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Hey guys,

 

I was curious what do people think about getting the 3070 vs the 6800? Especially for someone who games at 1080p. Do you think it’s worth it to make the upgrade from a 1080 to a 3070 or a 6800? I really like the 16 gbs of VRAM that come with the 6800 for about 80 dollars more, especially when compared to the 8gbs of the 3070. My only issue is I feel like if I don’t try for the 3070 on launch, ima gonna regret it if I can’t get a 6800 on launch as well. I feel like the demand for these new AMD gpus is going to be crazy. 
 

Sorry about the longer post, first time posting on this forum, but I love everything Linus! I would love to hear what you guys think l

 

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6 minutes ago, Curious Gamer said:

My only issue is I feel like if I don’t try for the 3070 on launch, ima gonna regret it if I can’t get a 6800 on launch as well.

If you're going to be sensible this time, then the first thing not to do is buy anything at launch. Let early adopters take the blow on early bugs and instability. Also seems like big navi will only be available with reference cooler at launch, and AMD never managed to impress with that.

 

As for 3070 versus 6800, honestly 6800 managed to slip itself between the 3080 and 3070 in both expected performance and price so it's not really fair to compare the 6800 to either card. It may or may not be a good choice, need 3rd party reviews (which will come before launch) to tell.

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21 minutes ago, Curious Gamer said:

Hey guys,

 

I was curious what do people think about getting the 3070 vs the 6800? Especially for someone who games at 1080p. Do you think it’s worth it to make the upgrade from a 1080 to a 3070 or a 6800? I really like the 16 gbs of VRAM that come with the 6800 for about 80 dollars more, especially when compared to the 8gbs of the 3070. My only issue is I feel like if I don’t try for the 3070 on launch, ima gonna regret it if I can’t get a 6800 on launch as well. I feel like the demand for these new AMD gpus is going to be crazy. 
 

Sorry about the longer post, first time posting on this forum, but I love everything Linus! I would love to hear what you guys think l

 

Realistically, with a GTX 1080 and at 1080p, you dont really need to upgrade as your performance is still more than good enough. Additionally, there are only 1 or 2 games that use more than 8 gigabytes of VRAM at 4k, at 1080p there are practically none. So unless you also intend to upgrade your display to a higher resolution, what you should be focusing on is what the cards offer other than raw performance, because as previously stated, at 1080p these cards are never going to be fully utilized. 

If you ask me, it depends on how long you intend to keep the card and whether or not you want to upgrade your monitor. the 3070 is probably a percent or so slower than the 6800 and has less VRAM, but has DLSS and likely significantly better raytracing. If AMD had a proper DLSS competitor, they would have discussed it in great detail. 

If you don't intend on upgrading your monitor soon and only want to keep the card for a generation or two, I would get the 3070. The extra VRAM won't help you and im sure youll appreciate some of the Nvidia exclusive features such as their low latency mode, rtx voice, etc..

 

If you want to keep the card for several years and intend on upgrading your monitor, I'd buy the 6800 for the extra VRAM. 

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1080p what? 60hz? 144hz? 240hz?

You don't need lots of VRAM if you're sticking with 1080p. So it's not really worth the extra cost. in that regard.

IMO, the 1080  you have now is more than enough for what you're using it for, unless you're stepping up to higher resolutions.
Do you stream at all? If so, I'd probably go Nvidia. Their Broadcast suite is pretty impressive.

 

Above all, wait for actual reviews, not what AMD has spit out themselves.

 

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3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

If you're going to be sensible this time, then the first thing not to do is buy anything at launch. Let early adopters take the blow on early bugs and instability. Also seems like big navi will only be available with reference cooler at launch, and AMD never managed to impress with that.

 

As for 3070 versus 6800, honestly 6800 managed to slip itself between the 3080 and 3070 in both expected performance and price so it's not really fair to compare the 6800 to either card. It may or may not be a good choice, need 3rd party reviews (which will come before launch) to tell.

I think this makes sense, it’s just with the shortage, I feel like I’m missing out on an opportunity to grab either of these cards, since we don’t even know when they will be readily available again (NVIDIA)

 

also, thank you for taking the time I appreciate it!

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3 hours ago, Nickathom said:

Realistically, with a GTX 1080 and at 1080p, you dont really need to upgrade as your performance is still more than good enough. Additionally, there are only 1 or 2 games that use more than 8 gigabytes of VRAM at 4k, at 1080p there are practically none. So unless you also intend to upgrade your display to a higher resolution, what you should be focusing on is what the cards offer other than raw performance, because as previously stated, at 1080p these cards are never going to be fully utilized. 

If you ask me, it depends on how long you intend to keep the card and whether or not you want to upgrade your monitor. the 3070 is probably a percent or so slower than the 6800 and has less VRAM, but has DLSS and likely significantly better raytracing. If AMD had a proper DLSS competitor, they would have discussed it in great detail. 

If you don't intend on upgrading your monitor soon and only want to keep the card for a generation or two, I would get the 3070. The extra VRAM won't help you and im sure youll appreciate some of the Nvidia exclusive features such as their low latency mode, rtx voice, etc..

 

If you want to keep the card for several years and intend on upgrading your monitor, I'd buy the 6800 for the extra VRAM. 

Realistically I plan on upgrading my monitor, I’m currently 1080p with 144hz, I thought about going with a 1440p 144hz. I really like my 1080, but it’s more about wanting to keep up and not having to worry about upgrading later down the line, especially since I know that right now I’m financially able to afford either. 
 

I think I really liked your points about Nvidas ray tracing and DLSS. They are features that I really want to try out once I get a better monitor. 
 

thank you for responding man! I appreciate it

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3 hours ago, dizmo said:

1080p what? 60hz? 144hz? 240hz?

You don't need lots of VRAM if you're sticking with 1080p. So it's not really worth the extra cost. in that regard.

IMO, the 1080  you have now is more than enough for what you're using it for, unless you're stepping up to higher resolutions.
Do you stream at all? If so, I'd probably go Nvidia. Their Broadcast suite is pretty impressive.

 

Above all, wait for actual reviews, not what AMD has spit out themselves.

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

I currently have a 144hz 1080p. I do plan on upgrading my monitor. I have never streamed, I thought about dabbling with in the future. I honestly like my 1080, but as I stated to a diff reply, I’m currently in a position where I can afford an upgrade and I don’t want to feel like I missed out on something good. But it’s hard to tell without 3rd party reviews of the 6800. 
 

thank you for replying and welcoming me to the forums!

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1 hour ago, Curious Gamer said:

I currently have a 144hz 1080p. I do plan on upgrading my monitor. I have never streamed, I thought about dabbling with in the future. I honestly like my 1080, but as I stated to a diff reply, I’m currently in a position where I can afford an upgrade and I don’t want to feel like I missed out on something good. But it’s hard to tell without 3rd party reviews of the 6800. 
 

thank you for replying and welcoming me to the forums!

You can't really "miss out" on it. It's not like it's a limited item that's going to run out; you'll always be able to buy one.

If you plan to upgrade your monitor, consider it once you've actually upgraded. It's not really worth getting right now.

 

Personally, unless they're just not ready with support for it yet, the fact that they didn't show any ray tracing performance numbers is a huge red flag. While it may not be in every game right now, it will be in many coming up. So it's either:

  1. They have horrible ray tracing performance, and didn't want to show it
    Or
  2. They haven't finished the drivers for it to show it off...showing that they're not really ready to launch the card and drivers are still a problem

Neither one of those are good.

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Wait for benchmarks, none of this matters otherwise.

 

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4 hours ago, dizmo said:

You can't really "miss out" on it. It's not like it's a limited item that's going to run out; you'll always be able to buy one.

Tell that to the people that had to wait a month to buy any raytracing capable GPU because both generations of RTX cards were out of stock.

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10 hours ago, Curious Gamer said:

Hey guys,

 

I was curious what do people think about getting the 3070 vs the 6800? Especially for someone who games at 1080p. Do you think it’s worth it to make the upgrade from a 1080 to a 3070 or a 6800? I really like the 16 gbs of VRAM that come with the 6800 for about 80 dollars more, especially when compared to the 8gbs of the 3070. My only issue is I feel like if I don’t try for the 3070 on launch, ima gonna regret it if I can’t get a 6800 on launch as well. I feel like the demand for these new AMD gpus is going to be crazy. 
 

Sorry about the longer post, first time posting on this forum, but I love everything Linus! I would love to hear what you guys think l

 

For 1080p Gaming AMD 6800  should be more than enough.

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3 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Tell that to the people that had to wait a month to buy any raytracing capable GPU because both generations of RTX cards were out of stock.

Ha. Ha. Ha. A whole month!! Oh noes! 

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3 hours ago, Dream Machines Official said:

For 1080p Gaming AMD 6800  should be more than enough.

2070 and 2070S are supposed good GPUs for 1440p. Now people need 6800 for 1080p. :)

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9 hours ago, Deli said:

2070 and 2070S are supposed good GPUs for 1440p. Now people need 6800 for 1080p. :)

That's how it works... When new comes out, everything old becomes obsolete.

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Well for 1080p i would recommend an rx 5700xt  you can see them already around 320€ on black friday probably Will be less...

Its a great gpu i have the sapphire One and never had an issue and push frames more than enough for 1080p.

But if you already have One rtx 2060 ,gtx 1660 or rx 580 or whatever i would Stay like that if doesnt break you and buy the GPU when the price comes down allways does.

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On 10/29/2020 at 1:15 AM, dizmo said:

You can't really "miss out" on it. It's not like it's a limited item that's going to run out; you'll always be able to buy one.

If you plan to upgrade your monitor, consider it once you've actually upgraded. It's not really worth getting right now.

 

Personally, unless they're just not ready with support for it yet, the fact that they didn't show any ray tracing performance numbers is a huge red flag. While it may not be in every game right now, it will be in many coming up. So it's either:

  1. They have horrible ray tracing performance, and didn't want to show it
    Or
  2. They haven't finished the drivers for it to show it off...showing that they're not really ready to launch the card and drivers are still a problem

Neither one of those are good.

From what's coming out RTX has a number of proprietary extensions to the Dx12 ray tracing libraries, that are simply never going to be supported on a non-nVidia GPU. From what they told Gamer's Nexus, there are about five or so games that are launch compatible, without issues, on the 6000 series cards. 

 

From current leaks, the 6800 XT card is a bit better than the 3070 and 2080 Ti at RT raytracing, but measurably worse than the 3080 at raytracing. But again, RTX is proprietary, so any work on RTX specific ray tracing modes won't be supported on AMD cards. 

 

My guess is we're about another generation before ray-tracing is a major thing in games. NVidia broke the ice, but by doing it with a proprietary interface, they've just created a huge tangle for anyone wanting to implement it, especially with AMD being able to snag the console work in the process. I suspect nVidia was trying to make RTX the Glide3D of the ray tracing era, but didn't quite manage to get the necessary market share. 

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