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Where Gaming Begins: Ryzen 5000 Series Reviews

2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Wasn't there a couple posts about shipping info that was leaked from resellers showing Nvidia only providing them like 13% of what they originally said they would? It probably stems from Nvidia lying to it's investors about mining sales last year. Put people on edge

You're probably thinking of Proshop and no, that's not what happened at all.

Here is the thread but please read it VERY carefully. People are throwing around numbers that they pulled out of their asses in that thread, a lot.

 

Basically, Proshop had around 4000 customers that had ordered 30 series graphics cards.

Proshop put in an order from Nvidia/MSI/ASUS/GIGABYTE/Etc for over 11,000 graphics cards. I can't remember how many cards ProShop had actually received but of course it was way less than 11,000. It was less than 4,000 as well but the point I was making in that thread is that all stores all over the world are currently trying to over-stock 30 series graphics cards because for them it's basically like ordering money. All stock they can get a hold of will be sold, so it's not strange that they are ordering 

massive quantities and manufacturers can't keep up with the demand.

 

I also argued that the numbers were completely meaningless because we have no idea how many graphics cards ProShop usually sells or orders, which is very important info if we try to make some comparison against other graphic card launches.

The entire thread is basically people trying to draw conclusions that agree with their preconceived conclusions even though the data is very much incomplete.

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31 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Sold out everywhere already lol

I don't think it is officially released until 9EST.

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12 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

but had the same launch msrp of the 3600x, and is still 8-3% better.

1) It isn't the same MSRP as the 3600X. The 3600X was launched at $249.

2) The 3600X has gone down in price.

3) The 3600X was really poor value at launch as well. The X in the 3600X basically stood for "I want to donate 50 dollars to AMD for no reason".

 

If you compare the 5600X, which is poor value, against the 3600X which was also poor value then sure it doesn't look as bad, but if you instead compare it to the 3600, which was good value and people actually bought, then the 5600X suddenly becomes a really bad buy.

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I mean it was worse for us on the 3000 GPU series here in Japan, it was basically by line up for lottery only on launch. Compared to today that the AMD CPUs are available for sale and we could line up for a purchase. 

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4 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

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Gotcha that makes sense. Yeah a lot of people are trigger happy to bash one side or another. The 3090 is still out of stock everywhere though 

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4 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

1) It isn't the same MSRP as the 3600X. The 3600X was launched at $249.

 

The ltt video has both at 299$

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6 minutes ago, HitItFromTheBack said:

I'm able to buy a 5600x on newegg right now but everything else is sold out.

Someone jumped the gun they aren't supposed to be selling yet I believe...

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13 minutes ago, JAKEBAB said:

Doubt it. This is AMD. They can do no wrong. $50 price increase and I don't see anyone complaining 😂😂

It's actually a 100 dollar price if you compare the 3600 vs the 5600X.

Yes, yes I know one is an X model and the other one is not, but that does not matter at all.

The X used to stand for "I am a fanboy and want to donate money to AMD for no reason". Now the X stands for "fuck you" because they don't give you the option to buy a non-X model.

 

If you are going to buy a 6 core 12 thread CPU you got these options now:

3600 - $199 and has 96.9% performance.

3600X - $229 and has 96.9% performance.

5600X - $299 and has 100% performance.

 

And yes, the performance difference is so small between the 3600 and the 3600X that it doesn't even register as a difference in TechPowerUp's benchmarks. That's how little you gained for that extra 50 dollars and why I call it a donation.

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27 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

The 5600X is a very, very bad buy if you are building a gaming PC. Buy a 3600 instead. Almost the same performance at way lower of a price.

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24 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

but had the same launch msrp of the 3600x, and is still 8-3% better.

9 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

1) It isn't the same MSRP as the 3600X. The 3600X was launched at $249.

4 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

The ltt video has both at 299$

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1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

The ltt video has both at 299$

That's because LTT gets things wrong all the time and this is no exception. Do not trust LTT.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-review,1.html

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  • Ryzen 5 3600X (6c/12t) priced at 249 USD
  • Ryzen 5 3600 (6c/12t) priced at 199 USD

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-review,6245.html

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Ryzen 5 3600X $249          
Ryzen 5 3600 $199          

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-review

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Ryzen 5 3600 - $199

Ryzen 5 3600X - $249

 

 

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-3600

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Launch price 3600 - $199

Launch price 3600X - $249

 

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And yes, the performance difference is so small between the 3600 and the 3600X that it doesn't even register as a difference in TechPowerUp's benchmarks. That's how little you gained for that extra 50 dollars and why I call it a donation.

OTOH, if you play CS:Go or Valorant you're looking at about a 20% boost in performance. If you play Civ 6 you're looking at a 18% reduction in turn times(the actual important metric when playing Civ, not FPS). If you play Total War Three Kingdoms you're looking at a 25% increase in FPS, If you play Doom Eternal, you're looking at a 22% increase in FPS. It's almost as if the games TPU uses are crap metrics or something.

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Yo' fucking Ryzen 5000 is insane bois.

The 5900X especially is such an amazing value option, i know AMD is charging a premium over their last gen CPUs but in all honesty, they can.
I think anybody waiting for Intel's next-gen CPUs on 14nm is making a big mistake, i have no idea what else Intel is gonna bring to the table.

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6 minutes ago, Poison4K said:

Yo' fucking Ryzen 5000 is insane bois.

The 5900X especially is such an amazing value option, i know AMD is charging a premium over their last gen CPUs but in all honesty, they can.
I think anybody waiting for Intel's next-gen CPUs on 14nm is making a big mistake, i have no idea what else Intel is gonna bring to the table.

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6 minutes ago, ravenshrike said:

OTOH, if you play CS:Go or Valorant you're looking at about a 20% boost in performance. If you play Civ 6 you're looking at a 18% reduction in turn times(the actual important metric when playing Civ, not FPS). If you play Total War Three Kingdoms you're looking at a 25% increase in FPS, If you play Doom Eternal, you're looking at a 22% increase in FPS. It's almost as if the games TPU uses are crap metrics or something.

Where are you getting those numbers from?

 

Also, even if those numbers are accurate that still means it has worse price to performance ratio than the 3600 or even the 3600X.

 

Also, those benchmarks sound very cherry picked... Maybe the issue isn't that "TPU picked the wrong games!" but rather that you are picking only the games that show the biggest increases rather than the average increase from your typical game?

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15 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

 

Also, those benchmarks sound very cherry picked... Maybe the issue isn't that "TPU picked the wrong games!" but rather that you are picking only the games that show the biggest increases rather than the average increase from your typical game?

Civ 6 is pretty much the gold standard of metrics for TBS games. Which is why TPU uses it. Course, they look at FPS which in a TBS game is a completely fucking useless metric. CS:GO, Valorant, and Doom:Eternal are from Hardware Canucks. Civ6 and TW:TK are extrapolated from the delta between the 5950X and 3950X since GN hasn't released their 5600X vid yet. However looking at the difference in deltas between the 5800x and 3800x vs the 5600x and 3600x for CS:Go, Valorant, COD:MW remaster, and Horizon Zero Dawn the delta only gets larger as you drop in number of cores. Which means I'm pretty damned confident in them.

 

As for the numbers being cherry picked, measuring CPU performance in GPU or game engine bound titles which all of TPUs metrics are is fucking moronic.

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35 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

It's actually a 100 dollar price if you compare the 3600 vs the 5600X.

Yes, yes I know one is an X model and the other one is not, but that does not matter at all.

The X used to stand for "I am a fanboy and want to donate money to AMD for no reason". Now the X stands for "fuck you" because they don't give you the option to buy a non-X model.

Yes, let's compare 2 products from different lineups, that makes complete sense.

One being X model and other being non-x model does matter. 

You said that people in the other thread were "trying to draw conclusions that agree with their preconceived conclusions even though the data is very much incomplete", but you are literally doing the exact same thing. 

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30 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

These CPUs seem to be about what I was expecting.

Very good, but the 5600X is a bad buy unless you absolutely need single core performance above all else (such as price:performance or multicore performance).

 

 

Actually, the price to performance is way worse than I expected.

 

At 1080p gaming the 5600X is 50% more expensive than the 3600 but only performs 8.3% better.

 

At 1440p gaming the 5600X is 50% more expensive than the 3600 but only performs 3.2% better.

 

 

The 5600X is a very, very bad buy if you are building a gaming PC. Buy a 3600 instead. Almost the same performance at way lower of a price.

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idk LTT's benchmarks showed 27% better performance in tombraider, 19% in ms flight simulator, 36% in csgo

and this is vs the 3600XT 

also the 5600x consistently beats intel's 10900k 

but yeah ill probably get a 5800x so i can run other programs in the background without cutting into game performance in fact im tempted to get a 5900x since its not that much more but ill control myself

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4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

but yeah ill probably get a 5800x so i can run other programs in the background without cutting into game performance in fact im tempted to get a 5900x since its not that much more but ill control myself

This is the exact progression of thought that occurred with me lol

"For just $100 more i can get 50% more cores and threads?"

The 5900X really is such a tasty deal, i was gonna go with the 5800X until i saw AMD reveal what they were planning to retail the new chips at.

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

These CPUs seem to be about what I was expecting.

Very good, but the 5600X is a bad buy unless you absolutely need single core performance above all else (such as price:performance or multicore performance).

 

 

Actually, the price to performance is way worse than I expected.

 

At 1080p gaming the 5600X is 50% more expensive than the 3600 but only performs 8.3% better.

 

At 1440p gaming the 5600X is 50% more expensive than the 3600 but only performs 3.2% better.

 

 

The 5600X is a very, very bad buy if you are building a gaming PC. Buy a 3600 instead. Almost the same performance at way lower of a price.

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Well, 5600X is a great buy if all you care is gaming and you're doing it from much older generation and not from 3600X . It's somewhat "affordable" and delivers. Personally, I'll probably just go with 5900X as I change platform somewhere between 5-6 years so I kinda want something better. Plus these parts turbo even higher by default and I kinda want that. And when you're buying system for such long term operation, you don't go for most budget parts, you go all out, but not on crazy stupid levels. It's why I went with 5820K a "high end" HEDT platform instead of at the time newer 6700K with less cores. I don't think 6700K would've served me for so long and so well. And in such long period of time, 200-300€ more basically disappears.

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I wonder if people will come up with wild and completely unfounded conspiracy theories regarding this, just like they did with Nvidia's 30 series GPUs.

 

"It's a paper launch!"

"AMD are sandbagging!"

"AMD are having issues with production!"

"AMD are only selling to influencers and high status people!"

 

 

Because clearly "they are popular and demand is greater than supply" is too boring of an explanation.

I'm not into the conspiracy theory thing or whatever but I am surprised that an $800 processor would have such high demand. Where are all the buyers with this level of disposable income?

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