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AMD graphics drivers are still broken?

Hi all,

today is an interesting day for gpu buyers but I would like to understand one thing from AMD gpu users, are the drivers still broken giving weirdness or other problems or they managed to fix them?

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Haven't had any issue in a long time. They had a lot of issues with the rx5700 for the first 4-5 months but were good after. So basically wait for reviews and see what they say about it. Hopefully amd learned because that will have cost them a good bit of lost money.

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Still crashes from time to time after exiting a game on my 5700xt, but not during gaming for some reason.

But it is way better than when they first came out.

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I bought my 5700XT on release day and have never experienced a single crash or major issue with stability. RDNA did have some small bugs when it first launched (for example HDR was broken in most games, you would get flickering when launching and closing games and some games would black screen if not in borderless windowed mode) but these have been ironed out now and since Navi is RDNA based there should be no reason for things to get worse.

 

My one concern is AMDs raytracing implementation since this will be relying on DirectX12/Vulkan and is brand new. I would imagine its going to have some bugs for the first few months.

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I am not sure, it's hard to tell but I do know that a hell of a lot of people perpetuate the "driver issues" thing without any real knowledge or experience of it.

 

I'll explain wht I mean.

 

I run a 5700XT. I do get occasional crashes, under different conditions.

 

Most common one is mid game, sometimes it's after changing graphics settings in a game. Sometimes it's when trying to overclock.

 

Sometimes I have strange non-crashing issues like monitor refresh rates just resetting themselves from 144 back to 60. Silly stuff like that. It happens often enough that it can't be ignored but not often enough that it really gets in my way or makes me want to rma the card.

 

Now, I don't know if that's down to the GPU drivers or my motherboard or maybe even windows, I have no idea. So I can't blame drivers neccessarily.

 

One thing I do know for sure is that there are frequent updates to the Adrenalin software, more than I would like and it's not always obvious what the update is fixing or adding.

 

Do I think NVIDIA GPU drivers are more reliable than Radeon? Maybe, not sure.

 

It can be hard to separate the anecdotal, historic "Driver issues" blurb that peple always seem to mention when comparing nvidia to amd without really having any knowledge of it themselves.

 

I think any truly new product can suffer teething problems when it comes to market and that's part of the early adoption experience. We have seen RTX 30 series issues already and we'll probably see Big Navi issues too and no doubt people will jump on the "drivers issues" badwagon once again.

 

Maybe it's deserved criticism, maybe it's not.

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1 minute ago, Shabba said:

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FYI you can always click on release notes to see exactly what the driver fixes and what outstanding issues AMD know about. Also if you go to Settings inside Adrenalin you can set it to only update to WHQL drivers which is usually once every 2 to 3 months instead of 1 or 2 per month.

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On older cards (Hawaii) they're rock solid.

 

Anyway we can't judge the drivers we have today on cards that are not available yet. We'll have to wait for in-depth reviews to see any problems.

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5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

FYI you can always click on release notes to see exactly what the driver fixes and what outstanding issues AMD know about. Also if you go to Settings inside Adrenalin you can set it to only update to WHQL drivers which is usually once every 2 to 3 months instead of 1 or 2 per month.

Yeah they are usually clear, but not always. Plus your own specific issue is normally not mentioned so one of the awkward decisions you have to make as a user is do I take the optional update and cross my fingers that my overall experience is improved or do I just stick with the advised update?

 

As far as I know there's no "Rollback" option in the Adrenalin software so that adds another unknown for the user, if I update how do I rollback?

 

Also if you take optional drivers it helps them flesh out issues (as long as you report them)

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1 minute ago, Shabba said:

if I update how do I rollback?

I keep the installers of each major release. DDU and install the desired one. Not optimal, but I'm not aware if there's a better way.

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RX580 here, playing 5-6 hours non stop, no problem.

Looks like it only happens with newer cards.

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1 hour ago, Parideboy said:

I keep the installers of each major release. DDU and install the desired one. Not optimal, but I'm not aware if there's a better way.

That's the same way to do it with Nvidia cards as well.

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2 hours ago, Shabba said:

I run a 5700XT. I do get occasional crashes, under different conditions.

I get occasional crashes on my 1060.

 

And it's very game dependent how frequently... 

 

I don't think that's all what people mean with unstable AMD drivers, it's more like outright not working (games not launching, black screen...) and features not working, being buggy (and yes, of course "crashes" of all kinds too) 

 

Few examples from my recent 5500 "experience". 

 

You need to turn on the OSD, every time you start a game and it may or may not work, it also may stop working at *any* time. 

 

Custom fan curve gets reset after exiting a game (so kinda similar to above) 

 

Game recording will either stop working randomly, or also randomly take a huge performance hit, in game and in recording. 

 

Also games can take a huge performance hit at *any time* independently of recording is on or off. 

 

Only restarting the Radeon software fixes it, restarting only the game does *not* fix it - talking about ca. 20fps hit for no apparent reason (I call it soft crash) 

 

 

That said in a week of testing I had exactly 1 real gpu related crash, and that was only because I dared to use Saphire Strixx software to change the led colors, which resulted in immediate black screen / crash / pc restart.

 

 

PS: all of the above can happen with Nvidia drivers too, the big difference is frequency of it happening...

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2 hours ago, Parideboy said:

I keep the installers of each major release. DDU and install the desired one. Not optimal, but I'm not aware if there's a better way.

Yup, I have probably around 10GB worth of NV drivers sitting around... New NV drivers never work for me, currently on a version from March or even older... 

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2 hours ago, Parideboy said:

I keep the installers of each major release. DDU and install the desired one. Not optimal, but I'm not aware if there's a better way.

Assuming you updated from an older version you can open device manager, open the properties for your GPU, click the driver tab and click the roll back button.

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3 hours ago, Shabba said:

I am not sure, it's hard to tell but I do know that a hell of a lot of people perpetuate the "driver issues" thing without any real knowledge or experience of it.

 

I'll explain wht I mean.

 

I run a 5700XT. I do get occasional crashes, under different conditions.

 

Most common one is mid game, sometimes it's after changing graphics settings in a game. Sometimes it's when trying to overclock.

 

Sometimes I have strange non-crashing issues like monitor refresh rates just resetting themselves from 144 back to 60. Silly stuff like that. It happens often enough that it can't be ignored but not often enough that it really gets in my way or makes me want to rma the card.

 

Now, I don't know if that's down to the GPU drivers or my motherboard or maybe even windows, I have no idea. So I can't blame drivers neccessarily.

 

One thing I do know for sure is that there are frequent updates to the Adrenalin software, more than I would like and it's not always obvious what the update is fixing or adding.

 

Do I think NVIDIA GPU drivers are more reliable than Radeon? Maybe, not sure.

 

It can be hard to separate the anecdotal, historic "Driver issues" blurb that peple always seem to mention when comparing nvidia to amd without really having any knowledge of it themselves.

 

I think any truly new product can suffer teething problems when it comes to market and that's part of the early adoption experience. We have seen RTX 30 series issues already and we'll probably see Big Navi issues too and no doubt people will jump on the "drivers issues" badwagon once again.

 

Maybe it's deserved criticism, maybe it's not.

Yeah, well, pretty much "shit happens", however AMD does have a bunch of driver issues that go  like a red line through their release notes, which is rather remarkable. 

Steve "tech jesus™" Gamer Nexus has some details on that... 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think there was a follow up video especially for the first one... yet??  🤔

 

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tech jesus did not have any follow ups on that videos, guess will have one with navi 2

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I always use the driver from the GPU manufacturer rather than the one from AMD, maybe i'm just paranoid but ive never had an issue by doing it this way. I currently run the Asus driver mof my 5700 XT and it runs great and OC awesome not a single issue since i switched the driver to the Asus one.

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4 minutes ago, airborne spoon said:

I always use the driver from the GPU manufacturer rather than the one from AMD, maybe i'm just paranoid but ive never had an issue by doing it this way. I currently run the Asus driver mof my 5700 XT and it runs great and OC awesome not a single issue since i switched the driver to the Asus one.

That's just running an older version driver, not running anything different than you get from AMD.

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4 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

That's just running an older version driver, not running anything different than you get from AMD.

Indeed, the older driver seems to be better. For some reason whenever i get the new one from AMD not the beta one i always have some sort of an issue.

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I bought RX 5700xt in November last year and it still have same problems. On some games it crashes after several minutes (CSGO) and on some it never crashed. I tried to do multiple things that are often recommended nothing worked for me. I even reinstalled Windows. Only think i did not tried yet is rollback on drivers.

I feel like it is slowly getting better but maybe that is just me getting used to it. I just don't play games that are crashing which is sad

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Never had issues with 5700XT under Windows or Linux.  Had issues with 5700 at first but they were resolved (and never returned) after updating the motherboard BIOS so I don't think that the card was to blame.

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6 minutes ago, krupk4 said:

I bought RX 5700xt in November last year and it still have same problems. On some games it crashes after several minutes (CSGO) and on some it never crashed. I tried to do multiple things that are often recommended nothing worked for me. I even reinstalled Windows. Only think i did not tried yet is rollback on drivers.

I feel like it is slowly getting better but maybe that is just me getting used to it. I just don't play games that are crashing which is sad

Maybe give the 20.5.1 beta driver a test run, and see if hardware scheduling improves your stability. (it did in most of my testing, the rest is unstable due to overheating)

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I'm using a 5700XT, no issues. Just don't mess with the radeon control panel and everything will be fine.

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41 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Maybe give the 20.5.1 beta driver a test run, and see if hardware scheduling improves your stability. (it did in most of my testing, the rest is unstable due to overheating)

I just updated to 20.10.1 beta. Maybe I should try rollback to last stable 20.8.3

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