2 hours ago, Lurick said:

<Removed by Moderation> The percentage of people who upgrade every single generation is a fraction of a fraction of the community.

not to mention of the fraction that do want to and actually have the funds for them.

 

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21 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Yah, the quoted poster is making it out to be that everyone and their mother upgrades every 6 to 12 months when any new product drops which is bullcrap.

Yeah the amount of people upgrading to every new card is probably a small fraction of the market.

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also keep in mind this is just the reference launch. unless amd kept all the chips for themselves there will be a bigger AIB launch later

now i expect that to be sold out also but i also expect stock to stabilize much sooner than with the rtx 3000 series because TSMC has better yields etc than samsung

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