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Is it even worth mentioning that this is a thing you have to either opt-in or opt-out to when installing macOS?

 

If you chose ”share analytics data” this is what it will do. If you chose ”no” it won’t. 

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28 minutes ago, poochyena said:

I mean.. discord does all that too, shows everyone when you are online, on desktop or mobile, which programs you are using, etc. Sure you can turn that off, but considering majority of people don't, it kinda shows most people don't care.

Major fucking difference between a company claiming to be better than that to send hidden data to themselves that customers were not aware of, and for what is now basically a social media platform to show a status.

 

Your claim is absurd lmfao

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23 minutes ago, Spindel said:

Is it even worth mentioning that this is a thing you have to either opt-in or opt-out to when installing macOS?

 

If you chose ”share analytics data” this is what it will do. If you chose ”no” it won’t. 

From my understanding, it does it regardless. A tool was made to block this, and with the latest OS release, Apple went out of its way to block such application from working.

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Do people even bother to read anything. Direct quote from the person who found it themselves

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It is fully possible that this is a bug given macOS Big Sur still remains in beta with an unofficial launch date.

 

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5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Do people even bother to read anything.

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Your computer is yours, and so is your software - which is why people should take offence and pursue legal action when what is theirs is abused by tech companies to do things like steal their data or generate data for the company, use their electricity for commercial purposes, track their behaviour and enable a company to send people targeted-ads.

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50 minutes ago, Nowak said:

The thing is this is an entire operating system rather than a single app, from a company that pretends to be better about this than Google and Microsoft.

what difference does it make? Same outcome.

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1 minute ago, poochyena said:

what difference does it make? Same outcome.

The difference is that you do know Discord is doing this while you don't know that macOS is. In fact, you trust macOS to do the opposite, since it's the software running the entire show.

 

Discord is just an app. We know it's not private. macOS meanwhile is the entire operating system. Discord doesn't know what apps you're running or how long it's open unless it's a game or you tell it to recognize this app. macOS does, and it reports this back to Apple, even if you tell it not to. That's what the difference is.

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I'm not necessarily surprised overall, but the fact it's unencrypted is what is unnerving. I always thought mac was Windows in fancy clothes, and this confirms that it is. This is essentially phone home

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4 hours ago, dilpickle said:

OK but is there a better source for this news than someone's personal blog?

 

Sure. Check out Tidbits. Basically, much ado about nothing.

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So what was going on? As I understand it, at app launch, Apple’s GateKeeper technology checks the certificates that Apple assigns to developers to sign their code. The name of the Apple server in question—ocsp.apple.com—points to Apple using OCSP (Online Certificate Status Protocol) to determine if an app’s certificate has been revoked. If that’s the case, macOS prevents the app from launching—it’s Apple’s way of ensuring that it can prevent an app discovered to be malicious from causing more damage.

 

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

I mean.. discord does all that too, shows everyone when you are online, on desktop or mobile, which programs you are using, etc. Sure you can turn that off, but considering majority of people don't, it kinda shows most people don't care.

On discord you actually have to pay for it to show - I think 🤔 

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what i would like to know, is this with the telemetry set to enabled or disabled? because that makes a big difference. 

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Remember this next time someone tells you Apple cares about your privacy.

4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's no secret everyone uses telemetry these days. Question is, does it stop when you turn off said telemetry or feedback data collection. It's known that you can't do that with Windows 10 as even basic profile shares data. MacOS, as far as I know had controls to disable it. So does iPhone. It just comes with it pre-enabled. Any info on that?

Apple didn't even say they are doing this so no, it can't be turned off by the user. On Windows 10 at least you know for certain that the telemetry exists, even if you can't turn it off.

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5 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Did anyone really trust that Apple did what they claimed and respected the privacy of customers? Cause I sure as hell didn't, and I'm not surprised by this.

Only the gullible believed what Apple said.

 

 

 

 

Even using a VPN isnt enough

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

On Windows 10 at least you know for certain that the telemetry exists, even if you can't turn it off.

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4 hours ago, yian88 said:

I dont see it happen, i have a Lenovo Ideapad Ryzen 2200u laptop for 3 years and it never worked well in any linux distro or kernel until recently with kernel 5.9 they added wifi driver that already existed but it never worked when i tried to build it manually and shit.

thats not a problem with linux, thats no one made linux drivers for your adapter, ethernet and most pcie wifi adapters works, and if not get an adapter that has linux drivers 

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21 minutes ago, kpluck said:

Sure. Check out Tidbits. Basically, much ado about nothing.

 

It's interesting: I keep seeing thie FQDN for oscp.apple.com pop up in various posts, but it's NXDOMAIN.  Not there.  Doesn't exist.  Other than the MX records it inherits from the main apple.com domain.

 

deathstroke$ dig @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com.

; <<>> DiG 9.10.6 <<>> @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com.
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 14089
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;oscp.apple.com.			IN	A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
apple.com.		14400	IN	SOA	nserver.apple.com. hostmaster.apple.com. 2010120393 900 900 2016000 14400

;; Query time: 65 msec
;; SERVER: 17.254.0.50#53(17.254.0.50)
;; WHEN: Fri Nov 13 17:46:21 EST 2020
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 98

deathstroke$ dig @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com. ns

; <<>> DiG 9.10.6 <<>> @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com. ns
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 9706
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;oscp.apple.com.			IN	NS

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
apple.com.		14400	IN	SOA	nserver.apple.com. hostmaster.apple.com. 2010120393 900 900 2016000 14400

;; Query time: 68 msec
;; SERVER: 17.254.0.50#53(17.254.0.50)
;; WHEN: Fri Nov 13 17:46:38 EST 2020
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 98

deathstroke$ dig @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com. txt

; <<>> DiG 9.10.6 <<>> @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com. txt
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42564
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;oscp.apple.com.			IN	TXT

;; ANSWER SECTION:
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	TXT	"v=spf1 redirect=_spf.apple.com"

;; Query time: 64 msec
;; SERVER: 17.254.0.50#53(17.254.0.50)
;; WHEN: Fri Nov 13 17:46:40 EST 2020
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 86

deathstroke$ dig @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com. mx

; <<>> DiG 9.10.6 <<>> @17.254.0.50 oscp.apple.com. mx
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 57195
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;oscp.apple.com.			IN	MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	MX	10 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp03.apple.com.
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	MX	10 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com.
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	MX	10 ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com.
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	MX	10 nwk-aaemail-lapp03.apple.com.
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	MX	10 nwk-aaemail-lapp02.apple.com.
oscp.apple.com.		3600	IN	MX	10 nwk-aaemail-lapp01.apple.com.

;; Query time: 64 msec
;; SERVER: 17.254.0.50#53(17.254.0.50)
;; WHEN: Fri Nov 13 17:46:43 EST 2020
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 262

 

Possible there's some other fun DNS trickery they're doing, but none that I've been able to determine.  Basically it means: nothing can "reach out" to oscp.apple.com if there's no name resolution for said.  UNLESS the code doing the reaching out isn't using the system's gethostbyname() call, but rather grabbing the A record off an internally-coded DNS server.

 

Basically what I'm saying is: I think the guy that supposedly captured this then blogged about it doesn't know what he's talking about.  Or he's full of shit.

 

Or both.

 

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10 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

thats not a problem with linux, thats no one made linux drivers for your adapter, ethernet and most pcie wifi adapters works, and if not get an adapter that has linux drivers 

To top it off most of the times linux itself isnt even at fault, like when this particular company put the SATA controller into a special mode that the linux drivers doesnt know about......

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I wonder how far this goes back? Is this present in Catalina? Mojave? High Sierra?

 

Was this spy shit added in Big Sur as a feature, a feature they're gonna call a "bug", or to track analytics for betas? If so, does Catalina and Mojave betas have the same call home feature? I'd also assume maybe iOS betas would have this?

 

I'd like to see this expanded on, this is an interesting topic. A lot of this seems very preliminary. Apple shouldn't say they're privacy focused and force other developers to give detailed reports on tracking when they can't do it themselves.

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We need an internet bill of rights goddamnit.

 

These technology companies must be brought to heel.

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1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

We need an internet bill of rights goddamnit.

 

These technology companies must be brought to heel.

Big Tech will not allow it. To much money they give to pay off government officials.

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4 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

We need an internet bill of rights goddamnit.

 

These technology companies must be brought to heel.

for that to happen, we need some people in congress who know wtf they are talking about with technology and online privacy, the same people that are making laws about electronics and the internet are the same people who go to their children for help with the internet

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24 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

We need an internet bill of rights goddamnit.

 

These technology companies must be brought to heel.

They'll fight back. Be prepared for when they do.

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