Is this a performance issue 1080p 3080rtx?

[Zindokar]

Hi all! Thanks for reading this post.

 

I bought a new computer expecting a lot of FPS in 1080p gaming (I want to upgrade to 4k soon, but now I don't own 4k gaming monitor), but I was expecting more FPS than I am getting. Why? Because I've been watching youtube videos benchmarking the 3080rtx cards with my CPU and they are getting lot of FPS in 4k (60-80-100 fps).

 

If you don't mind I want to discuss with you if I'm getting expected FPS or less.

 

My specs:

• CPU:
  AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz
• Motherboard:
  MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WI-Fi
• RAM:
  Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro AMD Optimized DDR4 3200 16GB 2x8GB CL16
• GPU:
  Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 10G 10GB GDDR6X
• Storage:
  Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 SSD 1TB M.2 3D TLC
• PSU:
  Corsair RM750 750W 80 Plus Gold Full Modular 2019/20
• Operating System:
  Windows 10 Pro 64bits

Conditions while playing those games (may affect performance):

1. Two monitors active, main with game 1080p 165hz and secondary 1080p 60hz.
2. Discord, telegram, steam and battle.net apps open.
3. With World of Warcraft I usually have Netflix w10 app watching some tv-show while playing.
4. Some times I stream in my own discord server for fun with friends (I don't see FPS are affected, only discord stream lagging or simiar issues).
5. I usually turn on V-sync because I hate the image desync. But people usually tell that it has a lot of performance issues.

The Witcher 3:

1080p Full Screen - Vsync OFF - HBAO+ - Default ultra settings

Outdoor: 150-165fps - During Nithral fight: Min 177fps - max 195fps

 

Death Stranding:

1080p Full Screen -.Vsync Off - DLSS On Quality Settings - Default very high settings

Everything is outdoor: 120-140fps

 

Horizon Zero Dawn:

1080p Full Screen - Vsync Off - Refresh ratio 165hz - Default ultra settings

Average: 140fps

 

Borderlands 3:

1080p Full  Screen - 100% resolution scaling - Vsync Off - Default Badass Settings

Average: 119fps

Average with 200% resolution scaling: 55fps

 

Minecraft Bedrock RTX Beta:

Settings? Average: 150 fps

 

Numbers are good of course... but still not more than 165fps for my 165hz monitor... Everything looks great but let's be honest 1080p is low quality xd, so I imagine if I go to 4k those numbers will be lower and benchmark numbers at 4k on youtube are pretty good.... So, are they normal numbers for 1080p? Thanks.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

are yout temps weird?

The rtx 3000 cards tank at 1080p, with both terible cpu bottlenecks, and a seemingly large dislike for it. Also, running 2 1080p 165hz monitors will be worse for fps thsn one 1080 165.

[Zindokar]

Temps are CPU and GPU between 64ºC and 75ºC.

GPU mostly running at 90-100%, more 99-100% than 90%.

CPU running below 20%...

[jones177]

Play using MSI Afterburner and you will find that you are totally CPU bound at 1080p. Even my overclocked Intels are CPU bound at that resolution even with my 2080 ti. 

 

In RDR 2 the difference between my 1080p and 1440p frames is three or within margin of error. 

 

The only game that I have installed that you tested is Death Stranding and here is the difference between 1080p, 1440 and 4k with your settings. 

I don't think all frames over 120 at 4k would be hard for you and more with a lower DLSS setting.

 

 

  

[Zindokar]

I see. Is there any reason for that? Anyway, thanks for your reply, I also condidered that my 3200mhz RAM is doing some bottlenecking. I will switch to a 4k monitor as soon as possible, but I think coming PS5 and new xbox, 4k monitor/tvs will be more popular and prices will lower in early 2021?

 

Thanks!

 

EDIT: but @jones177 you have 175fps at 1080p in Death Stranding, same settings like me?

[jones177]

4 hours ago, Zindokar said:

 

EDIT: but @jones177 you have 175fps at 1080p in Death Stranding, same settings like me?

That is the high side of the run. The low side was 160fps.

 

The first thing I noticed with the 3080 release is that I could beat most game scores at 1080p. At 1440p I was usually 10 frames behind and at 4k, 20 frames behind. So only at 4k is a 3080 an upgrade for me.

1080p testing is fun to do but I play at 4k so a bit meaningless. I played Death Stranding on the highest settings with DLSS off at around 75fps average.

 

The 5ghz Intels are still king at 1080p but that should change soon so if you decide to stay at 1080p an upgrade to a 5900X would be a good idea. 

 

Also for some fun I installed Death Stranding on my i9 10900k rig and did the run again. 

The results show to me there is no future for 6 core CPUs since the game is using all 10 cores of the i9.

 

[Zindokar]

58 minutes ago, jones177 said:

That is the high side of the run. The low side was 160fps.

 

The first thing I noticed with the 3080 release is that I could beat most game scores at 1080p. At 1440p I was usually 10 frames behind and at 4k, 20 frames behind. So only at 4k is a 3080 an upgrade for me.

1080p testing is fun to do but I play at 4k so a bit meaningless. I played Death Stranding on the highest settings with DLSS off at around 75fps average.

 

The 5ghz Intels are still king at 1080p but that should change soon so if you decide to stay at 1080p an upgrade to a 5900X would be a good idea. 

 

Also for some fun I installed Death Stranding on my i9 10900k rig and did the run again. 

The results show to me there is no future for 6 core CPUs since the game is using all 10 cores of the i9.

 

I will consider the upgrade of ryzen 9 5900X but, I will switch 4k asap. But thanks! I knew I had to buy i9-10900k...

[Zindokar]

I'm updating with this video I just made, really low performance: @jones177

 

 

[jones177]

2 hours ago, Zindokar said:

I'm updating with this video I just made, really low performance: @jones177

With that CPU bottleneck your frame rate would be about the same at 1440p and maybe even 4k.

 

Here is a frame from RDR 2 at 1080p, 1440p and 4k. Notice the frames are about the same at 1080p and 1440. Also notice the GPU usage.

 

This is using Hardware Unboxed settings.

 

On older games it is worse since there is not much difference between 1080p and 4k. Here is GTA 5.

This is at ultra with advanced settings. 1080p and 1440p are the same and since this is at ultra getting 4k to 161fps is doable without noticeable visual lose. 

 

 

I did watch the Hardware unboxed video on Watch Dogs: Legion and it seems hard to run.

It might be a good idea to leave it until you get your new monitor to play since it is an eye candy game and they look better at 4k.

[Zindokar]

On 10/30/2020 at 9:15 PM, jones177 said:

With that CPU bottleneck your frame rate would be about the same at 1440p and maybe even 4k.

 

Here is a frame from RDR 2 at 1080p, 1440p and 4k. Notice the frames are about the same at 1080p and 1440. Also notice the GPU usage.

 

This is using Hardware Unboxed settings.

 

On older games it is worse since there is not much difference between 1080p and 4k. Here is GTA 5.

This is at ultra with advanced settings. 1080p and 1440p are the same and since this is at ultra getting 4k to 161fps is doable without noticeable visual lose. 

 

 

I did watch the Hardware unboxed video on Watch Dogs: Legion and it seems hard to run.

It might be a good idea to leave it until you get your new monitor to play since it is an eye candy game and they look better at 4k.

I will buy a cheap second handed 4k monitor just to test it. I'm still paranoid xd, thanks for response.

[jones177]

16 minutes ago, Zindokar said:

I will buy a cheap second handed 4k monitor just to test it. I'm still paranoid xd, thanks for response.

I use old 28" TN 4k monitors for testing. ASUS makes the best version of these. 

[Zindokar]

On 11/2/2020 at 6:57 PM, jones177 said:

I use old 28" TN 4k monitors for testing. ASUS makes the best version of these. 

I got a cheap 4k monitor but it has very good quality but only 60hz, anyway I'm getting same or better performance in 4k gaming. But I must have vsync off or it gets very desyncronized frames...

[jones177]

I use G sync on my LG OLEDs and vsync on my monitors so they stay at 60 playing games.  With the 2080 ti all frames are over 60 so the counter rarely moves. 

 

I did spot your Time Spy scores and they are very low. I think your CPU is dragging down your 3080.

Your CPU score is 10215 and that is 2000 down on a good 3900x score. 

 

For gaming I use Cinebench R15 for testing since it does not use AVX. 

You want around 200 to 204 in the single core test with around 214 with an overclock. Your multi core score should be around 3100. The scores can be affected by background apps so run it a few times.  If your CPU is doing fine then you have to work on the GPU. If you are not getting good scores make a post for the Ryzen experts to see what is up.

 

For the GPU use GPUZ.  First check what power the card should use by going to the Advanced tab and the Nvidia Bios pulldown. In the middle is the power limits of the card.  It will have the minium, default and maximum setting for the bios. Then run Heaven in a window on your 4k monitor and see if your GPU hits its power limit. Use the sensors tab to view watts used. It looks like this.

The default power limit on my 2080 ti is 300 watts and it reached 306 watts without an overclock so it is doing ok.

 

I then tested the card with the power limit all the way up and a 24/7 overclock. The card gets close enough to its power limit of 373 watts so it is ok.

 

A card will not reach its power limit if it is bottlenecked. For my 2080 ti I can use 1080p ultra with extreme tessellation and 8x AA but you my have to go to 1440p on a 3080.