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Is apple just going to kill x86 now?

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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I agree.  I am worried that the m1 may kill full sized GPUs by simply locking them out of the ecosystem. The “they don’t exist because we won’t allow you to have one” argument.  Even though they do still exist and people who need them will find was to get ahold of them. Apple could push their ecosystem into “toy computer” status much like chromebooks which is a road to eventual destruction.  It’s a slow enough one they might do it anyway though because the executives in charge will be retired before the effects of their decisions are felt. A stitch in time may save nine but if you’re not wearing the pants anymore it only matters to those that have to.

I'm not surprised if Apple kills the option of having external GPU support, it was popular enough for companies to support the option with compatible enclosures, but Apple wants to control their ecosystem, and maybe they don't want to pay AMD to get drivers working on ARM or pay for a custom GPU core as Apple did with their laptops. Apple might scale up their GPU and sell it as their own eGPU if you need more compute power.

I doubt Apple would push their ecosystem into a "toy computer" status, but I think the serious professionals that need x86 compatibility might switch over to Windows or Linux.

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Just now, whm1974 said:

Just how is Apple's brand new M1 ARM going to kill off full size GPUs?

By not allowing them to be attached to it at all.  It would require them to continue this practice though.   The thunderbolt port was a way out of sorts One so badly needed that even it’s lousy high lag 4 lane limit was often better than the gigantically expensive alternate options offered because they were limited too.   The community begged and pleaded for a big desktop like the Mac Pro primarily because it could take desktop GPUs.  Apple betrayed them while pretending to agree by making a massively expensive device that was designed to be unaffordable by almost everyone.   All the really need to do is free up enough pcie lanes to allow macs to compete with other computers.  They seem to be avoiding it at all costs though.

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1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

I notice you said you should know by now not to argue with people on the internet.  I am beginning to see why you might say that.  You seem to want to hang on what amounts to an aside to my statement.

Dude, you are claiming that RISC ISAs and ARM and will replace x86-64.

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3 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I'm not surprised if Apple kills the option of having external GPU support, it was popular enough for companies to support the option with compatible enclosures, but Apple wants to control their ecosystem, and maybe they don't want to pay AMD to get drivers working on ARM or pay for a custom GPU core as Apple did with their laptops. Apple might scale up their GPU and sell it as their own eGPU if you need more compute power.

I doubt Apple would push their ecosystem into a "toy computer" status, but I think the serious professionals that need x86 compatibility might switch over to Windows or Linux.

Oh it makes sense in the short term alright.  Makes things simpler and easier.  Like the intelligence community demanding back doors in all software.  It will I think destroy the entire thing in the long term though.

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

By not allowing them to be attached to it at all.  It would require them to continue this practice though.   The thunderbolt port was a way out of sorts One so badly needed that even it’s lousy high lag 4 lane limit was often better than the gigantically expensive alternate options offered because they were limited too.   The community begged and pleaded for a big desktop like the Mac Pro primarily because it could take desktop GPUs.  Apple betrayed them while pretending to agree by making a massively expensive device that was designed to be unaffordable by almost everyone.   All the really need to do is free up enough pcie lanes to allow macs to compete with other computers.  They seem to be avoiding it at all costs though.

That still wouldn't kill off video cards at all. Just how many Computers do you think Apple sells every year?

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20 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I agree.  I am worried that the m1 may kill full sized GPUs by simply locking them out of the ecosystem. The “they don’t exist because we won’t allow you to have one” argument.  Even though they do still exist and people who need them will find was to get ahold of them. Apple could push their ecosystem into “toy computer” status much like chromebooks which is a road to eventual destruction.  It’s a slow enough one they might do it anyway though because the executives in charge will be retired before the effects of their decisions are felt. A stitch in time may save nine but if you’re not wearing the pants anymore it only matters to those that have to.

It's not going to kill discrete GPUs. If anything Apple will come out with their own discrete GPUs for the Mac Pros and iMacs. Remember also Apple doesn't just control everything and do anything they want. This is only apparent in the iPhones were they are a fashion statements or status symbols for most people

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14 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It's not going to kill discrete GPUs. If anything Apple will come out with their own discrete GPUs for the Mac Pros and iMacs. Remember also Apple doesn't just control everything and do anything they want. This is only apparent in the iPhones were they are a fashion statements or status symbols for most people

iMacs are are also Fashion Statement/Status Symbols as well.

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5 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

iMacs are are also Fashion Statement/Status Symbols as well.

I would say generally no. Hypebeasts aren't showing off their iMacs. The most common place for an iMac is a school or public library actually

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I would say generally no. Hypebeasts aren't showing off their iMacs. The most common place for an iMac is a school or public library actually

Strange I never seen a iMac at the my City Library or any of the ones I visited.

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6 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

Strange I never seen a iMac at the my City Library or any of the ones I visited.

Right not all libraries have them as they are usually more expensive as Apple doesn't give deals to larger purchases like Dell and Lenovo do. The most they do is educational discounts 

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4 hours ago, BuckGup said:

This thread is terrible lol. But long story short yes. Like it or not Apple has incredible influence on the industry as a whole

Ummm no. Every other company can do whatever thet want. If apple shows big leaps because of this then they will have to respond to remain competitive. 

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7 minutes ago, hookedonentflix said:

Ummm no. Every other company can do whatever thet want. If apple shows big leaps because of this then they will have to respond to remain competitive. 

Correct they can do whatever they want but they don't. Samsung gave Apple so much shit for removing the headphone jack and used it as a big marketing point. Then they went and did it themselves to sell their wireless headphones which look an awful lot like airpods. 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Correct they can do whatever they want but they don't. Samsung gave Apple so much shit for removing the headphone jack and used it as a big marketing point. Then they went and did it themselves to sell their wireless headphones which look an awful lot like airpods. 

Remind me not to buy Samsung's Phones. Is this across their entire phone line or just high end models?

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1 hour ago, whm1974 said:

Remind me not to buy Samsung's Phones. Is this across their entire phone line or just high end models?

It was only their S lineup and the note still had a jack but I think they have fully removed it from all their lineups now

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based on the performance so far on my M1 MacBook Pro.. I hope so!! there's performance a plenty!

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Correct they can do whatever they want but they don't. Samsung gave Apple so much shit for removing the headphone jack and used it as a big marketing point. Then they went and did it themselves to sell their wireless headphones which look an awful lot like airpods. 

Thats just companies removing a jack that costs a few cents, to charging over $100 to use headphones again, its a sh*t move but it makes sense for a business. I don't see how they look like airpods, no stems as those dumb plastic stems are the thing everyone uses to say theyre airpods.

2 hours ago, whm1974 said:

Remind me not to buy Samsung's Phones. Is this across their entire phone line or just high end models?

If you don't mind going with their lower end phones the A series still has a 3.5mm jack.

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22 minutes ago, Badger906 said:

based on the performance so far on my M1 MacBook Pro.. I hope so!! there's performance a plenty!

So you managed to buy one? How much and weren't they just released?

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2 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

So you managed to buy one? How much and weren't they just released?

I don't think there was ever a time where people rushed to buy the latest Mac on launch. With iPhones, yea. But not their laptops and desktops.

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7 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

So you managed to buy one? How much and weren't they just released?

yeah I pre ordered one! Got it a day after launch because of an amazon cockup. I paid £1499 for the 512gb model.

ive chopped and changed between Macs and windows laptops over the years, last Mac was a 2015 MacBook Air. this is a breath of fresh air in comparison! the keyboard is so so so good! the screen is also really impressive. I've just come from a 2020 surface pro which I thought was terrible lol but had a decent screen, this blows it away! I'm yet to see what this thing can really do.. my thing is cad and 3d design, so far I'm I'm waiting on my favourite software venders to stop using openGL and Make Mac variants lol

 

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7 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

I don't think there was ever a time where people rushed to buy the latest Mac on launch. With iPhones, yea. But not their laptops and desktops.

by how fast Amazon sold out in the uk.. id say there's a few of us! then again mine was just a thing of circumstance. I decided I wanted a new Mac, turned out apple had a keynote and were releasing new ones the following week!

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2 minutes ago, Badger906 said:

by how fast Amazon sold out in the uk.. id say there's a few of us! then again mine was just a thing of circumstance. I decided I wanted a new Mac, turned out apple had a keynote and were releasing new ones the following week!

Interesting. Haven't heard any stories of shortages on this side of the pond. And judging by how Linus got his Mac Mini (as far as I know they order it off Apple.ca like the rest of us), no reason to suspect shortages yet. 

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3 minutes ago, Badger906 said:

yeah I pre ordered one! Got it a day after launch because of an amazon cockup. I paid £1499 for the 512gb model.

ive chopped and changed between Macs and windows laptops over the years, last Mac was a 2015 MacBook Air. this is a breath of fresh air in comparison! the keyboard is so so so good! the screen is also really impressive. I've just come from a 2020 surface pro which I thought was terrible lol but had a decent screen, this blows it away! I'm yet to see what this thing can really do.. my thing is cad and 3d design, so far I'm I'm waiting on my favourite software venders to stop using openGL and Make Mac variants lol

 

Why would CAD and 3D Design Vendors stop using OpenGL and switch completely over to Metal?

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Correct they can do whatever they want but they don't. Samsung gave Apple so much shit for removing the headphone jack and used it as a big marketing point. Then they went and did it themselves to sell their wireless headphones which look an awful lot like airpods. 

Cause it was the direction the market went. If people really cared about headphone jacks they would still be around. Its a cycle Apple does something -> people shit on it -> other companies realizes its a good idea -> people shit themselves and get angry at apple. Other companies have freedom to do what they want but they have to compete. Apple jumps of a bridge and people get angry when other companies do too. 

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12 minutes ago, Badger906 said:

yeah I pre ordered one! Got it a day after launch because of an amazon cockup. I paid £1499 for the 512gb model.

ive chopped and changed between Macs and windows laptops over the years, last Mac was a 2015 MacBook Air. this is a breath of fresh air in comparison! the keyboard is so so so good! the screen is also really impressive. I've just come from a 2020 surface pro which I thought was terrible lol but had a decent screen, this blows it away! I'm yet to see what this thing can really do.. my thing is cad and 3d design, so far I'm I'm waiting on my favourite software venders to stop using openGL and Make Mac variants lol

 

You tried to do CAD on a surface?  Yeah I can see that not working very well. If stuff is small enough an m1 will work great.  It’s when stuff gets large that big problems set in.   The second you hit swap for memory it’s like you put your foot in one of those mouse glue traps. 

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

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