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Sale numbers of NVidia 30-series released by european retailer Proshop.

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3 hours ago, CarlBar said:

 

Unless proshop routinely sells outside Denmark i can safely say they don't normally order 4000 of a GPU. Thats one 3070 per 700 population in Denmark. The 30 series might be popular but i doubt it's that popular. it would be the equivalent of the whole of the US buying over a quarter million 3070's. Demand might be way outstripping supply but it's not that high.

Proshop has webshops in Germany, Poland, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, Finland and Norway. Total population in those countries are 157.2 million (Source: Worldometer 2020).

 

I can see them ordering that many GPUs.

Summary

Proshop, a large danish retailer, released their numbers on how many NVidia 30-series cards have been sold, ordered and delivered to the customer.

They ordered over 4000 RTX 3070s, but have only received 106 units, with another 185 units that are on their way to the retailer.

 

The numbers are linked below in the sources.

 

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Proshop ordered 4,280 RTX 3070 units from various vendors including Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte. But as of Monday, it’s only received 106 units, or about 2.5 percent of the requested inventory. Another 185 units are on the way. But unless manufacturing goes into hyperdrive, the retailer’s stock of RTX 3070s will be paltry when the cards go on sale on Oct. 29. 

 

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My thoughts

Is there much to say here? It's obvious that Nvidia has issues to supply their AIBs with chips and this really just shows how bad it is.

For the 3080 it looks just as bad. Over 6000 cards have been ordered from the manufacturer and not even 500 of them have been delivered to the customers.

I also think that customer orders would be much more on the 3080 and 3090, if people were actually motivated to place orders. Without knowing a delivery date, I wouldn't want to place an order myself.

 

 

Sources

https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/129444/nvidia-rtx-3070-cards-still-in-short-supply-at-least-according-to-this-retailer

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview

 


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This isn't an issue.

 

It's an outright fraudulent launch.  You cannot consider 106 of 4000 units (2.65%) fulfillment rate an "issue".  They outright lied about this and catfished the hype.

 

Do me a favor, get married and fulfil 2.65% of your wife's needs.

 

Let me know how that goes.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Summary

Proshop, a large danish retailer, released their numbers on how many NVidia 30-series cards have been sold, ordered and delivered to the customer.

They ordered over 4000 RTX 3070s, but have only received 106 units, with another 185 units that are on their way to the retailer.

 

The numbers are linked below in the sources.

 

 

My thoughts

Is there much to say here? It's obvious that Nvidia has issues to supply their AIBs with chips and this really just shows how bad it is.

For the 3080 it looks just as bad. Over 6000 cards have been ordered from the manufacturer and not even 500 of them have been delivered to the customers.

I also think that customer orders would be much more on the 3080 and 3090, if people were actually motivated to place orders. Without knowing a delivery date, I wouldn't want to place an order myself.

 

 

Sources

https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/129444/nvidia-rtx-3070-cards-still-in-short-supply-at-least-according-to-this-retailer

https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview

It really just shows how badly they guessed the amount of cards needed. Probably based of the 2000 series which didn't exactly have the biggest launch especially in the high end. Oh well hopefully next time they will be better prepared but I see this same problem still exist for the 3060 and 3050 when those eventually come around.

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Just now, jaslion said:

It really just shows how badly they guessed the amount of cards needed. Probably based of the 2000 series which didn't exactly have the biggest launch especially in the high end. Oh well hopefully next time they will be better prepared but I see this same problem still exist for the 3060 and 3050 when those eventually come around.

What were the 2000 series numbers for their launch to compare?

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2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

What were the 2000 series numbers for their launch to compare?

I don't think we ever got numbers only percentages. If I remember correctly the launch month had only 20 something percent of sales compared to the 1080 and such.

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Interestingly, I'm pretty sure nVidia planned on this product being a compensating measure for the relatively low sales numbers of the 2000 series.  Evidenced by the lower price point and the strong comparative to the Pascal series of cards in their presentations.

My personal belief is that they're all sandbagging until AMD shows their hand with Navi and then they'll either use the chips for more 3800/3900s or re-tool and price adjust to use those same chips for 20GB cards.  In any case, there's no way this demand is a surprise to nVidia... this is exactly what they wanted to move the volume they desired.  They just weren't counting on AMD possibly poisoning their strategy with a competitive product.

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27 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

Manufacturing problems or under estimate of demand?

As with everything this year, its gotta be a mix of both - but heavily skewed towards the enormous spike in demand. Y'see it everywhere. 

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30 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

Manufacturing problems or under estimate of demand?

I want to say human malware... but more and more, its obvious they under scaled demand planning and the Samsung yields thing is really showing nvidia's behind right now.  

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1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

You cannot consider 106 of 4000 units (2.65%) fulfillment rate an "issue".

At this point you can bet every seller is gaming the system to improve their chances of getting more cards, such as ordering more than they would otherwise. Pretty much every card is a guaranteed sale. If product is on allocation, they'll want the best share possible, and may try to do so by placing bigger orders.

 

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

What were the 2000 series numbers for their launch to compare?

GN did cover this topic, and my memory isn't 100% so it could be reviewed for more exact wording, but the overall statement was that Ampere launch quantity was comparable to Turing launch quantity.

 

2 minutes ago, Shizzmoney said:

I want to say human malware... but more and more, its obvious they under scaled demand planning and the Samsung yields thing is really showing nvidia's behind right now.  

Every now and then someone throws out "Samsung yield" but I've yet to see even the faintest hint of anything credible behind it. Please do give links if you have any.

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16 minutes ago, Shizzmoney said:

I want to say human malware... but more and more, its obvious they under scaled demand planning and the Samsung yields thing is really showing nvidia's behind right now.  

Yeah I think it's probably because of human malware, and Nvidia way under scaled demand because I've heard reviewers mention that Nvidia only started 30 series production a month before launch, I'm curious where the Samsung yields came from but it does make sense because of how power hungry the 30 series cards are.

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My guess is that they knew when the new AMD cards was going to release, and wanted to release cards before AMD, so they went with it even if they had few cards/chips.

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185 units for the new batch. Is this a joke? LMAO

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On 10/22/2020 at 1:05 AM, porina said:

Every now and then someone throws out "Samsung yield" but I've yet to see even the faintest hint of anything credible behind it. Please do give links if you have any.

It's always fun to see people who has 0 knowledge or information about production, supply chains and semiconductor manufacturing make wild claims with 0 evidence.

The entire 30 series launch is just a shit-show of fanboys trying to spin numbers in some way to make their favorite company seem good, and/or a company they dislike seem bad.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

185 units for the new batch. Is this a joke? LMAO

Can you please tell me how many cards Proshop got for some other graphics card or do you just assume that 185 units is low?

For all we know, 185 units might be really low, or it might actually be way above what a normal batch is. Maybe a normal batch is like 20 cards? We don't know how often batches are delivered, nor do we know what a typical batch number is. Hell, we don't even know how big Proshop is.

 

Proshop might be a little shop that usually only request 10 cards because they don't sell that much.

But Proshop might also be massive and regularly order 4000 cards.

 

Without any historical information, these numbers are fairly meaningless.

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On 10/22/2020 at 1:18 AM, Blademaster91 said:

Nvidia way under scaled demand because I've heard reviewers mention that Nvidia only started 30 series production a month before launch

1) Source?

2) How long before launch do companies usually start production?

 

Without this info, your statement is just an assumption based on a rumor.

 

 

On 10/22/2020 at 1:18 AM, Blademaster91 said:

I'm curious where the Samsung yields came from but it does make sense because of how power hungry the 30 series cards are.

Yields and power consumption are not relatable.

Something can have really low yields and be really power efficient, and something can be power hungry and have bad yields.

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On 10/21/2020 at 11:14 PM, jaslion said:

Oh well hopefully next time they will be better prepared but I see this same problem still exist for the 3060 and 3050 when those eventually come around.

Why would they want to? A high rarity at launch makes headlines and everyone thinking the product is rare and valuable and this impression will stay in people‘s minds even when they are producing enough.

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On 10/22/2020 at 1:18 AM, Blademaster91 said:

I'm curious where the Samsung yields came from but it does make sense because of how power hungry the 30 series cards are.

Nvidia went just all in with RTX 3000. they wanted a high performance uplift compared to RTX3000 and weren’t able to achieve it with just a node change and keeping the max powerlimits of their last generation. So they also increased the power of the GPUs.

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On 10/22/2020 at 12:05 AM, porina said:

At this point you can bet every seller is gaming the system to improve their chances of getting more cards, such as ordering more than they would otherwise. Pretty much every card is a guaranteed sale. If product is on allocation, they'll want the best share possible, and may try to do so by placing bigger orders.

 

GN did cover this topic, and my memory isn't 100% so it could be reviewed for more exact wording, but the overall statement was that Ampere launch quantity was comparable to Turing launch quantity.

 

Every now and then someone throws out "Samsung yield" but I've yet to see even the faintest hint of anything credible behind it. Please do give links if you have any.

gn was the only ones claiming that supply was close to fine, everyone else doesn't seem to agree though

its anecdotal but it seem to me like while there is higher demand than usual, the bigger issue is supply that is way too small.

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The demand is extremely high,launch should be delayed until there is enough stock to meet demand.

We all know that when demand is high and supply is low - the value in the market skyrockets.

Expect higher prices than MSRP on the second hand market and resellers trying to capitalize on the high value of the card in the market.

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18 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

gn was the only ones claiming that supply was close to fine, everyone else doesn't seem to agree though

They didn't say everything was fine, they said Ampere unit availability was comparable to Turing with more on the way. I think everyone agrees that supply is far below demand, the difference being how they express it.

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

1) Source?

I recall in the GN video it was stated card production started in August, which would be the month before launch. I don't see a problem with that in itself.

 

We don't know what the constraints on production were or still are. Production quantities could be scaled up, but sourcing of additional components (beyond previous plans) is not trivial. If it is the GPU itself there is no quick fix. It might be as simple that the capacity to make GPUs is the constraint, and that doesn't need unfounded yield speculation to be the case. Again, this is not something you can quickly change. Contracts will be signed many months in advance, and you can't just magic up extras at short notice. Anything you do to increase manufacturing capacity beyond longer term plans will generally come at increased cost. So if you do that, everyone will complain about higher pricing than expected. Even moving the units will fall under that. Economic (slower) shipping methods will be planned, but if you want to get stock around faster, you pay more for air. Someone is going to have to pay for that.

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1 hour ago, porina said:

I recall in the GN video it was stated card production started in August,

From what I remember GN talked about partners starting production for the AIB cards a month before release. I don't think Nvidia started their production in August.
But I might be misremembering, it's been a while.

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On 10/21/2020 at 4:14 PM, Dedayog said:

This isn't an issue.

 

It's an outright fraudulent launch.  You cannot consider 106 of 4000 units (2.65%) fulfillment rate an "issue".  They outright lied about this and catfished the hype.

 

Do me a favor, get married and fulfil 2.65% of your wife's needs.

 

Let me know how that goes.

 

 

It's NVIDIA what did you expect? With marketing like the more you buy the more you save. Or using relative RT flops for performance metrics. I don't think the 3000 series will ever be in stock by the time the new cards roll out. I also have a hunch all the extra added hardware bits to help with ray tracing make yields much lower. So if AMD can simply have stock they will sell more lol

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