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So, tomorrow it is? The Big Navi launch? Can't wait :D

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7 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

So, tomorrow it is? The Big Navi launch? Can't wait :D

I'm more excited for Big Navi than cards from Nvidia that are going to be out of stock for months, although Nvidia has crushed whatever AMD is going to release by moving their 3070 launch to a day before the RX 6000 series launch.

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9 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

So, tomorrow it is? The Big Navi launch? Can't wait :D

Tomorrow is the announcement, launch is TBD. If we’re lucky, launch will be in early November with Zen 3.

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Just now, Blademaster91 said:

Nvidia has crushed whatever AMD is going to release by moving their 3070 launch to a day before the RX 6000 series launch.

3070 launch is the day after RDNA 2 announcement, and we don’t even know when AMD’s actual launch is.

 

Launch = product available to buy

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12 minutes ago, FaxedForward said:

3070 launch is the day after RDNA 2 announcement, and we don’t even know when AMD’s actual launch is.

 

Launch = product available to buy

A lot of the tech youtubers have put up 3070 reviews, it doesn't matter when it launches everyone has their attention on what Nvidia is hyping up. You can't even buy a 3080 unless you sign up for notifications everywhere and can beat the bots yet Nvidia is constantly in the news.

I think most people that are looking for a GPU probably pre-ordered a 3080 or are waiting for a 3070.

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1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

A lot of the tech youtubers have put up 3070 reviews, it doesn't matter when it launches everyone has their attention on what Nvidia is hyping up. You can't even buy a 3080 unless you sign up for notifications everywhere and can beat the bots yet Nvidia is constantly in the news.

I think most people that are looking for a GPU probably pre-ordered a 3080 or are waiting for a 3070.

I don’t necessarily think that’s the case, Nvidia crushing AMD just by allowing 3070 reviews, and I definitely don’t think most people pre-ordered 3080s; very few retailers even allowed it and for many of those that did, it is now known that companies like ASUS and EVGA are not restocking non-OC cards at this time so if you pre-ordered one of those you could be waiting well into 2021. Lots of people openly hoping AMD comes out swinging so they can actually buy a card of some kind this year.

 

If anything Nvidia should have made their cards available today to pull off an upset, but because you can’t buy them for two more days, Nvidia has played its hand and now the ball is very much in AMDs court. 

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I personally have no specific expectations about the coming announcements.  AMD has grown massively from the Intel/ryzen thing, and Nvidia switching its 3070 date changed the metric.  The impression I have gotten is the various companies (microsoft/Sony, AMD/intel, AMD/Nvidia) are more concerned about the other company than they are about consumer drives, so it could very well be that AMD’s announcement gets turned into a nothingburger because of the Nvidia change and the two companies continue to circle each other.  Or AMD might just forge ahead.    I just don’t know.  In all of these pairings both companies seem to want the other to commit first, and the result has been things that could have come out as early as February  in some cases not appearing yet. 

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1 hour ago, leadeater said:

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Yeah ok that does make some business sense, but I think it could still be argued it's a bit shortsighted, at least from a consumer perspective it looks really weak and you just wonder why... aren't they... competing... 

It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, you know? 

 

Yes it's true Nvidia probably could always one up them but I feel that isn't necessarily effective, it's a lot about timing and stuff too. They did have a cheaper gtx 1060 contender actually, the 5xx series, but it wasn't really attractive enough, especially in the age of streaming and the superior nvidia codecs. 

 

If someone didn't care about that at all then yeah, it's been probably a viable alternative (given its not as terrible as the one sample I got to test lol) 

 

Funny enough at the moment it does look a bit like nvidia could have an "intel moment" and AMD could profit of that a lot if they play their cards right, who knows! 

 

 

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The thing is, even if RTX 3070 is out now, we know there will be massive shortages again and since RX 6000 is being announced tomorrow, it would be stupid to just jump on the RTX 3070. Deciding for RTX 3080 a month ago, ok, even I preordered it and canceled it later, but now I'm just waiting for AMD to release the Radeon. Even if you decide for RTX, if Radeons are half worthy, they might push NVIDIA's prices down.

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53 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

The thing is, even if RTX 3070 is out now, we know there will be massive shortages again and since RX 6000 is being announced tomorrow, it would be stupid to just jump on the RTX 3070. Deciding for RTX 3080 a month ago, ok, even I preordered it and canceled it later, but now I'm just waiting for AMD to release the Radeon. Even if you decide for RTX, if Radeons are half worthy, they might push NVIDIA's prices down.

Agreed, and now with the latest CP2077 delay announced today, I am in absolutely zero rush to get a card. Will be really curious to see how the landscape looks when the dust settles, and if Nvidia starts using the imperfect leftover 3080 chips to ship a 3070 Ti like the new rumors suggest.

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Yup, cd projekt red just did us all a favour when it comes to upgrades.

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4 hours ago, FaxedForward said:

I don’t necessarily think that’s the case, Nvidia crushing AMD just by allowing 3070 reviews, and I definitely don’t think most people pre-ordered 3080s; very few retailers even allowed it and for many of those that did, it is now known that companies like ASUS and EVGA are not restocking non-OC cards at this time so if you pre-ordered one of those you could be waiting well into 2021. Lots of people openly hoping AMD comes out swinging so they can actually buy a card of some kind this year.

 

If anything Nvidia should have made their cards available today to pull off an upset, but because you can’t buy them for two more days, Nvidia has played its hand and now the ball is very much in AMDs court. 

It just seems odd to me why Nvidia would delay the 3070 to a day before AMD's RX 6000 series launch, it could be to make sure the launch doesn't go as badly as the 3080 with almost no cards in stock.

But I am hoping AMD has a Radeon card that can compete and has better price to performance, though i'm not expecting much, I might go with AMD if I can actually buy a card, and i've been wanting to try an AMD card since Nvidia has been increasing prices since the RTX 20 series.

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So when's the "BIG" (pardon the pun) reveal now, tomorrow? 

 

Really curious what they have in store, I mean if it's really some kind of 3070 killer *and* uses less power I kinda got to have it...  

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26 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

So when's the "BIG" (pardon the pun) reveal now, tomorrow? 

 

Really curious what they have in store, I mean if it's really some kind of 3070 killer *and* uses less power I kinda got to have it...  

I'm very curious as well. The Nvidia 3000 series use a shit load of power comparatively. The SXM2 version of the card is rated up to 400W tdp. I think the 295x2 was 500W so I'm curious if the 7nm will help AMD out. We all know RT performance will be garbage and they are likely to show off their software version of it but the hardware itself seems promising. But who knows

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34 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

So when's the "BIG" (pardon the pun) reveal now, tomorrow? 

Tomorrow, 12PM EST/4PM GMT.

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

I'm very curious as well. The Nvidia 3000 series use a shit load of power comparatively. The SXM2 version of the card is rated up to 400W tdp. I think the 295x2 was 500W so I'm curious if the 7nm will help AMD out. We all know RT performance will be garbage and they are likely to show off their software version of it but the hardware itself seems promising. But who knows

Yeah, oof, that's another thing I hope doesn't hold AMD back too much... I would have thought they at least have a RT hardware solution... 

I don't really care about it tbh but it's resources they're using and if it's not hw based this isn't going anywhere, and while I currently don't care about it, RT *is* the future.

 

But yeah, I hope they'll be able to keep power draw in check, it's not just I'd hope to keep using my current PSU, it's also heat... But considering the PS4 has a "special" cooling system I expect them to be rather hot anyways, but here's hoping. 

 

So tomorrow, heh. Well, we'll see indeed. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

Yeah, oof, that's another thing I hope doesn't hold AMD back too much... I would have thought they at least have a RT hardware solution... 

I don't really care about it tbh but it's resources they're using and if it's not hw based this isn't going anywhere, and while I currently don't care about it, RT *is* the future.

AMD's new cards (and the new consoles) do have hardware RT support, this was announced by them months ago.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3530346/amd-talks-pc-gpu-ray-tracing-as-it-looks-to-the-future-of-ryzen-and-radeon.html

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2 minutes ago, FaxedForward said:

AMD's new cards (and the new consoles) do have hardware RT support, this was announced by them months ago.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3530346/amd-talks-pc-gpu-ray-tracing-as-it-looks-to-the-future-of-ryzen-and-radeon.html

Ah, see I thought that's the case but wasn't sure, thanks! 

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The impression I am getting is hardware RT support isn’t really something worth having quite yet.  Even the strongest still isn’t strong enough.   When it suddenly is though it will be a single game.  Possibly a very simple looking one. It will be a game that will use ONLY RT, it will be able to do things no other game could do before, and it will change everything.  Such has not appeared yet though.  RT Minecraft took the best crack so far at it but didn’t make it.

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

The impression I am getting is hardware RT support isn’t really something worth having quite yet.  Even the strongest still isn’t strong enough.   When it suddenly is though it will be a single game.  Possibly a very simple looking one. It will be a game that will use ONLY RT, it will be able to do things no other game could do before, and it will change everything.  Such has not appeared yet though.  RT Minecraft took the best crack so far at it but didn’t make it.

It's better with the RTX 30 series, where there's not as much of a performance hit, but this is still true to a degree. It feels like we're back in the old days of the GeForce 256 and GeForce 2, when hardware transformation and lighting was available but so new and limited that you didn't really see the practical benefits for a while.

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