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Where Gaming Begins - AMD RX6000 series Live Event

The price and performance of the 6800XT and 3080 are close enough it seems that I'd be happy with either so it comes down to who can get stock in first.

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I've just re-watched part of the launch and noticed that Scott Herkelman said at around 15:35 in the video "[AMD] are already working on a super resolution feature to give gamers an option for more performance when using ray tracing." That sure sounds like a DLSS counterpart to me.

 

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2 hours ago, pythonmegapixel said:

Nice... but I wonder if the drivers will still be buggy as hell?

You do know Nvidia lists at least 10 bugs per driver launch themselves, right?   People just blame AMD because it's the norm.

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7 minutes ago, Snadzies said:

The price and performance of the 6800XT and 3080 are close enough it seems that I'd be happy with either so it comes down to who can get stock in first.

Personally going with a Red Devil or whatever top Sapphire there is 6900 XT.

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58 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

I agree, the real mistake would have been to price it higher than nvidia...

 

At least these cards aren't as ridiculously priced than 20xx, plus nvidia is probably going to be forced lowering prices / or push out "revisions" without cheaping out on vram (hopefully for everyone involved) 

 

 

I agree it would've been a mistake for AMD to price their cards higher, although they could have with the 6800XT having 16GB, either GDDR6 is significantly cheaper, or TSMC 7nm has much better yields so AMD can keep the price lower.

Although I am expecting Nvidia to rush out a 3070Ti, or a 3080Ti with more cuda cores and 12gb vram.

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I'm glad that our teacher want paying attention to what we were doing in class, or I would've missed this masterpiece of a announcement. Ill probably be waiting for the 6700xt though.

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I hope you can flash a 6800 to a 6800xt like you can do with a 5700 right now. Otherwise it's not that much of a bargain - 18% faster than a 2080 ti means 18% faster than a 3070, but it's also 18% more expensive ($580 vs $500). 

 

I had hoped the 6800xt would undercut the 3080 by more than $50, but I'm happy if the 6900 is as fast as the 3090 for $500 cheaper, that's huge.

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1 hour ago, Snadzies said:

The price and performance of the 6800XT and 3080 are close enough it seems that I'd be happy with either so it comes down to who can get stock in first.

Probably AMD, their 7nm process has good yields at this point.

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1 hour ago, Random_Person1234 said:

I've just re-watched part of the launch and noticed that Scott Herkelman said at around 15:35 in the video "[AMD] are already working on a super resolution feature to give gamers an option for more performance when using ray tracing." That sure sounds like a DLSS counterpart to me.

 

To be fair, that should be in the product already, not a vague promise. Ideally. 

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9 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

I hope you can flash a 6800 to a 6800xt like you can do with a 5700 right now. Otherwise it's not that much of a bargain - 18% faster than a 2080 ti means 18% faster than a 3070, but it's also 18% more expensive ($580 vs $500). 

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7 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

The slide says 300W Total Board Power.

Is this with or without Rage Mode? It's basically overclocking, so it'll almost certainly result in a higher power consumption over stock.

 

Hopefully it's with Rage Mode, otherwise AMD is being a bit deceptive advertising performance that isn't available at the power consumption they're listing. But honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they were. AMD is no stranger to the deceptive marketing game.

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Does anyone know the HDMI spec of the new cards? I don't remember seeing that in the presentation, and with 4K 120 Hz TVs going way down in price this seems pretty important.

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10 minutes ago, KeltonDSMer said:

Does anyone know the HDMI spec of the new cards? I don't remember seeing that in the presentation, and with 4K 120 Hz TVs going way down in price this seems pretty important.

AMD's website says HDMI 2.1 VRR.

 

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13 minutes ago, KeltonDSMer said:

Does anyone know the HDMI spec of the new cards? I don't remember seeing that in the presentation, and with 4K 120 Hz TVs going way down in price this seems pretty important.

their site only says hdmi 4k: YES

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a virtual machine that simulates the old rage128 cards.  time to bust out your descent and descent2 floppies folks!

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1 hour ago, Lakobrija said:

I just wonder, will their next apus be on rdna2

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8 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Cezanne (Zen3 APUs) is still Vega 2.0 based according to leaks.

there is suppose to be 3-4 versions of APUS. some using RNDA2 some using VEGA with a mix of zen2 and zen3

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I like how competitive this seems, which gives me hope for future GPU prices.

 

I feel like AMD is going to milk the early adopter train here while NV doesn't have enough stock, netting them more income for future R&D (which they need to compete with NV long term), then when NV drops TI or Super cards, drop pricing to make the tiers change.

 

My assumption based on watching the presentation is that these are all the same GPU die, with a bunch of binning and fusing (much like they did with chiplets in CPUs), so BOM of each card level is probably similar.  That should also make driver work easier in general, so hopefully less issues there, and also prevent flashing something like a 6800 to a 6800xt.  It does, however, make one wonder if there will be another die for lower end cards, such as a 6700 and then 6500 being the binned down version, sometime next year, to perhaps target 1080/1440 vs the 4k main target of these cards.

 

It sounds like the AMD tech such as the cache and SAM are mainly only beneficial at high resolution/texture though.  So it may be quite interesting to see how this scales for fps when dropping settings/resolution vs a similar class NV card.  From the sounds of it, AMD slightly better 4k, similar 1440 (2k), and then probably worse 1080 (HD)…but of course we'll have to wait for real third party reviews and benchmarks to know.

 

RAGE Mode as described by GN isn't overclocking, but rather basically increasing power target/limit and only expecting a 1-2% increase, but on all titles (vs SAM needing title support, but able to do more).

 

RTRT (Real Time Ray Tracing) support is not RTX, but DX12Ultimate, so various other RT implementations won't automatically all work.

 

All in all, I'm happy with the announcement.  If they deliver on the expectations, things will be good.

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Better than I expected. After the usual 5-20% less performance from the inhouse benchmarks will still be pretty good.

 

And is anyone else questioning the 6800XT to 6900 having the same TDP?

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2 minutes ago, niofalpha said:

Better than I expected. After the usual 5-20% less performance from the inhouse benchmarks will still be pretty good.

 

And is anyone else questioning the 6800XT to 6900 having the same TDP?

🤔 You find something odd about that? I mean, the Ryzen 5 3600 and R7 3700X for instance have the same TDP so. 🤷‍♂️

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9 hours ago, mousesnob said:

I would think that the lack of cuda accel stuff would make that card pretty unattracrive.

That's pretty much my use case, unfortunately. I wonder if the reason they didn't announce any lower-end cards today is because of NVidia's hiding away of the 3060. I could be being a conspiracy theorist but Team Green could have been waiting to see what AMD was going to compete with in the traditionally held "budget" market so they could potentially undercut or match price for higher performance with the 3060 but now there's now 6700XT or lower, they might be forced to show their hand first so AMD can do the undercutting.

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