Is it just me, or is the Radeon 6800(non x) pointless?

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Hear me out. I am BEYOND excited that there is going to be competition in the gpu space. The only problem is I believe the 6800 sku is in kind of a weird spot. I know reviews aren’t out yet but we have a pretty good idea. The 6800xt is looking to be the gpu of the year. It may even SURPASS the Rtx 3080 for 50 less bucks. It’s insane. The 6900xt is going to need to be HEAVILY binned in order to come anywhere close to the 3090 so I’m expecting availability to be a nightmare and the real street value far above the 999 MSRP. Unlike previous years and cards, the 6800xt is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than the 6800 at only 70 ish bucks more. The 6800 is kinda pointless. Had it been at the 499 price point this would be a different conversation. The 3070 has DLSS, Gsync support, historically more stable drivers, and is 80 bucks less than the 6800. I get there’s not as much memory as the 6800 but unless you are 4k gaming this isn’t a factor. Correct me if I’m wrong but I just think the 6800 is a pointless sku and amd is getting WAY to comfortable with their market leading prices 

[Poison4K]

I mean, it's technically better than the 3070 for gaming by enough of a margin to justify the $80 price bump but as you said the 6800XT is only $70 more with a lot more performance.

Nvidia, of course, has it's own featureset such as DLSS, NVENC, G-Sync where there's little incentive for the 6800, anywhere.
Anybody who has $80 more than a 3070, who only games, i'd recommend waiting just a tiny bit more for the extra $70 over that for the 6800XT.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

11 minutes ago, Poison4K said:

I mean, it's technically better than the 3070 for gaming by enough of a margin to justify the $80 price bump but as you said the 6800XT is only $70 more with a lot more performance.

Nvidia, of course, has it's own featureset such as DLSS, NVENC, G-Sync where there's little incentive for the 6800, anywhere.
Anybody who has $80 more than a 3070, who only games, i'd recommend waiting just a tiny bit more for the extra $70 over that for the 6800XT.

Exactly. 3070 makes sense, 3080 makes sense, 6800xt makes sense. 

[Fasauceome]

1 hour ago, Poison4K said:

Nvidia, of course, has it's own featureset such as DLSS, NVENC, G-Sync where there's little incentive for the 6800, anywhere.

AMD has RIS which does the same thing as DLSS (and has for a while,) gsync and freesync are intercompatible on modern hardware, and AMD has encoders even if they're not as good. So Nvidia doesn't really have a massive feature set advantage.

 

As for how much "sense" the 6800 makes, AMD cannot leave a 3070-shaped blind spot in their lineup. Even though the 6800 XT might have better value, the product matchups need to exist.

[Sophia_Borjia]

I think it is more of they have some dies that don' perform to 6800xt spec, they can sell them cheaper or throw them out.  There are lower dies we haven't had official release for yet, pricing it to low could mess with those sales. we will probably have cards about $70 apart down stack.  Once we have $500, $430, $360 cards added in it should make more sense.  At some point we will have $200-1000 spread of cards, they will just take year to trickle in.

 

3090 is about 10% faster then 3080.  6900xt has 11% more cores, clock speed is no higher.  Both cards are not good deals, 3080 and 6800xt are better for majority of people.  Professionals that have performance pay itself back in productivity and people that don't care about a $200 bill for dinner will get the top cards, market isn't that big.

[RasmusDC]

i need to see the tests to vote the 6 series a succes, on different platform´s by independent areas.. but if all fits.. i would say that the only AMD card that actually makes sense is the 6900XT, since you get a lot of compute power for less money than the 3090..

 

the 3080 still seems to hit the sweet spot, you get nvidia driver stability, which sorry AMD showed still is an issue with the 5700xt... for a measly 50 bucks more, the 3080 also has WAY faster ram, but yes less of it, and DLSS seems to be outperforming AMD´s competitor, however RTX performance seems to be on par..

 

and you are not forced to upgrade your CPU to get the full unlocked potential of a NVIDIA card, where you need to with the 6 series, to get the actual performance, although if i HAD to buy a pc today, it would be a 5800x (but my 8700k is still "decent")..

 

i actually hope the 6800 will be the budget card that will fight off the 3060TI as an example by dumping the price a bit on it.. then we suddenly have a 6800 non xt and a 6900xt, that for me are the best cards in their bracket..

 

I hope i can trust AMD´s drivers, but after owning a 5700XT for my son´s setup, and ALL the issues it had for a long time, feeling like being back in the old days, where you had to switch drivers to older versions to get games running properly.. have not had that issues with NVidia since the 285GTX, yes performance gains by new drivers, but never rough instability, screen blanking, shader issues and stuff like that.

 

but there is some "cool" thing about buying a 6800xt + 5800xt, since you will have a full AMD system.... 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

On 11/6/2020 at 2:09 AM, RasmusDC said:

i need to see the tests to vote the 6 series a succes, on different platform´s by independent areas.. but if all fits.. i would say that the only AMD card that actually makes sense is the 6900XT, since you get a lot of compute power for less money than the 3090..

 

the 3080 still seems to hit the sweet spot, you get nvidia driver stability, which sorry AMD showed still is an issue with the 5700xt... for a measly 50 bucks more, the 3080 also has WAY faster ram, but yes less of it, and DLSS seems to be outperforming AMD´s competitor, however RTX performance seems to be on par..

 

and you are not forced to upgrade your CPU to get the full unlocked potential of a NVIDIA card, where you need to with the 6 series, to get the actual performance, although if i HAD to buy a pc today, it would be a 5800x (but my 8700k is still "decent")..

 

i actually hope the 6800 will be the budget card that will fight off the 3060TI as an example by dumping the price a bit on it.. then we suddenly have a 6800 non xt and a 6900xt, that for me are the best cards in their bracket..

 

I hope i can trust AMD´s drivers, but after owning a 5700XT for my son´s setup, and ALL the issues it had for a long time, feeling like being back in the old days, where you had to switch drivers to older versions to get games running properly.. have not had that issues with NVidia since the 285GTX, yes performance gains by new drivers, but never rough instability, screen blanking, shader issues and stuff like that.

 

but there is some "cool" thing about buying a 6800xt + 5800xt, since you will have a full AMD system.... 

yeah that’s why I personally went with a 3070

[RasmusDC]

21 hours ago, Ryan829 said:

yeah that’s why I personally went with a 3070

it´s fun the people that know i have a 3080 keeps sending me pm´s with 6800xt performance 20Gig TI models and so on.. i get it, there might be better cards out there, but i have mine NOW, i don´t know when the others will be possible to purchase..

 

and as i se it .. performance differences seems to at maximum be .. negible if at all better for the AMD.. 

 

the 3080 in my PC just runs, and have had NO issues with it, and smacks my 1080ti.. well yeah, running BF5 suddenly with RTX on, and 1440p not supporting DLSS, the 1080ti actually yielded better FPS than the 3080.. but i get RTX..

 

however i really did not know that DLSS was resolution specific as it is, some games support it in 1440p, BFV does not.. only 4K... 

[Dedayog]

Going to suck when the AMD 6xxx series CPU's come out.

 

Naming convention is ass-stupid.

 

As @Fasauceome said, the matchup needs to exist because consumers aren't all that intelligent.