ryzen 7 Need Suggestion about aquiring CPU & Motherboard

[Mahmudul Hasan]

Hi, My existing processor, motherboard and GPU are AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, Gigabyte X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI and Nvidia GTX 970 respectively. My PSU is Thermaltake SMART RGB 500W. Recently I bought a G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3200 C16 1x16GB XMP enabled OC RAM for better experience in gaming. The issue is when I enable XMP profile 1 on my BIOS and boot to the windows and launch Mafia Definitive Edition, it suddenly crashes and sometimes it ends up causing a BSOD error. 

 

But if I don't enable the XMP profile on BIOS, my newly aquired RAM runs only at a lower speed as 2133Mhz. And the PC runs smoothly and the game Mafia Definitive Edition runs normally without having any issues. It now feels like I paid for a 3200Mhz RAM but getting only 2133Mhz frequency. I searced over Google and many other tech sites which gave me a clue that AMD Ryzen 7 2700X processor don't work well with XMP RAM profiles, and so it only works well with XMP profile disabled.

 

Due to the above fact, I am willing to change my existing processor and motherboard setup. I am willing to get a "MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX AM4 AMD ATX Motherboard" and "AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Processor" in combination. Would this new combination work well with my G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3200 C16 1x16GB XMP enabled OC RAM and support flawlessly with the XMP profile enabled so that I can get the full 3200Mhz frequency out of my RAM without getting crashes and BSODs?

 

For your information, I am a multitasker as well as a non-professional casual PC gamer.

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for you time and help.

 

Regards,

Saimon

 

 

[Bombastinator]

34 minutes ago, Mahmudul Hasan said:

Hi, My existing processor, motherboard and GPU are AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, Gigabyte X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI and Nvidia GTX 970 respectively. My PSU is Thermaltake SMART RGB 500W. Recently I bought a G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3200 C16 1x16GB XMP enabled OC RAM for better experience in gaming. The issue is when I enable XMP profile 1 on my BIOS and boot to the windows and launch Mafia Definitive Edition, it suddenly crashes and sometimes it ends up causing a BSOD error. 

 

But if I don't enable the XMP profile on BIOS, my newly aquired RAM runs only at a lower speed as 2133Mhz. And the PC runs smoothly and the game Mafia Definitive Edition runs normally without having any issues. It now feels like I paid for a 3200Mhz RAM but getting only 2133Mhz frequency. I searced over Google and many other tech sites which gave me a clue that AMD Ryzen 7 2700X processor don't work well with XMP RAM profiles, and so it only works well with XMP profile disabled.

 

Due to the above fact, I am willing to change my existing processor and motherboard setup. I am willing to get a "MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX AM4 AMD ATX Motherboard" and "AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Processor" in combination. Would this new combination work well with my G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3200 C16 1x16GB XMP enabled OC RAM and support flawlessly with the XMP profile enabled so that I can get the full 3200Mhz frequency out of my RAM without getting crashes and BSODs?

 

For your information, I am a multitasker as well as a non-professional casual PC gamer.

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for you time and help.

 

Regards,

Saimon

 

 

My perhaps flawed understanding (if I’m wrong someone will mention it I hope) is that  The b450 will require the exact same thing.    The generic base speed of ALL DDR4 is 2133.  You could get an x570 and have exactly the same issue.  Or a z490 and an intel cpu for that matter.  You could set the thing manually instead of using xmp, but it’s more trouble.  You could have a bad hardware problem I suppose. I don’t know if it’s the memory or the motherboard or what.  It might be that the memory sticks you have has an issue when it runs at its native speed, or that the motherboard you have has issues.  I’m not a person knowledgeable about ddr4.  They exist here though.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Bombastinator

[Mahmudul Hasan]

Ohh. I heared Ryzen 7 1st and 2nd gen CPUs are the ones which don't work well with XMP type RAMs and 3rd gen is much more stable with XMP. I thought the motherboard supports up to 4000Mhz RAM frequency. You mean if I switch to B450 and Ryzen 5 3600 from my existing build, the same XMP issue would exist?

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Mahmudul Hasan said:

Ohh. I heared Ryzen 7 1st and 2nd gen CPUs are the ones which don't work well with XMP type RAMs and 3rd gen is much more stable with XMP. I thought the motherboard supports up to 4000Mhz RAM frequency. You mean if I switch to B450 and Ryzen 5 3600 from my existing build, the same XMP issue would exist?

The way I heard it is they tend to be very picky about ram.  To the point that the QVL list actually became important for getting ram for zen1.  My understanding is it was less of an issue for zen+ and even less for zen2.  The QVL list is a motherboard thing though. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Bombastinator

[Mahmudul Hasan]

I see. Let's see what others's think. 

[-rascal-]

26 minutes ago, Mahmudul Hasan said:

Ohh. I heared Ryzen 7 1st and 2nd gen CPUs are the ones which don't work well with XMP type RAMs and 3rd gen is much more stable with XMP. I thought the motherboard supports up to 4000Mhz RAM frequency. You mean if I switch to B450 and Ryzen 5 3600 from my existing build, the same XMP issue would exist?

 

The MOTHERBOARD can support DDR4-4000+, if the motherboard manufacturer over-builds it.

The end of the day, it can be a 6+ layer motherboard, and best-in-class motherboard topology....

But if the CPU's Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) can' handle that frequency, there is nothing you can do.

 

Correct, the IMC in 1000-series and 2000-series Ryzen is not very robust, and cannot handle high frequency RAM.

I think with Ryzen 1000-series, the "common" was DDR4-2400 and DDR4-2666?

Ryzen 2000-series, up to DDR4-2933 or DDR4-3000 (or just below e.g. DDR4-2800) was basically the limit -- DDR4-3000+ only if you got lucky.

Ryzen 3000-series, people are able to do up to DDR4-3400 ~ DDR4-3600, and up to DDR4-3800 ish if lucky.

DDR4-3600 ~ DDR4-3800 max'ed out the Infinity Fabric frequency 1:1 with DRAM.

 

You can swap it in a Ryzen 3000-series CPU (e.g. 3600), update the BIOS to the latest version, and DDR4-3200 should be achievable with XMP.

If you are GOING to swap the CPU and motherboard, might as well get a B550 board.

Then you HAVE the option of going with a Ryzen 3000-series AND Ryzen 5000-series.

Only SOME B450 / X470 boards will support Ryzen 5000-series, at the board manufacturer's discretion (e.g. board manufacturer's choice, not mandated by AMD).

[Mahmudul Hasan]

59 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

The MOTHERBOARD can support DDR4-4000+, if the motherboard manufacturer over-builds it.

The end of the day, it can be a 6+ layer motherboard, and best-in-class motherboard topology....

But if the CPU's Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) can' handle that frequency, there is nothing you can do.

 

Correct, the IMC in 1000-series and 2000-series Ryzen is not very robust, and cannot handle high frequency RAM.

I think with Ryzen 1000-series, the "common" was DDR4-2400 and DDR4-2666?

Ryzen 2000-series, up to DDR4-2933 or DDR4-3000 (or just below e.g. DDR4-2800) was basically the limit -- DDR4-3000+ only if you got lucky.

Ryzen 3000-series, people are able to do up to DDR4-3400 ~ DDR4-3600, and up to DDR4-3800 ish if lucky.

DDR4-3600 ~ DDR4-3800 max'ed out the Infinity Fabric frequency 1:1 with DRAM.

 

You can swap it in a Ryzen 3000-series CPU (e.g. 3600), update the BIOS to the latest version, and DDR4-3200 should be achievable with XMP.

If you are GOING to swap the CPU and motherboard, might as well get a B550 board.

Then you HAVE the option of going with a Ryzen 3000-series AND Ryzen 5000-series.

Only SOME B450 / X470 boards will support Ryzen 5000-series, at the board manufacturer's discretion (e.g. board manufacturer's choice, not mandated by AMD).

Okay. If I wish to swap the processor and mainboard, would it not be a good combination of B450 board and Ryzen 5 3600 to run the RAM in 3200 XMP mode smoothly without having any issues?

[-rascal-]

15 minutes ago, Mahmudul Hasan said:

Okay. If I wish to swap the processor and mainboard, would it not be a good combination of B450 board and Ryzen 5 3600 to run the RAM in 3200 XMP mode smoothly without having any issues?

 

B450 + Ryzen 3600 should be fine.

Depending on the board you get, you MIGHT not be able to do a drop-in CPU upgrade if the board manufacturer does not want to make a BIOS for Ryzen 5000.

That is, if you don't want to upgrade to Ryzen 5000-series, that's fine...but why would you cut yourself off...never know 2 ~3 years down the line.

MSi was touting their B450 Max boards will have Ryzen 5000-series support, though...

 

 

[Mahmudul Hasan]

2 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

B450 + Ryzen 3600 should be fine.

Depending on the board you get, you MIGHT not be able to do a drop-in CPU upgrade if the motherboard manufacturer does not want to make a BIOS for Ryzen 5000.

That is, if you don't want to upgrade to Ryzen 5000-series, that's fine...but why would you cut yourself off...never know 2 ~3 years down the line.

MSi was touting their B450 Max boards will have Ryzen 5000-series support, though...

 

 

Actually I am a casual gamer playing games at a FHD resoluton of 1080p and playing at 60-75 Hertz. Nowadays, manufacturers operating a very fast moving product manufacturing techniques resulting a very short product lifetime. But that is the case for the people who try to go with the manufacturers head to head for new features I mean following the trends. But for the casual users/gamers the product lifetime is still enough to use a product for a few years if there is no hardware problems. As the 5000 series is new, it may take a few years to be useless for 3000 series for casual gamers. What do you think?

[-rascal-]

10 hours ago, Mahmudul Hasan said:

Actually I am a casual gamer playing games at a FHD resoluton of 1080p and playing at 60-75 Hertz. Nowadays, manufacturers operating a very fast moving product manufacturing techniques resulting a very short product lifetime. But that is the case for the people who try to go with the manufacturers head to head for new features I mean following the trends. But for the casual users/gamers the product lifetime is still enough to use a product for a few years if there is no hardware problems. As the 5000 series is new, it may take a few years to be useless for 3000 series for casual gamers. What do you think?

 

Oh yeah, there is no need to follow the manufacturers' timelime, and upgrade every 6 months ~ 1 year.

People will hold onto their....Ryzen 3000-series probably right into socket AM5 / 2022+.

 

I'm saying that, if the Ryzen 3600 eventually doesn't meet your performance expectation for newer games, you have the option to swap it for ... a Ryzen 5600 or 5800x, etc.

Let that be a new Ryzen 5000-series CPU, or buying used.

 

I sat on my FX-8350 up until ~2016.

That CPU released in 2012.

The AMD FX-series aged REALLY poorly...and bottlenecking my graphics card(s) heavily...so I had to make the switch.