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1080TI Overclocking

Vibes NoVibes
By Vibes NoVibes
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I own a Zotac 1080Ti Amp Extreme and I am forced to underclock my card to play games. When I underclock the card to get a core speed of 1.95 - 1.97 Ghz its stable at mem clock speed of 6.22 Ghz but anything beyond that would crash the benchmarks ( FURMARK or HEAVEN). Can I do anything to make it more efficient?

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Drop the memory overclock down to like 400-500Mhz. It's probably crashing because of unstable memory. A faster core clock will help a lot more in gaming than higher mem speeds

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Drop the memory overclock down to like 400-500Mhz. It's probably crashing because of unstable memory. A faster core clock will help a lot more in gaming than higher mem speeds

Hey! It's stable at these speeds but I am wondering if I can milk the core clocks a bit further.

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usually you try and get the highest core clock possible before messing with memory speeds, as core clocks are most important. have you validated your current overclock against stock clocks?

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CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

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2 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

usually you try and get the highest core clock possible before messing with memory speeds, as core clocks are most important. have you validated your current overclock against stock clocks?

Yes I have.. anything above 1.975 ghz causes a crash ☹️ Am I undervolting?

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5 minutes ago, Vibes NoVibes said:

Yes I have.. anything above 1.975 ghz causes a crash ☹️ Am I undervolting?

so if you reset it to complete defaults, 0 offset, it crashes in benchmarks? if you unlock the voltage and give it the max that it allows do you get anything better? 

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my "oops i bought intel right before zen 3 releases" build

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (placeholder)

GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

Memory: 2x16gb GSkill Trident Z RGB 3600C16, 14-15-30-288@1.45v

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S w/ white chromax bling
OS Drive: Samsung PM981 1tb (OEM 970 Evo)

Storage Drive: XPG SX8200 Pro 2tb

Backup Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4TB

PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750W w/ black/white Cablemod extensions
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Dark (to be replaced with a good case shortly)

basically everything was bought used off of reddit or here, only new component was the case. absolutely nutty deals for some of these parts, ill have to tally it all up once it's "done" :D 

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17 minutes ago, Vibes NoVibes said:

Hey! It's stable at these speeds but I am wondering if I can milk the core clocks a bit further.

You have it backwards at least for gaming. Get the highest stable core clock then see what you can get from the memory 

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9 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

so if you reset it to complete defaults, 0 offset, it crashes in benchmarks? if you unlock the voltage and give it the max that it allows do you get anything better? 

Yes it does

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My GTX 1080 becomes unstable just from installing Afterburner or EVGA Precision. It boosts above 1949mhz which is the normal boost clock for my card, it boosts up to 1986mhz or so instead and unless you add more voltage and power limit it will crash in games. It'll go to like 2011mhz but that'll only pass Firestrike half of the time.

 

I spent weeks trying to figure out some settings, I didn't get the good memory that'll handle the +500, it has the lower end binned sku gpu. So it basically ended in an overclock that was almost entirely just a fan curve while using more power where you wonder if your meaningless, unnoticeable performance gain that you're getting is being negated just by running Afterburner.

 

Some cards are just potatos, without the ability to actually increase power and voltage through the bios you won't get much out of them. I think there's some vbios'es that you can flash on a 1080ti which will increase the power limit but that's doesn't seem to be an option for 1080's so I can't say.

 

Overclocking my ATI and AMD cards was quite fun and easy enough when you committed to modifying the vbios, Nvidia overclocking feels more like asking the card very nicely to go faster.

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20 minutes ago, Slayer3032 said:

My GTX 1080 becomes unstable just from installing Afterburner or EVGA Precision. It boosts above 1949mhz which is the normal boost clock for my card, it boosts up to 1986mhz or so instead and unless you add more voltage and power limit it will crash in games. It'll go to like 2011mhz but that'll only pass Firestrike half of the time.

 

I spent weeks trying to figure out some settings, I didn't get the good memory that'll handle the +500, it has the lower end binned sku gpu. So it basically ended in an overclock that was almost entirely just a fan curve while using more power where you wonder if your meaningless, unnoticeable performance gain that you're getting is being negated just by running Afterburner.

 

Some cards are just potatos, without the ability to actually increase power and voltage through the bios you won't get much out of them. I think there's some vbios'es that you can flash on a 1080ti which will increase the power limit but that's doesn't seem to be an option for 1080's so I can't say.

 

Overclocking my ATI and AMD cards was quite fun and easy enough when you committed to modifying the vbios, Nvidia overclocking feels more like asking the card very nicely to go faster.

Should I reset my bios then?

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1 hour ago, Vibes NoVibes said:

Should I reset my bios then?

Additionally should I just assume that 1.97 Ghz is a pretty good performance measure? Metro Exodus keeps crashing with any kind of overclock anyway so I have to disable it using Nvidia's Debug mode. Everything runs smoothly after that. This factory overclock seems like THE problem.🙂

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On 10/29/2020 at 9:48 PM, Vibes NoVibes said:

Should I reset my bios then?

No, that won't do anything. Well at least unless you have an unstable overclock on your CPU or something.

 

The vbios refers to the firmware that is flashed to your graphics card, it includes all of the voltage settings, fan curves, frequency and power targets, ect. Maxwell apparently had a vbios editor, Pascal and Turing do not. AMD stuff pretty much all have this which was huge for the crypto mining, ect. Here's kind of an idea of the kind of stuff you could change if this was possible, but there's a lot you could mess up potentially I guess so Nvidia decided we're not allowed to retune their cards even if we could handle just notching up the voltage a tick. Everyone mentions RMAs on old cards or something prompting this, seems silly to me to suggest so many people would seek out something that back then would have been done via Nvflash in DOS...

 

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Nvidia cards don't have any way to actually change power targets or voltages, you can sometimes flash a vbios from another card which has a custom vbios modified specifically for a non-reference card like a Strix/FTW card but that's it. You ask the driver very nicely to boost higher, set voltage between 0-100%(???) and turn the power limit up to 120%, anything beyond that is entirely up to the vbios/nvidia boost to figure the rest out and entirely lean on that your GPU is significantly better silicon than the card is configured for. I mean there's more to it than that, such as making sure you're not constantly throttling the crap out of the card hitting voltage/power/temp limits so you have stable clock speeds, ect. It still feels like a safe space for kids to me, if I want to double the power through my component, let me.

 

As far as flashing a vbios, unless you have a vbios switch on the card of which you have tested both to make sure they both boot on your computer and you make sure to properly back up your vbios before doing so. If it bricks which is likely, it might just be entirely unstable as well. You'll have to flip the switch to the other working vbios, boot into your computer, flip the switch while it's still on so the bricked vbios is selected then flash the original vbios over the bad one.

 

If you don't have a vbios switch, there are other options but since you're unstable out of the box I wouldn't even bother.

 

Also 6200mhz+ doesn't sound right at all for the memory, my 1080 barely does 5500mhz if I recall.

 

I'd start looking at the RX 6800 and RTX 3080 if you're trying to find more performance.

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11 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

No, that won't do anything. Well at least unless you have an unstable overclock on your CPU or something.

 

The vbios refers to the firmware that is flashed to your graphics card, it includes all of the voltage settings, fan curves, frequency and power targets, ect. Maxwell apparently had a vbios editor, Pascal and Turing do not. AMD stuff pretty much all have this which was huge for the crypto mining, ect. Here's kind of an idea of the kind of stuff you could change if this was possible, but there's a lot you could mess up potentially I guess so Nvidia decided we're not allowed to retune their cards even if we could handle just notching up the voltage a tick. Everyone mentions RMAs on old cards or something prompting this, seems silly to me to suggest so many people would seek out something that back then would have been done via Nvflash in DOS...

 

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Nvidia cards don't have any way to actually change power targets or voltages, you can sometimes flash a vbios from another card which has a custom vbios modified specifically for a non-reference card like a Strix/FTW card but that's it. You ask the driver very nicely to boost higher, set voltage between 0-100%(???) and turn the power limit up to 120%, anything beyond that is entirely up to the vbios/nvidia boost to figure the rest out and entirely lean on that your GPU is significantly better silicon than the card is configured for. I mean there's more to it than that, such as making sure you're not constantly throttling the crap out of the card hitting voltage/power/temp limits so you have stable clock speeds, ect. It still feels like a safe space for kids to me, if I want to double the power through my component, let me.

 

As far as flashing a vbios, unless you have a vbios switch on the card of which you have tested both to make sure they both boot on your computer and you make sure to properly back up your vbios before doing so. If it bricks which is likely, it might just be entirely unstable as well. You'll have to flip the switch to the other working vbios, boot into your computer, flip the switch while it's still on so the bricked vbios is selected then flash the original vbios over the bad one.

 

If you don't have a vbios switch, there are other options but since you're unstable out of the box I wouldn't even bother.

 

Also 6200mhz+ doesn't sound right at all for the memory, my 1080 barely does 5500mhz if I recall.

 

I'd start looking at the RX 6800 and RTX 3080 if you're trying to find more performance.

Grateful for such a detailed response!

 

I was just playing with the OC settings and may have discovered the sweet spot for my card. I am now able to get core clock: 1.99 Ghz and mem clock: 6220 Mhz and it is stable at all times - benchmarks and games. I have cross checked these values from NVIDIA in-game overlay as well. I am running all games at 1440p ULTRA settings with no issues. SOTTR consistently above 65 FPS.

 

Do you think it's still a decent card? Am I being too greedy asking for 2.1 Ghz-like numbers that some others are getting? I don't want to upgrade if it's going to lead to marginal improvements. Also I have heard some rumblings about Zotac 3080s users facing similar kind of issues and Zotac is replacing the cheap material that they're used to using for such expensive products.

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46 minutes ago, ageekhere said:

If you use OC Scanner what score does that achieve?

MSI afterburner?

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Hello,

 

Did you open the card and clean? If you do it make sure the memory is well cooled and the pads are ok.

 

If you have it on the vertical mount you can put a fan on the back of the card to get the hot air out.

 

 

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On 10/30/2020 at 4:41 AM, Vibes NoVibes said:

I am forced to underclock my card to play games

RMA 

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MSI afterburner?

Yes, MSI afterburner has OC Scanner

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1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

RMA 

The problem is I forgot to register the card in time to claim a 3 year extended warranty and Zotac is now denying amy repairs since it's been two years since purchase.

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On 10/30/2020 at 4:56 AM, VeganJoy said:

usually you try and get the highest core clock possible before messing with memory speeds, as core clocks are most important. have you validated your current overclock against stock clocks?

To me it's the other way around, more memory clock = more stable fps and better results in benchmarks compared to higher core clocks. 

 

Also I thought op wants to under and not overclock. 🤷🏼

 

 

4 minutes ago, Vibes NoVibes said:

The problem is I forgot to register the card in time to claim a 3 year extended warranty and Zotac is now denying amy repairs since it's been two years since purchase.

I see, well that blows... Yeah undervolting or underclocking are pretty much your only options then I guess.

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2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

To me it's the other way around, more memory clock = more stable fps and better results in benchmarks compared to higher core clocks. 

benchmarks and high res gaming (4k+) see the biggest benefits from memory overclocking, but core overclocking will net the best gainz overall. otherwise, nvidia wouldnt have spent so much time and money developing their gpu boosting algorithms to push clockspeeds to within a few percent of their limits right out of the box.

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GPU: Gigabyte 980ti Xtreme (also placeholder), deshroud w/ generic 1200rpm 120mm fans x2, stock bios 130% power, no voltage offset: +70 core +400 mem 

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