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IS 10GB ENOUGH? 3080 or 6800xt ?

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I want to build a new pc for around 1500 usd and i really want it to have a long lifespan without having to make big upgrades.

so now i have to choose between the 3080 and the 6800xt i would rationally go for the 6800xt because its cheaper and it has more vram but I still have my doubts because i really like ray tracing and have wanted to try it sometime and there is also dlss, so should i buy 6800xt and have a pc that will probably last me more or do i go for the 3080 that has dlss + ray tracing + i am more used to nvidia 

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If you're sticking to 1440p then it is perfectly enough for now and anywhere the near future.

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Just now, Princess Luna said:

If you're sticking to 1440p then it is perfectly enough for now and anywhere the near future.

i will be playing on a 1080p 240hz monitor

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Honestly it's your choice! I find that in my experience 10gb is enough (definitely for 1440p and in most cases 4K), but it depends on your use case!

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Just now, mcnuget said:

1080p 240hz monitor

Get a 3070 then. No point in 3080 at 1080p imo. 

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Just now, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Get a 3070 then. No point in 3080 at 1080p imo. 

i thought about it but i hope to have a pc that will last me hopefully 5+ years and i dont bother that much paying 200 usd more

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16 hours ago, mcnuget said:

i thought about it but i hope to have a pc that will last me hopefully 5+ years and i dont bother that much paying 200 usd more

With 1080p you're more stuck on a cpu bottleneck than anything

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Just now, mcnuget said:

i will be playing on a 1080p 240hz monitor

Why? 240hz is a gimmick, past 165hz the frametime windows becomes too narrow to be meaningfully perceptible so any 1440p165hz panel is a better purchase for the money, you'll even be getting IPS or VA for better image quality on top of it.

 

If you still want 240hz no matter what because CSGO and what not then yeah get a 3070 and put all your money into a CPU and memory config to push that many frames. You know i7/i9 or this new Ryzen releasing soon.

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2 minutes ago, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Get a 3070 then. No point in 3080 at 1080p imo. 

im playing fortnite competitively and the 3070 doesnt do 240 fps with the settings i wana play with

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Just now, Slottr said:

With 1080p you're more stuck on a cpu bottleneck more than anything

is 3700x or 5600x enough?

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Just now, mcnuget said:

i thought about it but i hope to have a pc that will last me hopefully 5+ years and i dont bother that much paying 200 usd more

Oh ok, not a bad point honestly.  The 3080 won't even break a sweat at 1080p, you could go for 6800 XT or 3080 and both will perform very close due to CPU limitations.  Honestly choose either, they will both be wayyy overkill

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Just now, mcnuget said:

3700x or 5600x enough?

Get a 5600X for sure

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Just now, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Get a 5600X for sure

ok

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4 minutes ago, mcnuget said:

ok

before you buy amd intel offering is supposed to be better in single threaded preformance(this is all on userbenchmark so we have very little on cooling setup and specific parts). this should push intel above amd if they market it right(just don't make an I9)

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2 minutes ago, Doubble said:

before you buy amd intel offering is supposed to be better in single threaded preformance(this is all on userbenchmark so we have very little on cooling setup and specific parts). this should push intel above amd if they market it right(just don't make an I9)

is there any leaks in price?

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2 hours ago, Doubble said:

before you buy amd intel offering is supposed to be better in single threaded preformance(this is all on userbenchmark so we have very little on cooling setup and specific parts). this should push intel above amd if they market it right(just don't make an I9)

The AMD Ryzen 5000 series changes that, as they outperform in single thread operations as well.

2 hours ago, mcnuget said:

I want to build a new pc for around 1500 usd and i really want it to have a long lifespan without having to make big upgrades.

The Ryzen 5000 with an RX 6800XT on a B550 or X570 motherboard will be your best bet for performance. It will exceed the performance of any other price-comparable component combination.

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1 minute ago, BTGbullseye said:

The AMD Ryzen 5000 series changes that, as they outperform in single thread operations as well.

im not talking 10th gen. 10th gen is a failure when intel couldn't fail. 11th gen based of leaked benchmarks will outcompete a 5800x.

1 minute ago, BTGbullseye said:

The Ryzen 5000 with an RX 6800XT on a B550 or X570 motherboard will be your best bet for performance. It will exceed the performance of any other price-comparable component combination. 

RX 6800XT is not a good card. AMD in a benchmark lost by a decent amount due to its lack of DLSS in AAA titles. $50 is not worth a 30% decrease In FIRST PARTY results

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20 minutes ago, Doubble said:

im not talking 10th gen. 10th gen is a failure when intel couldn't fail. 11th gen based of leaked benchmarks will outcompete a 5800x.

RX 6800XT is not a good card. AMD in a benchmark lost by a decent amount due to its lack of DLSS in AAA titles. $50 is not worth a 30% decrease In FIRST PARTY results

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yeah.. as said only time will tell, i´ve been running 4K with a 1080TI 11 GB for many years, and no issues, RTX should be more RAM friendly.

 

there are plenty of cards that are 8GB, so they should not completely discard this. an example is the series X that has a shared 16GB as i read it, and consoles are still going to define how games are optimized, since they are the low bar, and that 16GB is shared between GPU and CPU.. (and it is a 4K120hz)

 

and the 3080 has DDR6X vs the ATI DDR6 so it is faster ram on the 3080, that might also mean something in the future.

 

ATI cards has had more ram, remember the 970GTX debacle with the 4GB that had 512MB running REALLY slow.. even today the 970gtx is still a decent card, and i ran 4K with a 970GTX SLI setup, that is a 4GB setup , that ran BF and stuff like that at full speed and ultra settings..

 

to be honest i am not worried, you might have one setting in one game, that puts you over the 10GB range slider... nobody knows.

 

There is however GOD FALL that with the 4Kx4K texture pack seems to require 12GB of Vram, but it is a AMD partnered game, so it might just be something added, and i am quite sure that it is only on PC, because running a 12GB Vram requirement on a console.. that still has to allocate ram for the CPU elements, seems to be a bit steep..  so that game in 4K there might be a setting that has to run high instead of ULTRA; but have run f.ex. GTA5 way beyond Vram specs on a 970gtx without a hickup.

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2 hours ago, Doubble said:

im not talking 10th gen. 10th gen is a failure when intel couldn't fail. 11th gen based of leaked benchmarks will outcompete a 5800x.

The "leaked benchmarks" would at best be on prototype engineering samples... Not even close to representative of real-world performance from production chips. (and the leaks do not show higher performance from Intel in any metric right now)

2 hours ago, Doubble said:

RX 6800XT is not a good card. AMD in a benchmark lost by a decent amount due to its lack of DLSS in AAA titles.

DLSS is only available in select titles that implement it, (and there aren't many of them) and can therefore not be used for broad-stroke assumptions about performance.

58 minutes ago, RasmusDC said:

ATI

ATI doesn't exist anymore dude... AMD ate them.

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3 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

The "leaked benchmarks" would at best be on prototype engineering samples... Not even close to representative of real-world performance from production chips. (and the leaks do not show higher performance from Intel in any metric right now)

DLSS is only available in select titles that implement it, (and there aren't many of them) and can therefore not be used for broad-stroke assumptions about performance.

ATI doesn't exist anymore dude... AMD ate them.

so i should buy 6800xt ?

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7 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

The AMD Ryzen 5000 series changes that, as they outperform in single thread operations as well.

The Ryzen 5000 with an RX 6800XT on a B550 or X570 motherboard will be your best bet for performance. It will exceed the performance of any other price-comparable component combination.

will the 5600x bottleneck the 6800xt?

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5 hours ago, mcnuget said:

will the 5600x bottleneck the 6800xt?

No. The 5600X beats the 10700k in virtually everything according to benchmarks. It also performs similarly to the 8700K on LN2 at 6.6GHz, and that's at stock settings with air cooling. The Ryzen 5000 series chips will not bottleneck any system.

6 hours ago, mcnuget said:

so i should buy 6800xt ?

If you're going to get a Ryzen 5000 series CPU, then yes. If you're not, then I'd say to wait for benchmarks first.

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2 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

No. The 5600X beats the 10700k in virtually everything according to benchmarks. It also performs similarly to the 8700K on LN2 at 6.6GHz, and that's at stock settings with air cooling. The Ryzen 5000 series chips will not bottleneck any system.

If you're going to get a Ryzen 5000 series CPU, then yes. If you're not, then I'd say to wait for benchmarks first.

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2 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

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