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Are premium AIB cards actually worth it?

Marasmic
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I noticed that EVGA has 4 separate SKUs for the 3070, all 4 using the same cooler. My question is that outside of binning is there any real difference between them? I bought a 2060 XC Ultra at launch and looking at reviews, it seems like FE cards will boost just as high as mine does. Do all modern graphics cards just boost as high as possible, until they hit a thermal or power limit?

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3 minutes ago, Marasmic said:

I noticed that EVGA has 4 separate SKUs for the 3070, all 4 using the same cooler. My question is that outside of binning is there any real difference between them? I bought a 2060 XC Ultra at launch and looking at reviews, it seems like FE cards will boost just as high as mine does. Do all modern graphics cards just boost as high as possible, until they hit a thermal or power limit?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#m=14&c=494&sort=-boost&page=1

 

There are five & the differences are not just cosmetic.

I frequently edit any posts you may quote; please check for anything I 'may' have added.

 

Did you test boot it, before you built in into the case?

WHY NOT...?!

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All the different AiB cards offer different coolers, boards, features, etc. You just have to decide for yourself if the better cooler or features are worth it to you.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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Nvidia ruined overclocking for the most part with GPUboost 3.0 and binning their FE cards. That doesn't mean all cards are like this though. Some cards like the K|ngP|n edition bypass this and allow you to go balls to the ball with LN2 

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15 minutes ago, Eighjan said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#m=14&c=494&sort=-boost&page=1

 

There are five & the differences are not just cosmetic.

There's 4 and they all use the same ICX3 cooler. https://www.evga.com/products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+30+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+3070

 

My question is will all of the cards boost to the same point assuming they don't hit a thermal or power limit?

 

edit: The FTW uses a beefier cooler.

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Nvidia ruined overclocking for the most part with GPUboost 3.0

That's false,i did a huge overclock on my GTX 1660 with an offset,the clock speed in my signature is the minimum speed i get and that one is out-dated since i overclocked my card further.

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For the question in the title, only up to a certain point. You gain less and less as the cooling solution goes from terrible to excellent

 

27 minutes ago, Marasmic said:

Do all modern graphics cards just boost as high as possible, until they hit a thermal or power limit?

There's also extra headroom to account for degradation and GPU to GPU variance

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15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For the question in the title, only up to a certain point. You gain less and less as the cooling solution goes from terrible to excellent

 

There's also extra headroom to account for degradation and GPU to GPU variance

That's basically what I was figuring. Outside of VRMs and coolers, the cards all behave the same. I'll probably just get one of the 2.2 slot cards. I don't think the FTW is worth another $100+.

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50 minutes ago, Vishera said:

That's false,i did a huge overclock on my GTX 1660 with an offset,the clock speed in my signature is the minimum speed i get and that one is out-dated since i overclocked my card further.

You can't change the voltage even with a BIOS flash on most cards. 2040mhz isn't that huge either. 2200Mhz is in the impressive range for air cooling. 

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15 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

2040mhz isn't that huge either. 2200Mhz is in the impressive range for air cooling. 

I said that what is in my signature is outdated,it's now at 2070MHz minimum,2085MHz average and 2100MHz max.

Also the most significant part is the memory overclock i have done,since my GPU is heavily bottlenecked by the memory i overclocked it from 4000MHz to 5000MHz.

1 GHz overclock to the memory.

 

I benchmarked the memory bandwidth and GFLOPS:

Memory bandwidth: 12.2gbps (write) 12.4gbps (read)

Single precision: 5840 GFLOPS

Double precision: 181.7 GFLOPS

 

My GPU's performance is between the GTX 1660 Ti and the RTX 2060,in both the theoretical and the real world.

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11 minutes ago, Vishera said:

I said that what is in my signature is outdated,it's now at 2070MHz minimum,2085MHz average and 2100MHz max.

Also the most significant part is the memory overclock i have done,since my GPU is heavily bottlenecked by the memory i overclocked it from 4000MHz to 5000MHz.

1 GHz overclock to the memory.

 

I benchmarked the memory bandwidth and GFLOPS:

Memory bandwidth: 12.2gbps (write) 12.4gbps (read)

Single precision: 5840 GFLOPS

Double precision: 181.7 GFLOPS

 

My GPU's performance is between the GTX 1660 Ti and the RTX 2060,in both the theoretical and the real world.

Check to see what the limiting factor is in GPU-Z. I'm not sure what you're trying to get across with these numbers. They aren't anything to write home about

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5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Check to see what the limiting factor is in GPU-Z.

I already know,it's the voltage.

I need to mod the card to overclock it further,i have an overkill cooler so temps are always below 70C.

7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to get across with these numbers. They aren't anything to write home about

For a 1660 it's a huge improvement,my 1660 holds a few impressive overclocking records ranging from first place to 3rd place.

My worst result id 3rd place.

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I have a low tolerance for fan RPM so I'm always AIB.  Usually Strix but they overpriced it comparatively speaking for the 3000 series so I ended up with a FTW3.

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30 minutes ago, Vishera said:

I already know,it's the voltage.

I need to mod the card to overclock it further,i have an overkill cooler so temps are always below 70C.

For a 1660 it's a huge improvement,my 1660 holds a few impressive overclocking records ranging from first place to 3rd place.

My worst result id 3rd place.

You have to shunt mod the card and even then not all cards allow this. First place in what, the world?

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

You have to shunt mod the card and even then not all cards allow this.

This approach is problematic,the card won't report correctly values and that can be dangerous for the card if you are not careful - I want that protection.

5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

First place in what, the world?

Among the GTX 1660 cards of course!

I love competing with people on HWbot.

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2 hours ago, Vishera said:

This approach is problematic,the card won't report correctly values and that can be dangerous for the card if you are not careful - I want that protection.

Among the GTX 1660 cards of course!

I love competing with people on HWbot.

Yeah that's were you need something like EV bot 

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11 hours ago, Marasmic said:

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It's only worth it for the 3090 imho to squeeze out the last bit of performance. Anything over 500 you pay for a 3070 pushes you closer to 700usd for a 3080.

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The general rule of thumb is that especially in the low and mid range, premium models are NOT worth.  Usually the premium price will approach the next level card.  Ex: Strix 3070 for 630$...70 bucks more for a 3080 FE which is a significant performance jump.  Analogous situations occur for most of the lower level stuff (previous gen 1650/1660/1660ti/2060 etc).  Its usually just better to jump up a tier if you are going to spend a huge chunk more as the money gets you more there.

 

Where it starts to pay off is at the top tier.  I would say 3080/90 is where I would pay premium.  The bigger coolers and potentially better power delivery make it more likely you can push those beasty cards to a higher level.  And at that price point the premium model isnt pushing into the next tier.  Premium 3080 is a great example, its 150 more, so 850, but the next tier isnt until 1500, so that extra performance squeezed out is probably worth the price increase.

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