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Movie Company Sues Pirates Who Used an Anonymous VPN (PIA)

5 hours ago, piratemonkey said:

I know they've been subpoenaed before. I don't think they have after Cape Tech. acquired them though, which is what I'm interested in seeing (policy changes). 

And yes, VPNs are not as important as people make them out to be. In fact, I'd say for the vast majority of people they weaken your defense. IP tracking is not widely used. Fingerprinting, social media trackers, and analytics are all used a ton more. This forum has google analytics, along with amazon ads which uses some tracking (cookies namely). 

 

Also, thank you for that test thing. I didn't ever think to use something like that.

A blank slate of a computer, fake email, Mac spoofing and a public hotspot (even better in the age of masks, just keep identifying info/vehicle well away) would make tracking down a pirate an expensive endeavor. You don’t need a powerful machine to download torrents. Something small, cheap and discreet (IE, common and forgettable) works well. Long battery life is much more important than processing power. Easy to close up and walk away at a moment’s notice. 
 

I hadn’t tried this myself, but I wonder if Deep Freeze could reset a spoofed Mac. Download pirate booty to an encrypted USB. Shut off PC. Once it’s booted, there’s no evidence of the offending Mac Address at all. And would make it trivial to start with a blank web browser slate. 

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When will they learn?

 

You cannot, and will not, stop piracy. There is no real discussion on this. People like myself will find a way around your bullshit.

 

I try to be fair. If I find your content worthy, I will purchase it even after pirating it, if not, I will not.

 

End of fucking story. Either go commercial and make it "free", or piss off. I'd purchase the movie Greyhound, if it was available on a platform that was reasonable. But because it is not, I will not.

 

Fantastic movie, but whoever thought it would be a good idea to lock it down to Apple, is a freaking moron. Just sell me your goddamned product directly and stop trying to establish walled gardens that I have no interest in, I'd rather take my chances pirating, or just never see the content to begin with.

 

You  can make legal arguments all you want, but the reality is that this is a discussion of value. If your content isn't valuable enough to pay for, I'm not going to pay for it, and in this day and age of shitty content, I'm going to put time and effort (of which I have an abundance) into viewing it without paying for it, to save money (of which I have very little).

 

Essentially, they vastly overvalue their content, and are continually surprised by how many people don't care enough to pay.

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Personally I rather watch Movies and Series with Free Streaming Services like cwtv.com, IMDB.com, YouTube Movies, and the like. No need to Pirate at all.

 

 

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7 hours ago, BuckGup said:

PIA is owned and operated in the United States. There isn't anything else I need to say beyond that

Yes, there is. What you have there is conjecture, not an argument.

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7 hours ago, BuckGup said:

PIA is owned and operated in the United States. There isn't anything else I need to say beyond that

You act like we're communist China.  Corporations here are not extensions of the government.  Some do work with the government, but even then it doesn't mean they're automatically going to sell out their customer base.  Your "argument" is nothing more than a pithy quip, lacking any real substance.

32 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Yes, there is. What you have there is conjecture, not an argument.

That's not even conjecture, that at minimum requires an argument to be put forth.  His statement assumes those reading will be like minded with him, and that he doesn't need to explain because the reader will infer it for themselves.

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13 hours ago, Lakobrija said:

Because to not pay for stuff they use downloaded via torrent? Like, all the software?

Or when you have the hw and willing to pay for fhd/4k but all you get is a middle finger baceuse you dont use an mspy os and/or browser....

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Gotta use a VPN server in a not so well developed country (east europe, south America, Asia ...) because companies prefer sue in western countries.

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Why we just couldn’t hang software pirates................................and horse thieves.

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7 hours ago, Jito463 said:

You act like we're communist China.  Corporations here are not extensions of the government.  Some do work with the government, but even then it doesn't mean they're automatically going to sell out their customer base.  Your "argument" is nothing more than a pithy quip, lacking any real substance.

That's not even conjecture, that at minimum requires an argument to be put forth.  His statement assumes those reading will be like minded with him, and that he doesn't need to explain because the reader will infer it for themselves.

With that mindset you are going to end up like these people. It's not being hyper paranoid it's simply realistic. The government doesn't need a warrant to get your data so it's stupid to use a VPN provider inside any of the 14 eyes countries. Are they going to comply with the feds? Maybe or maybe not. It's just an unnecessary risk that doesn't need to be taken though. Also the claims I make aren't based upon nothing. It's based upon what's happened in the past with VPN providers. 

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8 hours ago, WereCatf said:

Yes, there is. What you have there is conjecture, not an argument.

It's more of safety precautions one should take to avoid going to prison. Also PIA was bought by Kape Technologies who is the owner of Cyber Ghost and shouldn't be trusted. I sound like someone who is paranoid but it's the reality of the situation. Most people don't do anything on their VPN to have the feds after them.

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It's more of safety precautions one should take to avoid going to prison

No, you were stating things as if it was a fact that PIA was worse than not using a VPN at all and now you're trying to both backtrack and move the goalposts.

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Just now, WereCatf said:

No, you were stating things as if it was a fact that PIA was worse than not using a VPN at all and now you're trying to both backtrack and move the goalposts.

It is a fact tho. They are owned and operated in the United States, are one of the top 10 VPN providers, they have no canary watch, and users have been served before by warrant less searches. 

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17 hours ago, agatong55 said:

So ether these guys didnt have there there VPN turned on or PIA is acting goofy again... will be interesting to see what happens seeing as I and I am sure others on this forum uses PIA.

There are several ways to track a user including from within the OS itself as well as embedded cpu code, not to mention other devices on the network that are identifiable and can poll data.

A VPN is only a small part of being anonymous, with the rest relying on disposable hardware, software, and networks.

While a VPN can help make you more anonymous, it's not a magic bubble that hides you from the world.

In my personal opinion, A VPN creates a false sense of security among users.

The real question is just how far someone is willing to go to track you and whether they can prove anything once your found.

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

They are owned and operated in the United States

Wow, a company operates somewhere on Earth. Amazing.

8 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

are one of the top 10 VPN providers

Irrelevant.

8 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

they have no canary watch

Again, that doesn't make any of your claims a fact.

9 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

and users have been served before by warrant less searches

I expect you to display evidence that it was PIA's fault and not something the users themselves did to expose themselves.

Hand, n. A singular instrument worn at the end of the human arm and commonly thrust into somebody’s pocket.

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3 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Wow, a company operates somewhere on Earth. Amazing.

Irrelevant.

Again, that doesn't make any of your claims a fact.

I expect you to display evidence that it was PIA's fault and not something the users themselves did to expose themselves.

I'm not the one who made the guidelines to follow when picking VPNs dude lol. I'm not sure what else I can say because obviously you don't care or are in denial as the first statement you say makes me aware you don't care

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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I'm not sure what else I can say

Evidence would do nicely.

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Hang on, let me get this straight. Defendants blah blah registered for paid accounts with PIA, and PIA server addresses were used in the torrent.... anyone else here seeing their math is wrong?  Looks like they just added 2+2 and got 8600 IMO. Just because x users registered for paid accounts with PIA doesn't make them the guilty party.

 

This should get thrown out of court.

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The whole VPN situation is messed though. You really need to research more into it in general since it's not 1-button-all anonymity like many may think. I tried PIA for example, wanted to see how ping will be, nope it's just worse, refunded.

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22 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

I tried PIA for example, wanted to see how ping will be, nope it's just worse, refunded.

Why did you think using a VPN would improve your ping? That doesn't make any sense. Of course a VPN will just increase latency, not decrease it.

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5 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Why did you think using a VPN would improve your ping? That doesn't make any sense. Of course a VPN will just increase latency, not decrease it.

It wasn't the sole reason... And I know it can add up to it. Also, it's not entirely true, depends on VPN some can improve it. 

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This is why , as mentioned by others, you dont use a VPN operated within the intelligence sharing countries.

 

You should also use more than just a VPN for proper security, so that in the event they do drag u into court and/or raid your home, they come out with nothing.

Encryption, secure erase, and kill switches are a must for those who very much feel the need to absolute privacy and security.

 

For the most part, the average joe, including those who watch pirated material, a secure VPN is enough. In this case without further information given, i doubt this will get very far. use of a VPN server isnt enough in a court. In fact it shouldn't even get to court, if it does then im sure there's more info we dont know.

 

Also, if these 'defendants' are ..half whits ...and have used an email address with personal info attached, or one they have accessed without their VPN active. .then much like someone here stated .. a VPN is a tool ..use it incorrectly and u might as well not have one.

Another analogy for the above scenario would be... Robbing a bank wearing a mask that has your face printed on the front of it. Kinda daft.

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19 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Because "an example must be made!!!" 

 

 

Idk, they're probably bored out of their minds or need the publicity 🤷🏼

They tried making an example with the music industry.  99% of those pirating don't have enough money to be worthwhile to go after.  

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PIA probably take logs. They are also based in the US meaning they are not very trust worthy

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6 minutes ago, Sandro Linux said:

PIA probably take logs. They are also based in the US meaning they are not very trust worthy

You're based in the UK, therefor you're not trustworthy.

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4 minutes ago, Lurick said:

You're based in the UK, therefor you're not trustworthy.

My point is that PIA is based in the US a country with a government which supports mass surveillance and might ask PIA to hand over the logs they may have. This is less of a problem with countries based outside of the five eyes

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