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Trudeau government promises to connect 98% of Canadians to high-speed internet by 2026

8 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

But nobody mentioned 1970's internet standards, and as you can see with the sources I linked to, the CRTC (and I frankly) agree that as time change, the Mbps considered for what is highspeed internet changes ... but again, we're not talking about what was considered highspeed 15 years ago, or what highspeed will be considered in 15 years.

 

So yeah, it's relative with the time you're in, but the CRTC does change those definitions, just like they're changing their definitions of affordable cellphone plans or the data caps on cellphone plans.

 

I get what you mean now, but you're completely in the left field here, the current, past and future definition of highspeed isn't what this news is about.

But planning a network takes time, and building it takes more time.  Meanwhile the definitions change but the network plan is set, and the laws of physics stay the same. What will “high-speed” be when the plan is fully set up? If the network is still 50/10 as was planned people will complain that it is not “high speed”.  1970’s internet standards was there was no internet at all.  A 300 baud modem was the size of a suitcase, and most people not only couldn’t get one but wouldn’t even know what a modem was. The word “high” though?  That existed.

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18 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

But planning a network takes time, and building it takes more time.  Meanwhile the definitions change but the network plan is set, and the laws of physics stay the same. What will “high-speed” be when the plan is fully set up? If the network is still 50/10 as was planned people will complain that it is not “high speed”.  1970’s internet standards was there was no internet at all.  A 300 baud modem was the size of a suitcase, and most people not only couldn’t get one but wouldn’t even know what a modem was. The word “high” though?  That existed.

Again, the CRTC change the definition of what highspeed inter is, they did it a few times in the past. Not sure how many times I have to repeat it.

 

"highspeed" in the case of this program, is a variable that the CRTC is the one defining. If the definition changes, then the telcos have to adapt and offer what is then considered highspeed.

 

Remember, the program discussed here says remote areas need to have access to a high speed plan, it doesn't set a define price or mentions affordability, it also doesn't say every home HAS to be connected to a 50/10Mbps. So if the telcos offer a 10/1 plan for $20/M, and a 50/10 for $400/M, they are following the letter of what the plan set out to do ; make 50/10 available.

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1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

Again, the CRTC change the definition of what highspeed inter is, they did it a few times in the past. Not sure how many times I have to repeat it.

 

"highspeed" in the case of this program, is a variable that the CRTC is the one defining. If the definition changes, then the telcos have to adapt and offer what is then considered highspeed.

 

Remember, the program discussed here says remote areas need to have access to a high speed plan, it doesn't set a define price or mentions affordability, it also doesn't say every home HAS to be connected to a 50/10Mbps. So if the telcos offer a 10/1 plan for $20/M, and a 50/10 for $400/M, they are following the letter of what the plan set out to do ; make 50/10 available.

So it does effectively nothing.  No one actually has to DO anything. It has always been the case that it is possible to lay cable to an area.  It might cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for a single home, but it could always be done.  Rock can be drilled through, etc..   Sounds more like an act of paperwork than an act of construction.  It doesn’t require a system to be created or work to progress.  If no actual network system has to be created then it doesn’t matter what the definitions are.  There is no stepping off the moving belt of technological progress to actually create something required. 

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16 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

So it does effectively nothing.  No one actually has to DO anything. It has always been the case that it is possible to lay cable to an area.  It might cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for a single home, but it could always be done.  Rock can be drilled through, etc..   Sounds more like an act of paperwork than an act of construction.  It doesn’t require a system to be created or work to progress.  If no actual network system has to be created then it doesn’t matter what the definitions are.  There is no stepping off the moving belt of technological progress to actually create something required. 

Except for the part where telcos have to submit a project for an new infrastructure, or to expand a current one, into an area with no coverage, if not, then no money.

 

Seems like you have an "American" view of the whole thing (no offence here, but your views and arguments really don't reflect what we're experiencing up here as far as gov interventions), that's a program made to expand the infrastructure of telcos so that they can offer 50/10 connections to all Canadians (because, sadly, we have lots of small remote areas), and in the current day and age, internet is a basic service (as declared by the gov. in 2016). 

 

 

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3 hours ago, MageTank said:

Sounds like the SBA found the necessary collateral required to make this loan.

 

Like I said, most tech startups receive investments, not loans. This one happened to get a loan after investors already got on board, which is what allowed them the necessary collateral required to secure the loan in the first place. Lenders are not stupid. They are not in the business of giving their money away to failing endeavors, not without the means to recoup most if not all of their losses entirely (and in most cases, with guaranteed interest). Your own source leans more in agreeance to my point over yours.

 

At this point, it's really not worth putting in the effort defending your original analogy when it didn't make much sense in the first place. There were far better analogies to make in that context that would have been concrete. It's just bad luck that I happen to have been going through the home buying process at this very moment and felt very jaded dealing with lenders, otherwise I wouldn't have put in the effort of responding in the first place, lol.

I've genuinely lost what point you are trying to make.

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14 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Except for the part where telcos have to submit a project for an new infrastructure, or to expand a current one, into an area with no coverage, if not, then no money.

 

Seems like you have an "American" view of the whole thing (no offence here, but your views and arguments really don't reflect what we're experiencing up here as far as gov interventions), that's a program made to expand the infrastructure of telcos so that they can offer 50/10 connections to all Canadians (because, sadly, we have lots of small remote areas), and in the current day and age, internet is a basic service (as declared by the gov. in 2016). 

 

 

I don’t think it’s a fundamentally different problem.  You’re describing an incentive program for companies to do things that wouldn’t ordinarily be profitable.  This is somewhat different from previous commentary in that The replies from others has been that the amount of money sounds too small to complete the level of penetration described.  My point was based on those where they were talking about creating whole network structures.  A constantly updating system is going to have to continue changing even if there is no expansion at all. The entire budget could get sucked up with simple maintenance, because if the definition keeps changing already in place systems are going to have to keep on being updated rather than merely maintained.  Areas that already have systems would slowly get faster systems, but the system wouldn’t expand much.  There may occasionally be opportunities occasionally appearing where by extending their service range, they could acquire more customers, but that completely removes the capacity of the government to control this 98% thing they want to do.  They just have to pour the money in a pot and see what crawls out while companies will sit in the pot sucking up money and do as little crawling as possible.  Laying new lines seems mandatory.  Not merely replacing old ones in trenches already dug or poles already put up, but totally new work.  A lot of it. By having a moving requirement they have to both improve old work and build new work.  If the definition were stable, acquiring funds would require new work up to that standard, but with a moving definition they don’t have to do any new work unless they run out of old work to make claims on, and even then they don’t have to do it.  I could see whole new municipalities creating organizations based on using this money to do new work to connect their area I guess.  That was attempted in the US but blocked by the provider companies.  The lack of control still exists though and those companies would still have to continuously upgrade their systems. There is no fire and forget here as long as the target continues to move.  With landline phone it was stable.  A line used only so much data.  This was less true with cable TV, but still more true than with internet.  With “high speed” it keeps changing, and it does it pretty quickly.   If the government can maintain their definition of “highspeed” as being the same there could be a shot. Every time that changes though the entire equation shifts because different technologies with different requirements are going to be needed. 

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35 minutes ago, poochyena said:

I've genuinely lost what point you are trying to make.

My point was that the original analogy of selling a 10M home for 5M home and being unable to call the seller "rich" was weak based solely on the premise that selling a home for a 5M loss automatically prohibits the use of that description. I am sure the point you were making in and of itself was valid, I just took issue with the analogy you chose to use. That's all.

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My point was that the original analogy of selling a 10M home for 5M home and being unable to call the seller "rich" was weak based solely on the premise that selling a home for a 5M loss automatically prohibits the use of that description. I am sure the point you were making in and of itself was valid, I just took issue with the analogy you chose to use. That's all.

Mine was more about having the capacity to even borrow 10 million in the first place, but I agree.  It’s the analogy not the concept. 

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12 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

If telephone poles are up and being serviced it’s just a matter of hanging more wire. It also means they already can get DSL though, so there’s a good chance anyplace with telephone poles isn’t being considered. 

Not true at all. Just because they can hang DSL or cable internet off of it, doesn't mean they have. If there aren't enough people there to make the project work the expense, they won't have done it.

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1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Not true at all. Just because they can hang DSL or cable internet off of it, doesn't mean they have. If there aren't enough people there to make the project work the expense, they won't have done it.

DSL is often literally phone wire, or used to be. A variant of T1.  DSL frequently includes landline phone.  Problems with use of old phone wire were already pointed out though. Poles are a continuous maintenance  thing.  Brush has to be cut, etc..  lower initial cost higher continuing cost. 

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3 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

DSL is often literally phone wire, or used to be. A variant of T1.  DSL frequently includes landline phone.  Problems with use of old phone wire were already pointed out though. Poles are a continuous maintenance  thing.  Brush has to be cut, etc..  lower initial cost higher continuing cost. 

Yes. And most of these places already have telephone poles. So no, there's no additional maintenance fees, they're already there.

I really don't understand why you find this so hard to understand.

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38 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yes. And most of these places already have telephone poles. So no, there's no additional maintenance fees, they're already there.

I really don't understand why you find this so hard to understand.

You must live in the boons 😛

Wait... you make the argument that my statement was bad because the telephone poles had phone wires on them but didnt necessarily have DSL wires on them, then after I point out that as far as I knew DSL wires and phone wires were (mostly more or less nod to @wkdpaul) phone wires.  Then you say I’m wrong because you ... knew I was right?  

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Wait... you make the argument that my statement was bad because the telephone poles had phone wires on them but didnt necessarily have DSL wires on them, then after I point out that as far as I knew DSL wires and phone wires were (mostly more or less nod to @wkdpaul) phone wires.  Then you say I’m wrong because you ... knew I was right?  

No, you seem to be implying that it'll be additional cost to put the poles into place. It's not. They're already there. They're already paying the maintenance on those poles.

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15 minutes ago, dizmo said:

No, you seem to be implying that it'll be additional cost to put the poles into place. It's not. They're already there. They're already paying the maintenance on those poles.

Ah.  That part @wkdpaul pointed out.  Apparently the problem with the concept is while DSL can be done with phone wire, there are problems.  Partially having to do with rain. 
 

My reply was that it seemed they were Problems significant enough that poles may not work everywhere.  Especially on really long runs.  It was stuff I actually knew about and had forgotten because it happened in the Obama administration. 
 

Personally I’m not especially concerned about the Canadian government screwing it up too badly.  There was an American attempt at a somewhat similar thing in the early 2000’s to look at and Canada doesn’t have the kinds of problems the US does atm. Number does seem a tad low to me is all.  I suspect there will be a continuation if not an actual overrun.

 

Hopefully the US can take the information Canada generates with its move and try it again in the US with better results.

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I believe the american capitalistic system will prevail. Just wait guys. Tmobile is launching a home internet service that utilizing 4g towers to provide internet in your home. Also, elon musk has something going on or something.

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5 minutes ago, WindirBear said:

I believe the american capitalistic system will prevail. Just wait guys. Tmobile is launching a home internet service that utilizing 4g towers to provide internet in your home. Also, elon musk has something going on or something.

They’re both capitalistic systems.  There basically aren’t any non capitalistic systems left.  One or two southeast Asian nations (which does not include china) and perhaps Cuba, though I’m not too sure about that one.  Marxism and planned economies more or less died in the 90’s.  
t-mobile is a multi-national and is American only by birth.  Musk is building factories all over the world. There are gigafactories going up in Germany and China and the only one he’s got in America isn’t even finished.   The US and Canada do get first crack at the star link beta though. 

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