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Trudeau government promises to connect 98% of Canadians to high-speed internet by 2026

3 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

If this really is the case, I'm surprised that you already had all/most of the infrastructure in place. Again, you have an natural advantage for that.

No, nobody does. Simply not how things work. Natural advantage is not a thing. If anyone has that it's the USA, like look at Australia, exact same size yet vastly lower population. Hasn't helped them at all in any way, they still have garbage internet despite the majority of the population living in coast areas and vast amounts of flat land. If anyone was going to have an easy time it would have been Australia, the current best example of a failed high speed internet rollout.

 

3 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Just checked and World bank data says 12% of pop are rural. According to your government site, ~100% of population live up to 50km from the coast, ~70% of pop live up to 10km from the coast...  Everything in line with what I expected and suggested.

Where are you getting this data from, it's factually wrong to a gross degree. Literally right now I'm way, way way, more than 50km from the coast.

 

Not that I actually live in this city but look on the map where Taupo is, yea that's 100% not 50km from the coast. Like many other towns and cities here.

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9 hours ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

That's not actually true

If its not true, then why don't they do it on their own?

 

9 hours ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

Telus' annual revenue

means absolutely nothing. I could buy a 10 million dollar house and sell it for 5 million, giving me 5 million dollars in revenue, but you wouldn't say I was rich, would you?

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12 hours ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

god i wish this would happen in the US, if im stuck with comcast for another year im gonna claw my eyes out, currently paying $150 a month for ~120 mbps down 10 up, im in the middle of a massive residential zone to its not like im in the middle of no where

Lol if you go to any rural town you'll be paying $100/month for 1-10Mb/s. Starlink is going to be a godsend for these people

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9 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Lol if you go to any rural town you'll be paying $100/month for 1-10Mb/s. Starlink is going to be a godsend for these people

right now a friend of mine who lives in just about the middle of no where in a small farming town is getting 650mbps for the same price as me, its literally just comcast being money shlurping assholes

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2 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

right now a friend of mine who lives in just about the middle of no where in a small farming town is getting 650mbps for the same price as me, its literally just comcast being money shlurping assholes

I agree every telecom company is insanely greedy and unethical. I just recently found out huge partner on Youtube like Fullscreen are all owned by telecom companies like AT&T. 

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24 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Not that I actually live in this city but look on the map where Taupo is, yea that's 100% not 50km from the coast. Like many other towns and cities here.

Went to Taupo in 2008 for a couple of nights on KiwiEx. Stayed at the Base backpackers, went to Finns & what appears to be called Mulligans (although can't remember if it was still called that back then) and went to the Spa. Nice place.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Simply not how things work. Natural advantage is not a thing. If anyone has that it's the USA, like look at Australia, exact same size yet vastly lower population. Hasn't helped them at all in any way, they still have garbage internet despite the majority of the population living in coast areas and vast amounts of flat land. If anyone was going to have an easy time it would have been Australia, the current best example of a failed high speed internet rollout.

Never said it was the main factor, just and advantage. If you don't use it, it doesn't mean anything.


The US should definitely have top notch internet. The lack of competition (based on the comments from this forum) is quite puzzling. It doesn't seem to be engineering or economical, but stupid policies.

 

Not sure what happened in Australia, but they also seem to be in the stupid policies group (e.g. screwing everyone with outlandish energy prices).

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1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Well unlikely as they will be configured to the best possible for the equipment in the legally allowed radio laws of our country.

And I'm telling you the same legally allowed radios could have better range due to better coding and modulation, which leads to less errors, less interference, which allows for the reduction of guard bands, keeping the great performance. That's why we develop new stuff :D

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

If its not true, then why don't they do it on their own?

 

means absolutely nothing. I could buy a 10 million dollar house and sell it for 5 million, giving me 5 million dollars in revenue, but you wouldn't say I was rich, would you?

I would.  You had a 5 million dollar house.

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1 hour ago, leadeater said:

This is fundamental misunderstanding of how scale works, and that all the work (99.9%) is within city and town limits digging up roads and paths to put in new cabinets and fibre runs and passive optical splitters.

 

P.S. The undersea cables going out of NZ are wildly expensive, far more so than if they were run over land. We had to fight for decades to get another one, purely cost reasons were why it didn't happen sooner.

 

Also why the hell are you so fixated on the coasts? It makes zero difference and if you check the supplied map I gave you the main fibre links are over land not coast/sea. And neither make any difference to deploying FTTH GPON to houses at all.

You're definitely correct on this one. Guess I've been working too much on radio and only thought on last mile with radio...

 

Hmm, weird, I was pretty sure they were cheaper than land based. The new lines you mentioned are linked to another continent, no?

 

I mentioned coasts because:

1 - I love the sea;

2 - I want some nice vacations on a beach;

3 - I really need some vacations;

4 - The data from you government says most people (95-96% according to the 2006 census, which I previously said was almost 100%) live up to 50km from the coast, which means most people are probably next to backbone fibers (assuming those were in the ocean);

5 - I assumed the last mile could be dealt with radio, which is a thing. Cheaper and faster to build, faster to upgrade, etc. Not sure on the radio scenario over there, but I suppose you have a ton of spectrum that could be used (assuming you don't have a ton of TV/radio/private bands in use);

6 - Yes, radio sucks for some applications, but for most users is more than fine. Slowly rolling out fiber deployment for areas that have more traffic is way cheaper than installing it everywhere;

7 - I'm assuming either government or the ISP will finance that. If residents are financing it, there's no excuse not to make it happen (e.g. like Google Fiber started), except for stupid policies.

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35 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I would.  You had a 5 million dollar house.

You'd call a homeless person with 5 million dollars in debt to be rich? yikes.

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41 minutes ago, poochyena said:

You'd call a homeless person with 5 million dollars in debt to be rich? yikes.

That could  totally not possibly be what happened.  As you well know. Buying a house for 10 million and selling it for 5 million does make -5million,  this much is true.   The only part.  Houses aren’t bought and sold anything like the way you are implying though.  Loans don’t work that way, real estate doesn’t work that way, mortgages don’t work that way.

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36 minutes ago, poochyena said:

You'd call a homeless person with 5 million dollars in debt to be rich? yikes.

Yeah, mostly because the analogy is weak. It operates on the assumption that the person that sold the home is automatically in debt because they sold it for a loss. It also operates on the assumption that they are somehow poor despite somehow convincing a bank to approve a loan for a 10 million dollar home, which requires that they had a solid income or equity to put up against the loan in the first place. If your entire analogy hinges on the premise that the person that sold their $10m home also lost their high paying job, the valuable assets they possessed that aided in the securing of their home loan AND that they paid none of that loan off prior to selling it for 5M dollars, then I'd say it's by definition, a very weak analogy. I feel like a ton of things would have to happen to make this analogy applicable to a real world scenario and I just don't see that happening, not without mistake after mistake being made, or Dan Aykroyd reprising his role from Trading Places.

 

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Happens in cities too.  I got a friend who’s been watching cheap high speed internet approaching his block but not entering it for years.  He’s surrounded on two sides but it’s still unavailable to him. Apparently the issue is he’s just north of a park which causes problems.

Yeah... It's going to be a rough few months. My plan is to see if Frontier will let me buy a few 25Mbps connections and bond them together. It's still a far cry from the gigabit I've grown accustomed to, but beats some of the worst DSL connections. Spectrum offers Gigabit just a couple miles away in basically every direction, sadly it would cost around $60k to have a hub installed in my area according to the rep I spoke with. The catch 22 of living in the country is that you have no neighbors to deal with, but also no neighbors to chip in on getting fast internet brought to the area, lol.

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Yeah... It's going to be a rough few months. My plan is to see if Frontier will let me buy a few 25Mbps connections and bond them together. It's still a far cry from the gigabit I've grown accustomed to, but beats some of the worst DSL connections. Spectrum offers Gigabit just a couple miles away in basically every direction, sadly it would cost around $60k to have a hub installed in my area according to the rep I spoke with. The catch 22 of living in the country is that you have no neighbors to deal with, but also no neighbors to chip in on getting fast internet brought to the area, lol.

I'm on 25Mbps (VDSL, fiber), that's what I had at my old place, and the house we bought had that service already connected, so just moving the service kinda made sense.

 

But it's super unstable in that house, I even made sure to change the wiring inside to only have a few feet before it went outside, isolated my network, etc.. it's really just a shit connection to my house. It can be fine for a week, while the bad days I'll have 3 disconnection a day. It's a pain, especially that I work from home and have to do and get calls on VoIP.

 

I'm switching to cable 100/30, unlimited, no cap, for only $5 more per month. Can't wait.

 

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36 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That could  totally not possibly be what happened.  As you well know. Buying a house for 10 million and selling it for 5 million does make -5million,  this much is true.   The only part.  Houses aren’t bought and sold anything like the way you are implying though.  Loans don’t work that way, real estate doesn’t work that way, mortgages don’t work that way.

you are missing the forest for the trees

 

33 minutes ago, MageTank said:

It operates on the assumption

omg
no, the entire point is you can't make an assumption based on revenue.

 

35 minutes ago, MageTank said:

which requires that they had a solid income or equity to put up against the loan in the first place.

Guess the people loaning money to tech startups with 0 income weren't informed of that.

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2 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

And I'm telling you the same legally allowed radios could have better range due to better coding and modulation, which leads to less errors, less interference, which allows for the reduction of guard bands, keeping the great performance. That's why we develop new stuff :D

If you change that then the clients also need to support it, but also the actual transmitting equipment does too which it won't without a firmware/software upgrade. And anything like that has to go back through the radio spectrum certification to be allowed to transmit it. All of this stuff is heavily regulated here, such is why what is being deployed is the best possible for the intended design and use case. The other good thing is the RBI towers aren't shared with mobile calling or data, they only service RBI 4G internet so connected station count is always very low.

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36 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I'm switching to cable 100/30, unlimited, no cap, for only $5 more per month. Can't wait.

lol I read that as "only $5 per month".. 🤦‍♂️

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lol I read that as "only $5 a month".. 🤦‍♂️

ah! I wish !!

 

Still, $50 CAD a month for 100/30 isn't that bad really (IMO)

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20 minutes ago, poochyena said:

you are missing the forest for the trees

 

omg
no, the entire point is you can't make an assumption based on revenue.

 

Guess the people loaning money to tech startups with 0 income weren't informed of that.

Re: you are missing the Forrest for the trees.

 

I would say it’s pretty much the exact opposite of that.
 The Forrest/tree analogy isn’t the best one to use, but to push it What I noticed is that the Forrest was not actually made of trees but of telephone poles so the chances of it successfully supporting a woodpecker population were near zero. 

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30 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I'm on 25Mbps (VDSL, fiber), that's what I had at my old place, and the house we bought had that service already connected, so just moving the service kinda made sense.

 

But it's super unstable in that house, I even made sure to change the wiring inside to only have a few feet before it went outside, isolated my network, etc.. it's really just a shit connection to my house. It can be fine for a week, while the bad days I'll have 3 disconnection a day. It's a pain, especially that I work from home and have to do and get calls on VoIP.

 

I'm switching to cable 100/30, unlimited, no cap, for only $5 more per month. Can't wait.

 

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Sadly my only alternatives at this location is satellite internet, and I just don't know if I trust the idea of satellites from a latency perspective. The current owners have Frontier and claimed they had no issues, however they are much older and do not strike me as the "power user" type. I suppose if things don't work out well, we go with plan B, and run an extremely long CAT6 cable to my nearest neighbor with Spectrum and ask if I can borrow a cup of gigabit, lol.

 

5 minutes ago, poochyena said:

omg
no, the entire point is you can't make an assumption based on revenue.

 

Guess the people loaning money to tech startups with 0 income weren't informed of that.

I don't know. It's entirely possible that multiple people missed the point of your analogy, but I still feel it's pretty weak based on the premise alone. I am also not entirely certain that I understand your point on tech startups. I feel like someone might be confusing investing with lending. If a Tech Startup is going through the SBA, I guarantee you they'll still need collateral in the form of assets before they'll ever be considered. They take their risk management very seriously, lol.

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Well how could they do it?

 

Sateliites, sure for remote area's where no roads, no transmission lines are.

 

Fiber Optics where roads are and transmission lines, sure why not.

 

What are the costs associated with each.

Meanwhile, there are more then just some northern communities that have no potable water.

Their buildings are falling apart.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, leadeater said:

If you change that then the clients also need to support it, but also the actual transmitting equipment does too which it won't without a firmware/software upgrade. And anything like that has to go back through the radio spectrum certification to be allowed to transmit it.

Yup, that is the idea. EU-BR is backing the project, spectrum management agencies are aware and cooperating, Ericsson/Telefónica are commercial partners. :)

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6 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Yup, that is the idea. EU-BR is backing the project, spectrum management agencies are aware and cooperating, Ericsson/Telefónica are commercial partners. :)

BR is about to go through brexit which may suck so very hard looking for more than well wishes from that direction may be over optomistic. 

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