You're gonna be waiting for a bit - AMD R5 5600 Rumored to arrive next year

[williamcll]

To the disappointment to some users, lower clocked models of Zen 3 CPUs were not announced last week, however, rumors from Korean sites have hinted that they might come out at a later date.

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According to the rumor, AMD would launch its Ryzen 5 5600 non-X processor, likely to feature 6 cores and 12 threads, in 2021. The launch would come at the same time as AMD officially launches the AGESA firmware update for its X470/B450 motherboard with Zen3 processor support. Additionally, a price of 220 USD is mentioned, which is an increase of 20 USD compared to Ryzen 5 3600. This is also 80 USD less than the already announced Ryzen 5 5600X. The x600 series have been a very popular choice among gamers, who would rather spend more money on GPUs rather than CPUs, which do not really improve performance as much as the graphics cards.

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-5600-could-launch-in-2021-at-220-usd

Thoughts: Considering the binning process, I'm pretty sure the 5600 is certainly going to come out later. But at the same time I am also wondering will there be new variants that the 3000 series didn't carry, like a non-X R9 5950.

[AldiPrayogi]

Pretty good for the ones wanting to upgrade from 2000/3000 series

[ravenshrike]

At a guess most of the 'lesser' cores that would normally become the low end 6 cores are going to the PS5 and XBSeX because they run just fine capped at those lower speeds.

[hollyh88]

Sad there is no news about the 5700x or if it even will come.. kinda shitty that amd forces you to now either buy the high end x parts  (5800x is just a 5700x). Or wait several months.. think imma get the 3800x for cheap or 3800xt since they sometimes can be had for around the same price anyway these days with sales. 

[Fasauceome]

How different is this from the previous gen? Did we get all products available at launch?

 

We had to wait quite a while for the 3300X and 3100.

Edited October 14, 2020 by Fasauceome

[TetraSky]

10 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

Sad there is no news about the 5700x or if it even will come.. kinda shitty that amd forces you to now either buy the high end x parts  (5800x is just a 5700x). Or wait several months.. think imma get the 3800x for cheap or 3800xt since they sometimes can be had for around the same price anyway these days with sales. 

Isn't that how it always is?

Companies will usually launch their "flagship" product(s) and then release their lower tier later down the line.

[Moonzy]

tbh for a moment i thought R5 5600 was a GPU

 

... i can see this being confusing already

 

but yea, lower end parts come at a later date, gotta squeeze out that sweet profit margin first

[spartaman64]

4 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

tbh for a moment i thought R5 5600 was a GPU

 

... i can see this being confusing already

 

but yea, lower end parts come at a later date, gotta squeeze out that sweet profit margin first

same i was thinking dont they already have an rx 5600xt

i hope they dont release a r5 5600xt later

[VeganJoy]

as someone who buys used a lot, its hard to justify getting any of these at these prices. i got my 3600 for 130 bucks, and a 3900x for 310, and 3700xs go for ~230-250. huge markup to go up to zen 3... chances are that i can just stick with my 3600 for a while, as i'm at 1440p

[ewitte]

At this point I would go with 3600(x)/3700(x)/5900x/5950x depending on your needs.

[schwellmo92]

1 hour ago, ravenshrike said:

At a guess most of the 'lesser' cores that would normally become the low end 6 cores are going to the PS5 and XBSeX because they run just fine capped at those lower speeds.

I thought consoles were Zen 2 not Zen 3.

[cj09beira]

1 hour ago, ravenshrike said:

At a guess most of the 'lesser' cores that would normally become the low end 6 cores are going to the PS5 and XBSeX because they run just fine capped at those lower speeds.

consoles use a monolithic apu, they dont have a separate cpu.

59 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

How different is this from the previous gen? Did we get all products available at launch?

 

We had to wait quite a while for the 3300X and 3100.

last time although the lower end parts were only on sale quite a bit later on (2 weeks a month dont remember right) they were announced along with the high end ones, this time amd omitted them entirely, some people are not even sure if they will launch them or not

[dizmo]

Eh, not surprising, and honestly I don't see it being that cheap. I imagine they'll price it at $249, otherwise the lower end one looks far too enticing.

 

55 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

as someone who buys used a lot, its hard to justify getting any of these at these prices. i got my 3600 for 130 bucks, and a 3900x for 310, and 3700xs go for ~230-250. huge markup to go up to zen 3... chances are that i can just stick with my 3600 for a while, as i'm at 1440p

I mean, when you're comparing used prices to new you'll always think they're far too high.

[porina]

3 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

How different is this from the previous gen? Did we get all products available at launch?

 

We had to wait quite a while for the 3300X and 3100.

1600, 2600, 3600 were all available at launch of their generation. I know, as that's when I bought them.

[Mateyyy]

Can't wait for them to release the 5600XT!

Oh, wait, they already have.

Oh, wait.

[progamer21]

3 hours ago, williamcll said:

To the disappointment to some users, lower clocked models of Zen 3 CPUs were not announced last week, however, rumors from Korean sites have hinted that they might come out at a later date.

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-5600-could-launch-in-2021-at-220-usd

Thoughts: Considering the binning process, I'm pretty sure the 5600 is certainly going to come out later. But at the same time I am also wondering will there be new variants that the 3000 series didn't carry, like a non-X R9 5950.

TY im going to buy the 5600x with the 3070 good to know but THE 5600 WILL BE AVAILABLE IN 2021 LIKE TH

[hollyh88]

3 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Isn't that how it always is?

Companies will usually launch their "flagship" product(s) and then release their lower tier later down the line.

no they usually came together

[hollyh88]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

I mean, when you're comparing used prices to new you'll always think they're far too high.

true hes doing that wrong however.. comparing them to msrp prices.. eh no he is right.
100 for the 200 msrp of the 3600 to the 5600x 
120 for the 330msrp of the 3700x to the 3800x

and yes. these are the "lower" end models but as bench marks have shown. they are both the same as their counter part (aka 3600 and 3600x and the 3700x and 3800x)
prices are through the roof this time around. at greedy level even. which is a dumb thing. i am still amazed that companies just dont get that if you place your product at a reasonable price people will be happy and your sales go up. its so basic and easy

[justpoet]

4 hours ago, williamcll said:

Thoughts: Considering the binning process, I'm pretty sure the 5600 is certainly going to come out later. But at the same time I am also wondering will there be new variants that the 3000 series didn't carry, like a non-X R9 5950.

I wouldn't expect a non-X variant of any two chiplet chip.  It wouldn't make sense for them to do.

The 5950 is the flagship for desktop, the 5900 is the lower binned version of it with cores fused off.

Then you have good and middle bin chips for for the 3800/3700 lineup right now, but they only have 1 of those in the 5800.

 

What makes the most sense is black friday sales, then a return to not quite full msrp launch price.  That would let them cash in on all the "I want it now" people, pick up the value people who see large discounts, and then return to being good value while still raising prices a reasonable amount.

 

This is their later/last use of 7nm, so the yields should be great and binning should be minimal.  As a result, they don't have a need to push out the low end chips at low prices and mass volume like they did at the first release of the 3000 series.  I expect a budget option to show up, because they need a chip to compete there that is "current" and they will eventually have more of those low binned chiplets to use, but I would suggest that instead of that being a 3600 equivalent, it would be used in the G series with lower clocks for lower heat and a GPU chiplet.  You can see that strategy already playing out with the 4300/4600/4700 and Athlon APUs, which is what I would expect more of here.  If RDNA2 is used with the 8 core design, it could possibly make single chip small form factor computing competitive for gaming with just about anything, even AAA, as long as it stuck to 1080p.  I don't think they have a reason to do that though, since it would cut into their own graphics department's sales and they don't need to hammer intel harder than they already are.

 

I would expect to see the lower end nonX lines return with their first 5nm Zen4 based CPUs, whenever those happen, which will also be on a newer architecture and process node.  That will allow for full stack current motherboard/IO and also binning of the IO for what they want to support through the stack as well if needed.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

4 hours ago, ravenshrike said:

At a guess most of the 'lesser' cores that would normally become the low end 6 cores are going to the PS5 and XBSeX because they run just fine capped at those lower speeds.

but the XBSeX/S has a 8 core.....

[justpoet]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

but the XBSeX/S has a 8 core.....

Those are also custom silicon, and I don't believe chiplet.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

6 minutes ago, justpoet said:

Those are also custom silicon, and I don't believe chiplet.

IK, i was responding to ravenshrike, who said the xsx has a 6 core. 

Congrats on 1k btw

[LAwLz]

5600 for 220 dollars would be great. If even say too good to be true. My guess is that it will be more like 250 dollars if they release it at all. 

[ravenshrike]

1 hour ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

but the XBSeX/S has a 8 core.....

 

1 hour ago, justpoet said:

Those are also custom silicon, and I don't believe chiplet.

Didn't know they were a custom setup, as for being an 8 core, it is entirely possible to have a chip that will hit 3.6 in 8 cores but only break 4 in 6 and for a chip maker to then bin it for 6. In which case I'm betting the shortfall is due to increased demand from OEMs

[Energycore]

Early adopter tax makes sense here, since it's a new node and that means low yields. Maybe I wait til the 5600 then interesting.