Would a Ryzen 5 3600 bottleneck an RTX 3070?

[DashLB]

I am planning on possibly getting an RTX 3070 (if i even can lol) and I was wondering if my Ryzen 5 3600 would be bottlenecking my FPS in games when playing with the 3070. Thanks!

[Helpful Tech Witch]

What res?

[bellabichon]

What resolution is your monitor, and what games do you primarily play? 

[DashLB]

6 minutes ago, bellabichon said:

What resolution is your monitor, and what games do you primarily play? 

1920 x 1080 60Hz (planning on upgrading to high refresh rate) @24"

Games in order from most played: Fortnite ; Minecraft ; Garry's Mod ; CSGO

[DashLB]

9 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

What res?

1920 x 1080

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, Dash1234321 said:

1920 x 1080

yep. a 2080ti (for refrense) is bottlenecked by the 3600 quite a bit at 1080p, so the 30790 will probably b pretty similar.

[DashLB]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

yep. a 2080ti (for refrense) is bottlenecked by the 3600 quite a bit at 1080p, so the 30790 will probably b pretty similar.

So what do you suggest I do?: Not get a new GPU; get a new GPU and CPU (if so which CPU budget wise); upgrade my monitor instead (currently rocking a 5600xt which gets me pretty good fps however I often have large drops in areas full of lots of players in fortnite). 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

7 minutes ago, Dash1234321 said:

So what do you suggest I do?: Not get a new GPU; get a new GPU and CPU (if so which CPU budget wise); upgrade my monitor instead (currently rocking a 5600xt which gets me pretty good fps however I often have large drops in areas full of lots of players in fortnite). 

what are your full specs?

[DashLB]

1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

what are your full specs?

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600

GPU: RX 5600XT

Motherboard: B550-A Pro

RAM: 32GB of 3600MHz @CL18

Storage: 500GB of NVME SSD & 1TB 7200RPM HDD

Case: NZXT H500i

I think thats enough info lol psu is 650W 80+ bronz btw

[aDoomGuy]

If you are gaming at 60Hz then your monitor will be the bottleneck. Neither your CPU or GPU will be fully tasked. Unless you go gung-ho without any V/G-sync for the purpose of massive screen tearing.

 

 

If however you wish to upgrade your monitor in the future...

100Hz(+) 3600 will be bottleneck but Ryzen 5000 will come so I would recommend to upgrade to that later on.

4K(+)60Hz Your Ryzen should be fine.

[DashLB]

1 minute ago, aDoomGuy said:

If you are gaming at 60Hz then your monitor will be the bottleneck. Neither your CPU or GPU will be fully tasked. Unless you go gung-ho without any V/G-sync for the purpose of massive screen tearing.

 

 

If however you wish to upgrade your monitor in the future...

100Hz(+) 3600 will be bottleneck but Ryzen 5000 will come so I would recommend to upgrade to that later on.

4K(+)60Hz Your Ryzen should be fine.

Alright so I think im just going to get the gpu now, then the monitor, then cpu in that order. does that make sense?

[aDoomGuy]

1 minute ago, Dash1234321 said:

Alright so I think im just going to get the gpu now, then the monitor, then cpu in that order. does that make sense?

Sure will, even if there is a bottleneck ..nothing will explode so there's also that. My 3600x is pretty bottlenecked by the 2060 Super but it's good enough for now.

 

BTW, monitors can be overclocked too...  

[SavageNeo]

9 minutes ago, aDoomGuy said:

My 3600x is pretty bottlenecked by the 2060 Super

my 3600 (non x ) did go well with 2080 super without any bottleneck at 1080p 144hz. have not tested with 2080 ti yet. will test sooon.

my 3700x does not bottleneck the 2080 ti so i think that 3600 will be mostly fine with it too.

[aDoomGuy]

1 hour ago, SavageNeo said:

my 3600 (non x ) did go well with 2080 super without any bottleneck at 1080p 144hz. have not tested with 2080 ti yet. will test sooon.

my 3700x does not bottleneck the 2080 ti so i think that 3600 will be mostly fine with it too.

Yeah I think you are entering the borderlands with the 2080 ti since my 2060 super holds back this CPU so much. Damn good little CPU.

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, aDoomGuy said:

If you are gaming at 60Hz then your monitor will be the bottleneck. Neither your CPU or GPU will be fully tasked. Unless you go gung-ho without any V/G-sync for the purpose of massive screen tearing.

Actually, I think that's what everyone should strive for, monitor is the ideal bottleneck, you'll never have any drops or tearing and you can play at max settings, put that volumetric lighting to the maximum too! 

 

Well this is exactly what I aim for... If I get a 3070/3080/super ill still keep my monitor and my next monitor will be 1080p /60hz again = max settings, no drops... The dream come true.... 

 

Having a monitor that maxes out the other hardware would be extremely counter productive, unless someone really likes them framedrops (so nobody) 

 

 

Also don't forget if you have really powerful hardware you can super sample... Which still is a very nice option to have (theoretically super sampled looks even better than native because it gets rid of jaggies and stuff) 

 

 

2 hours ago, aDoomGuy said:

4K(+)60Hz Your Ryzen should be fine.

See that's what I mean, if that is so you can just use NVIDIA super sampling (I doubt many games allow for this tho at "60 fps" but it's always an option either way) 

[LAwLz]

4 hours ago, Dash1234321 said:

I am planning on possibly getting an RTX 3070 (if i even can lol) and I was wondering if my Ryzen 5 3600 would be bottlenecking my FPS in games when playing with the 3070. Thanks!

Entirely depend on what program/game you are running and what the expected results are.

 

 

3 hours ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

yep. a 2080ti (for refrense) is bottlenecked by the 3600 quite a bit at 1080p, so the 30790 will probably b pretty similar.

No it doesn't.

A 3600 is more than enough to not bottleneck a 2080 Ti or even a 3090 in most games.

What is it with LTT and always dramatically overestimating how much of an impact CPU has on gaming? CPU is almost completely irrelevant for gaming.

 

Game (all at 1080p, medium or high)	3600		9900K		Difference
Warhammer II Battle	99		107		8%
F1	164		190		16%
Assassin's Creed Origins	81		82		1%
GTA V	79		88		11%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider	97		121		25%
Hitman 2	58		70		21%
Average		-		-	14%

 

 

So if you:

1) Measure minimum FPS and not average FPS.

2) Overclock a 2080 Ti and keep your CPU at stock settings.

3) Play on 1080 medium settings.

 

Do all of the above, you MIGHT be able to squeeze out like 15% more FPS if you buy a processor that's like 100% more expensive. But as soon as you start increasing the resolution or quality (from medium to high) or start looking at average FPS instead of minimum FPS then the difference pretty much disappears.

Even in the examples above, which is like a worst case scenario for the 3600, buying a better CPU doesn't really change the experience of gaming. Do you really notice the difference between 164 and 190 FPS? Do you really notice the difference between 97 and 121?

 

Gaming is not CPU intensive. You do not need a good CPU to game. Even a low-end CPU can handle a high end GPU without any problems.

In a handful of (still relevant) games like CS:Go the CPU matters more than the GPU, but for those games even a cheap CPU like the 3600 is waaay more than enough.

 

A 3600 is as much as you need for gaming. If you're doing CPU heavy tasks outside of gaming then it might be worth buying something more expensive, but if not then a 3600 is more than enough regardless of which GPU you have.

[LogicalDrm]

-> Moved to PC Gaming

[STbob]

On 10/27/2020 at 6:52 AM, LAwLz said:

Entirely depend on what program/game you are running and what the expected results are.

 

 

No it doesn't.

A 3600 is more than enough to not bottleneck a 2080 Ti or even a 3090 in most games.

What is it with LTT and always dramatically overestimating how much of an impact CPU has on gaming? CPU is almost completely irrelevant for gaming.

 

Game (all at 1080p, medium or high)	3600		9900K		Difference
Warhammer II Battle	99		107		8%
F1	164		190		16%
Assassin's Creed Origins	81		82		1%
GTA V	79		88		11%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider	97		121		25%
Hitman 2	58		70		21%
Average		-		-	14%

 

 

So if you:

1) Measure minimum FPS and not average FPS.

2) Overclock a 2080 Ti and keep your CPU at stock settings.

3) Play on 1080 medium settings.

 

Do all of the above, you MIGHT be able to squeeze out like 15% more FPS if you buy a processor that's like 100% more expensive. But as soon as you start increasing the resolution or quality (from medium to high) or start looking at average FPS instead of minimum FPS then the difference pretty much disappears.

Even in the examples above, which is like a worst case scenario for the 3600, buying a better CPU doesn't really change the experience of gaming. Do you really notice the difference between 164 and 190 FPS? Do you really notice the difference between 97 and 121?

 

Gaming is not CPU intensive. You do not need a good CPU to game. Even a low-end CPU can handle a high end GPU without any problems.

In a handful of (still relevant) games like CS:Go the CPU matters more than the GPU, but for those games even a cheap CPU like the 3600 is way more than enough.

 

A 3600 is as much as you need for gaming. If you're doing CPU heavy tasks outside of gaming then it might be worth buying something more expensive, but if not then a 3600 is more than enough regardless of which GPU you have.

Hats off to you for a voice of reason.

People go a bit nuts on the term "Bottlenecked"   Ideally you dont have any but you are always going to have some and its better for the graphics card to be "Too fast" than have the cpu be too fast.   

I have an old ivy 6 core and a 1080gtx.   Sure It would bench faster with faster cpu but all my games play 100+ fps so I could care less.  Some would trash their old system MB, cpu, ram etc so they can say they are not bottlenecked yet have ZERO tangible game play difference (only in benchmarks) 

 

Really you start to feel the chug when the graphics card runs out of bandwidth so don't worry about a little mismatch on the cpu alway err on the side of getting a faster gpu (bottlenecked) a little headroom there is good anyway.

I've seen people get the fastest cpu then they get a mid tier graphics card.  Better to have the slower cpu and put the money into the graphics.  If you can do both sure but don't have to..