RTX 3080 **10GB VRAM ENOUGH?!**

[makadee]

3 minutes ago, ewitte said:

Yes 10GB is fine there is barely anything that pushes 8GB is what I said.  *need* vs allocation.

Also what do you think about games coming out in the next 6 months, the true next gen gaming. Do you think VRAM could be an issue at that time for someone who is playing on 1440p like me?

[Leisor]

Well if your Vram is overused, then the game will allocate Ram, which is much slower than Vram, and then you have unsharp textures and those kind of problems.

[Leisor]

1 minute ago, makadee said:

On my 1440p monitor i ran FS on high settings and was getting around 65FPS, sometimes it would dip to like 45FPS but even a RTX 3090 has this issue with this game... Am i right on that?

There is much more than only fps, if the vram is overused usually frametimes are spiking, the games doesnt feel smooth eventough the framerate is high. And it could lead to problems described by another user here (missing textures, pop ins...).

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Leisor said:

Horizon Zero Dawn for example are very thankfull for more Vram. I experienced frametime spikes in 1440P due to a shortage of vram. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/horizon-zero-dawn-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/4.html

 

So you have a card with less than 8GB memory?

 

6 minutes ago, Leisor said:

Flight Simulator

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/microsoft-flight-simulator-(2020)-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,4.html

 

Exactly, that's a simulator

[ewitte]

1 minute ago, Leisor said:

There is much more than only fps, if the vram is overused usually frametimes are spiking, the games doesnt feel smooth eventough the framerate is high. And it could lead to problems described by another user here (missing textures, pop ins...).

The only way to tell is to drop the texture resolution and rerun the benchmark.  If there is just a small difference your fine you will be seeing 10-20%+ if it is memory limited.

[makadee]

1 hour ago, ewitte said:

The only way to tell is to drop the texture resolution and rerun the benchmark.  If there is just a small difference your fine you will be seeing 10-20%+ if it is memory limited.

What does frametime spike mean?

[Leisor]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/horizon-zero-dawn-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/4.html

 

So you have a card with less than 8GB memory?

My GPU (RTX 2080 Super) has 8GB of Vram, and anything higher then medium texture settings (in 1440P at HZD) will use or allocate more and more vram the more you play. After a while you definitly feel stutter due to inconsistent frametimes.

We should all hope that Nvidia is going to fill the huge Vram gap between the 3080 (10 GB) and the 3090 (24 GB). 

The RTX 3070 has the same amount of Vram as a GTX 1070, although it has the same performance as a RTX 2080ti!

Right now I could definitly not recommend a RTX 3070 or a RTX 3080 due to their small Vram pool, it doesnt fit to the performance they deliver. AMD seems to have a big advantage this time.

[makadee]

21 minutes ago, Leisor said:

My GPU (RTX 2080 Super) has 8GB of Vram, and anything higher then medium texture settings (in 1440P at HZD) will use or allocate more and more vram the more you play. After a while you definitly feel stutter due to inconsistent frametimes.

We should all hope that Nvidia is going to fill the huge Vram gap between the 3080 (10 GB) and the 3090 (24 GB). 

The RTX 3070 has the same amount of Vram as a GTX 1070, although it has the same performance as a RTX 2080ti!

Right now I could definitly not recommend a RTX 3070 or a RTX 3080 due to their small Vram pool, it doesnt fit to the performance they deliver. AMD seems to have a big advantage this time.

What about DLSS 2.0?

 

And also I have been running my rtx 3080 in a few games and have not noticed these issues of stuttering etc. Sometimes it says 9.5gb is being used on the VRAM but i dont notice a single thing. The game runs very well at high fps, and im actually really picky with noticing issues during gaming.

 

This is why I am confused if this whole VRAM thing is an actual issue or something that isnt very important. I tried many games so far and have no noticed a single thing. Sometimes I even run games at 5K resolution since I have an ultra wide and everything runs extremely well!!

 

So I am a bit confused with whats going on here and so many people seem to have different opinions. I guess one thing that seems right is how much vram is allocated vs used. Maybe games dont need as much vram as we might think?? 

[makadee]

What is a game that uses a lot of vram? Let me know and I will put it to the test to see if i notice anything. I will post results here!

[xg32]

3 hours ago, makadee said:

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The 3080's gimped, wait for rx 6xxx if you don't have a gsync monitor, there are multiple games with settings i can crash on the 2080 ti with 11gb vram, but it's not many and the settings can be adjusted. 12gb is the desired amount.

[makadee]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

The 3080's gimped, wait for rx 6xxx if you don't have a gsync monitor, there are multiple games with settings i can crash on the 2080 ti with 11gb vram, but it's not many and the settings can be adjusted. 12gb is the desired amount.

The thing is that I have a very expensive g-sync monitor and I really dont want to get an AMD card..... But at the same time right now I dont feel so good about what I am hearing about the RTX 3080.....

 

I spent so much money on my setup, I sure hope that there is some false information about the VRAM issues. But then again will see soon!

 

Worst case I can resell my GPU and get a 3080ti if something like that is available in about 6 months or less!

 

[xg32]

1 minute ago, makadee said:

The thing is that I have a very expensive g-sync monitor and I really dont want to get an AMD card..... But at the same time right now I dont feel so good about what I am hearing about the RTX 3080.....

 

I spent so much money on my setup, I sure hope that there is some false information about the VRAM issues. But then again will see soon!

 

Worst case I can resell my GPU and get a 3080ti if something like that is available in about 6 months or less!

 

nvidia will need a 3080 ti to counter the 6900 xt, since the 3080 isnt really in stock to begin with, you have time for more research, i'm definitely not getting a 3080 10gb, i'd rather cap frame rates and go with a 6900 xt and forego rtx/dlss for 1 gen. (dlss looks blurry to me anyway compared to native)

[Jurrunio]

10 minutes ago, makadee said:

What is a game that uses a lot of vram? Let me know and I will put it to the test to see if i notice anything. I will post results here!

RDR2, that's a big VRAM user

 

11 minutes ago, makadee said:

What about DLSS 2.0?

DLSS essentially runs the game at lower res and then upscales it, so VRAM usage overall is reduced compared to running native res.

 

11 minutes ago, makadee said:

So I am a bit confused with whats going on here and so many people seem to have different opinions.

Neither are the builds similar, even if the hardware's the same the software side of things are different. It's one of those things that unless you put everyone in front of the same screen, no one can pursuade the other.

 

35 minutes ago, Leisor said:

We should all hope that Nvidia is going to fill the huge Vram gap between the 3080 (10 GB) and the 3090 (24 GB). 

The RTX 3070 has the same amount of Vram as a GTX 1070, although it has the same performance as a RTX 2080ti!

Then how could they solve it? Take the 3080 as an example, they could either open up more memory bus width and give us 12GB which I think is the most viable option but people like you may not be satisifed, go clam shell mode and give us 20GB (also with significant higher price since it's now much more capable for work), or cut down memory bus width a bit (also hurts bandwidth) and give us 16GB through clam shell mode. Neither option will satisfy everyone.

[BTGbullseye]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

RDR2, that's a big VRAM user

I run it at maximum settings at 1080p, and it doesn't even allocate all of my VRAM. (system in signature)

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

I run it at maximum settings at 1080p, and it doesn't even allocate all of my VRAM. (system in signature)

1080p with 8GB card, I wholeheartedly hope it doesn't

[BTGbullseye]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1080p with 8GB card, I wholeheartedly hope it doesn't

Sits around 6GB allocated. RDR2 is not a VRAM intensive game. Ghost Recon Breakpoint uses way more. (I can't run at max settings because it uses more than 8GB)

[Jurrunio]

Just now, BTGbullseye said:

Sits around 6GB allocated. RDR2 is not a VRAM intensive game. Ghost Recon Breakpoint uses way more. (I can't run at max settings because it uses more than 8GB)

Oh yeah there's that one

[i_build_nanosuits]

Between 1440p and VR i've seen multiple times my VRAM usage being over 10GB on my 1080ti and going forward 10GB on a card as powerful as the RTX 3080 is certainly a concern for me personally.

 

Nvidia knew AMD had an ace down the sleeve...that's the way they found to cut on cost without cutting on profit margin.

[makadee]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

RDR2, that's a big VRAM user

 

I can run that game without a single issue on all ultra setting 3440x1440p usually around 80-100FPS sometimes drops to 70 maybe, but not stuttering or texture issues or any other issues. So does this mean the VRAM is ok?

[makadee]

2 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Sits around 6GB allocated. RDR2 is not a VRAM intensive game. Ghost Recon Breakpoint uses way more. (I can't run at max settings because it uses more than 8GB)

What about the new watchdogs?

[makadee]

2 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

Between 1440p and VR i've seen multiple times my VRAM usage being over 10GB on my 1080ti and going forward 10GB on a card as powerful as the RTX 3080 is certainly a concern for me personally.

 

Nvidia knew AMD had an ace down the sleeve...that's the way they found to cut on cost without cutting on profit margin.

But there is really nothing that shows 10GB is not enough yet!! Not one video showing that due to VRAM the game is not running properly and is limited etc. Thats the part im confused. Because how much VRAM is allocated i learned today has a big difference between how much vram is actually being used.

 

So far I have no issues, I can try Ghost Recon Breakpoint and let you guys know if I notice issues with stuttering. 

 

I feel like if the VRAM was such a big deal, how come big youtubers are not talking about it?

[Mark Kaine]

6 hours ago, Jarsky said:

Keep in mind VRAM is just the highest level of memory for your GPU. Textures and such will still live in memory and Virtual memory (pagefile) if needed. You'll never "run out" of video memory. 

Thats pretty bad game design - imo - I play a lot of Monster Hunter World which is basically almost like open world (huge areas) and you never get any loadings or pauses between different regions of these areas or when monsters appear etc. It's all loaded in Vram before you start. 

 

I absolutely love it and I would do exactly the same if I were to make a game. 

 

However, yes, the downside is if you go over the amount of ram your gpu has you will experience massive issues (most likely even crash) 

 

There's a dynamic setting which I'm not sure what it does exactly, but I'm using that and I'm still running into issues when I go over the max vram usage. (I guess there's still stuff in the background that uses system RAM, maybe AI logic etc) but the fact is the level will be loaded fully into Vram from the get go (which is usually around 4-6 GB, depending on your settings it can be a lot more of course) 

[Jarsky]

9 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Thats pretty bad game design - imo - I play a lot of Monster Hunter World which is basically almost like open world (huge areas) and you never get any loadings or pauses between different regions of these areas or when monsters appear etc. It's all loaded in Vram before you start. 

 

I absolutely love it and I would do exactly the same if I were to make a game. 

 

However, yes, the downside is if you go over the amount of ram your gpu has you will experience massive issues (most likely even crash) 

 

There's a dynamic setting which I'm not sure what it does exactly, but I'm using that and I'm still running into issues when I go over the max vram usage. (I guess there's still stuff in the background that uses system RAM, maybe AI logic etc) but the fact is the level will be loaded fully into Vram from the get go (which is usually around 4-6 GB, depending on your settings it can be a lot more of course) 

 

It's a bit trickier than that when we're talking the new cards. Have to remember that the RTX3000 series has direct storage capability now, so can directly load textures over the PCIe bus from your drive without it having to go via the CPU & Memory first. So if your game files are on a PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive your card can effectively load texture data at up to 5GB/s, so it can easily swap in textures and discard unnecessary textures on the fly considerably easier. It's going to be interesting to see how direct storage with the new generation cards affects the need for huge VRAM. 

 

Also most game design is fairly intelligent when it comes to memory management in massive AAA title games. Typically they will buffer lower quality textures in memory which it can use temporarily while larger higher res textures load. It doesn't look as pretty but generally mitigate stuttering and engine crashes. 

[Hickaru]

5 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

RDR2, that's a big VRAM user

 

DLSS essentially runs the game at lower res and then upscales it, so VRAM usage overall is reduced compared to running native res.

 

Neither are the builds similar, even if the hardware's the same the software side of things are different. It's one of those things that unless you put everyone in front of the same screen, no one can pursuade the other.

 

Then how could they solve it? Take the 3080 as an example, they could either open up more memory bus width and give us 12GB which I think is the most viable option but people like you may not be satisifed, go clam shell mode and give us 20GB (also with significant higher price since it's now much more capable for work), or cut down memory bus width a bit (also hurts bandwidth) and give us 16GB through clam shell mode. Neither option will satisfy everyone.

3080ti has been rumoured to launch with 12gb g6x.

What do you reckon it could cost? I know this won't happen but I'm hoping for something below $849, any higher, ill go amd because I don't like the idea of having only 10gb vram going forward into next gen which will use unreal engine 5 o.o

I'm just hoping amd releases their own dlss before march 2021 as I'll be building a pc before then.

[Jurrunio]

Just now, Hickaru said:

3080ti has been rumoured to launch with 12gb g6x.

Rumors are unreliable, they already changed once giving up the 20gb card idea for example.

 

1 minute ago, Hickaru said:

What do you reckon it could cost? I know this won't happen but I'm hoping for something below $849, any higher, ill go amd because I don't like the idea of having only 10gb vram going forward into next gen which will use unreal engine 5 o.o

If it's a 12gb model maybe with more SMs enabled, I expect MSRP to be around $700 to $750 (wont be too high in order to compete with 6800XT)

If it's a 20gb model, maybe $900-$1000 because 6900XT is $1000.