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RX 6800 Ray Tracing Performance Leaked

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UPDATE: Frank Azor (Chief Gaming Architect at AMD) promised that more details would be released about Big Navi ray tracing and super resolution before the launch of the cards.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-frank-azor-promises-more-details-on-radeon-rx-6000-ray-tracing-and-super-sampling-tech-before-launch

https://twitter.com/AzorFrank/status/1321808969283870721 

 

Summary

The ray tracing performance of the RX 6800 on Shadow of the Tomb Raider has leaked. The leaked benchmark shows the 6800 scoring 46 FPS at 4K and 80 FPS at WQHD. Wccftech tested the RTX 3070 and RTX 2080ti with a similar system to the one used for the RX 6800 and showed the 6800 beats the 3070 without DLSS but the 3070 beats the 6800 with DLSS enabled. The system used for the 6800 leaked benchmark features a Ryzen 5 3500x and 16GB of DDR4. 

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The game was set to the Ultra quality preset with 8x Anisotropic Filtering, Screen space Lens and effects set to Normal quality, and raytracing shadows quality set to High.

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In terms of performance, the GPU scored 46 FPS at 4K and 80 FPS at WQHD (1440p) resolution in the title. For comparison, we tested the GeForce RTX 3070 in the same benchmark with a similar CPU configuration and the same settings and got 54 FPS at 4K and 85 FPS at WQHD. One thing to note is that the results were with DLSS enabled so you can expect lower performance for the card with the feature enabled. You can see our results below.

My thoughts

If these benchmarks are true, I'm surprised AMD can compete with Nvidia in ray tracing performance. I'm still not sure if this justifies the $80 more the 6800 is compared to the 3070, especially considering the 3070 has DLSS.

 

Sources

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-6800-rdna-2-graphics-card-ray-tracing-dxr-benchmarks-leak-out/

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6 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

If these benchmarks are true, I'm surprised AMD can compete with Nvidia in ray tracing performance.

And most importantly, why rt numbers weren't show during the presentation.

In any case, we couldn't expect anything better than this.

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3D Mark Timespy results have also leaked. The results show that the 6800 performs better in this benchmark than the RTX Titan. The Timespy results also show the 6800 competitive with the 3080.

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24 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

a Ryzen 5 3500x

Maybe, it is CPU bottlenecked but not that much, but............lots of buts.........................AMD had said that there new 5000-series ryzen CPUs will have better synchronization with the 69-series ( :) ) i.e. the new GPUs. So we will have to wait and BTW i think its going to be a huge mess that some games use Nvidia's brand of DXR, some use of AMD's (although AMD's version might have more users due to consoles).

Overall Stonks ! for AMD if.

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Great, now lets see what it looks like at 1440P. I don't take 4K seriously. Its vastly over rated and won't even be the standard resolution for gaming for at least another generation anyway.

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1 minute ago, BlackManINC said:

Great, now lets see what it looks like at 1440P. I don't take 4K seriously. Its vastly over rated and won't even be the standard resolution for gaming for at least another generation anyway.

The ray tracing performance at WQHD was leaked.

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1 minute ago, ravenshrike said:

Were they using the AMD equivalent of DLSS or just native resolution?

The AMD equivalent of DLSS is not out yet, according to rumors it's being worked on. So they were using native res.

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9 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

The ray tracing performance at WQHD was leaked.

😄 I see it, now thats a LOT better. I don't understand what makes 4K so appealing to people. The game will look and feel a lot smoother with a higher frame rate any damn way. ffs 🙃.....Looking forward to seeing RX 6800XT numbers. 

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Not bad, all things considered.

 

Personally, whether I go AMD or Nvidia this generation, depends entirely on stocks if the cards really are on par with one another like that. It's whichever one I can snag, really.

 

I would love to go "used" and just get a 2080 ti... But the used market in Canada is ridiculous right now and people are still demanding nearly $1000 CAD for them on ebay. Like... I get it, you paid a lot for it... But it just ain't worth that much anymore when the 3070 exist for much less than that... Too bad there's no stock. 🤦‍♂️

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Thing with ray tracing is that it's relatively straight forward process. You can't wave a magic wand and make it faster. Calculating a ray bounce can't really be optimized beyond what anyone can do. You define amount of rays per pixel and amount of bounces with certain decline of light with every bounce. And to avoid using insane amounts of rays per pixel to get clean image, you use a denoiser. NVIDIA made big deal like their denoising is some magical thing done only by them.

 

Bottom line is, results are as I've expected them. I was expecting basically the same performance and NVIDIA taking the edge in DLSS supported titles. We'll have to see what's AMD's Super Resolution feature and if it works similar to DLSS in any way. Then we can expect similar outcome on AMD's side. I just hope AMD's implementation works in all games, that would be nice. Can't think of anyone else it would be. Coz Virtual Super Resolution is already rendering at higher resolution and outputting on lower resolution display. Super Resolution can only be something similar to DLSS. We'll see what it is. Hopefully soon.

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That's the 6800 too. I wanna see 6900XT numbers

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Don't know much about the technology behind DLSS, can support be added via a software update? I know tensor cores power DLSS, but is the technology possible without these tensor cores?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

Don't know much about the technology behind DLSS, can support be added via a software update? I know tensor cores power DLSS, but is the technology possible without these tensor cores?

 

Yes, it's just much much slower right now

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24 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

Don't know much about the technology behind DLSS, can support be added via a software update? I know tensor cores power DLSS, but is the technology possible without these tensor cores?

 

Yup, driver support and game support. Tensor cores can speed up some ML applications, but it may not be necessary/useful depending on the ML model. If AMD manage to reproduce similar results with a simpler model, they could get similar/better performance. Not really sure they can beat the Nvidia ML pros though.

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Oh no. Has AMD entered the memetracing competition too? welp, byebye to low prices I guess, $400 extra on a card just because it comes with that "feature", just like nvidia

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21 minutes ago, Caroline said:

Oh no. Has AMD entered the memetracing competition too? welp, byebye to low prices I guess, $400 extra on a card just because it comes with that "feature", just like nvidia

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Not really. NVIDIA charged a premium because only they had it. Now that everyone has it, both GPU makers, all consoles, it's a standard feature.

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3 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Not really. NVIDIA charged a premium because only they had it. Now that everyone has it, both GPU makers, all consoles, it's a standard feature.

Next year Intel is also getting ray tracing on their GPUs.

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2 hours ago, Random_Person1234 said:

My thoughts

If these benchmarks are true, I'm surprised AMD can compete with Nvidia in ray tracing performance. I'm still not sure if this justifies the $80 more the 6800 is compared to the 3070, especially considering the 3070 has DLSS.

 

I think AMD's stance would be that its beating the hardware in raw power as opposed to some trickery and magic with DLSS. Also, one day they may have their own answer to DLSS and then the uplift would again beat the 3070 w/ DLSS. Though I do wish the 6800 was a tad more cheaper as I'm personally eyeing that myself now. 

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2 hours ago, Random_Person1234 said:

I'm still not sure if this justifies the $80 more the 6800 is compared to the 3070, especially considering the 3070 has DLSS.

Some of the aib 3070s are pushing $600 so I think it will be very competitive against them. 

 

My prediction is that a lot of current intel users who only want to upgrade their gpu (and have a 650w psu) will settle on the 3070, but those building a new a system will go entirely AMD. 

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So...maybe my second AMD dGPU after my "for fun" HD7970?

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45 minutes ago, mwagen said:

Some of the aib 3070s are pushing $600 so I think it will be very competitive against them. 

 

My prediction is that a lot of current intel users who only want to upgrade their gpu (and have a 650w psu) will settle on the 3070, but those building a new a system will go entirely AMD. 

It might be interesting too when AMD launches the rest of the Navi stack. RX 6700 and RX 6600 series will be super interesting and with way how performance jumped, we can sort of expect RX 6600 to be at least on RX 5700XT level. And RX 5700XT was already somewhere on the level of GTX 1080Ti. A flagship from not that long ago. If they keep the performance per watt they'll have some really high performing, low power cards down the stack.

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3 hours ago, Justaphysicsnerd said:

i think its going to be a huge mess that some games use Nvidia's brand of DXR, some use of AMD's

AMD's "brand" of DXR is just the DX12 implementation of it.  Nothing special or unique to their hardware.  There may be some specific optimizations for their cards, but the API is hardware agnostic.

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8 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

AMD's "brand" of DXR is just the DX12 implementation of it.  Nothing special or unique to their hardware.  There may be some specific optimizations for their cards, but the API is hardware agnostic.

Technically, so is "RTX". It's just NVIDIA branded crap slammed on top of what's essentially DXR. And since it's "RTX" they can make it NVIDIA specific. Meaning if they want to be real assholes, they can prevent it from running on Radeon cards as part of GameWorks proprietary nonsense used by game devs. But underneath, it's really still DXR. NVIDIA didn't invent ray tracing and DXR specs were actually laid out before RTX was even a thing. DXR life began officially in late 2017 and I'm fairly certain industry giants including AMD were involved in it (they all worked with ray tracing as offline rendering method before). That's the year when GTX 1080Ti was launched as a reference how far back that was.

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