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What can Facebook do to me? Privacy Inquiries

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I've been looking at getting a VR headset, and the new oculus looking kind of neat.

But since it requires a FB account login, people are avoiding it.

 

I've heard about Facebook being an "evil company", but never really understood why fully.

They use and sell your data, but why is that a bad thing? Are there other things I'm not aware of?

 

Why is collecting my data and offering me something I'm interested in a bad thing?

ie, I've been looking for a RTX2080ti, and FB shows me a listing that is cheaper than I would otherwise find, saving me money.

 

Why is using my personal info to train AI a bad thing? Isn't scientific progress a good thing?

 

I would like to understand the risks of having a FB account, and what it can do to me before I go ahead with the purchase.

I've done some reading beforehand, but I'm too layman in these stuffs so I would like someone to dumb it down for me.

 

or if there are better value headsets compared to the Oculus Quest 2, do let me know

I like the 1 type-C connection of it, and intend to use it for PC VR

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If you create a Facebook account solely for the purpose of using an Oculus Quest 2, the only information they'll get from you is what you do with your Oculus Quest 2.. You can create the account on a phone app, then delete the app.  Or clear browser history/cookies after doing it from a PC.  The only risk aside from data collection is if you start adding friends and family and they start posting tons of stuff that you don't want in your life.  

 

Edit; My source is years of personal experience.

 

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Just now, si1enze said:

If you create a Facebook account solely for the purpose of using an Oculus Quest 2, the only information they'll get from you is what you do with your Oculus Quest 2..

I plan on using my real facebook account, but I've been filtering friends (those who havent had any interactions with me within ~2 years gets the boot)

as the TnC stated that using a burner account might get you banned, which will make you lose all your oculus contents.

 

1 minute ago, si1enze said:

Or clear browser history/cookies after doing it from a PC.

yes I've read about them being able to track what I do on my PC by cookies

but I don't understand why I should make a big fuss about it.

 

Why is data collection a bad thing?

 

2 minutes ago, si1enze said:

The only risk aside from data collection is if you start adding friends and family and they start posting tons of stuff that you don't want in your life.  

good point, and I've seen articles on the psychological impact of FB on modern society

but the only thing I use FB for is messenger to keep in touch with some friends, I don't browse the activity feed, so I should be fine in this regard.

But I'll keep this in mind.

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none atm

 

I hate Intel's pricing, Ryzen's weird quirks, Nvidia's pricing, and Radeon GPUs in general

 

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Companies I absolutely adore: (and hope it stays that way)

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Corsair - very good RMA experience, absolutely recommend

 

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Acer: shit tier quality products, shit tier customer service thus far, they "tried" to solve my issue but they arent really doing anything but delaying and delaying. (on-going case since July)

Gigabyte: horrible customer service (gigabyte had literally 0 customer service, asked me to go to retailer with NO WAY to email them about a question) but at least they fixed my shit in ONE MONTH (would probably take me 1 hour to fix if they let me email them)

XiaoMi Phones: built like a tank but the software is buggy as all hell

Seagate HDD: had too many dead seagate drives

Kingston SSD: 300V controller swap thingy

Razer (except their mouse)

 

Remember, just because I had good/bad experiences with these companies/product, doesn't mean you will have similar experiences too. I would still recommend these products if they made sense for your needs, but I'll add a disclaimer of my experience if it's relevant. Feel free to DM me asking why they are where they are.

 

 

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Ah, I haven't read into the Eula/ToS for it.  I don't have a problem with Facebook collecting data on me, like you said, what are they doing to do, offer something I already want at a cheaper price?  Oh noooo. I brought that up assuming you were worried about the last part you replied to, about people flooding your feed with a bunch of stuff you don't care to look at.  Yep that is how I mostly use Facebook as well.  I'm friends with a Lot more friends and family than I actually "Follow" so their posts don't show up in my feed.

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It can be bad as facebook typically associates with shady companies , not face book itself. 

So say you liked a certain type of product , face book could promote companies that offer that product on their site , which you seem to not mind. However , companies that are mostly scams or purposefully looking to just get your credit card info will also advertise on facebook. An example would be a ad pretending to be amazon/ebay ect..... that you click on and asks you to log in before buying which would send your log in data to a 3rd party.

Thats just a mild example and maybe you are well aware of that. However with such a large amount of people training AI's from both facebook and 3rd parties it makes it FAR easier to figure out what ads , whats aps , and what methods can be used to fool people who normally are not fooled.

So mostly it's the 3rd parties and companies facebook associates with that you should be worried about and not really facebook itself.

 

32 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Isn't scientific progress a good thing?

Depends who benefits from it

an example could be the science behind curing disease , or the science behind what prevents a gambling addict from leaving a casino

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To be honest, anyone who says Facebook is evil, but uses any of Google's services, is just a hypocrite. They are no worse than all the other tech giants who collect info to sell to advertisers or third parties. They all do.

 

What I'm guessing is one of the main issues, is the fact that the Oculus Quest 1, 2 & Rift S, have cameras on the headset, so they are afraid Facebook would literally be spying on people in their home?

 

Honestly, even if they say it's against their terms, there's nothing stopping people from using a "burner account". If they ever "ban" the account, they will likely be demanding some kind of ID proof instead of outright banning it. They certainly did for me a while back when I made my FB account.

Such an ID is easily forged and they don't care enough to really check whether or not it's legit. The fact they aren't a gov entity, means they don't actually have access to any means of verifying whether or not an ID is legit (just blur out any of the personally identifying numbers, have it show your name and picture, that's all).

 

That, but also with Oculus Link or with Virtual Desktop/ALVR (wireless), you could literally just buy your VR games on Steam instead of the Oculus Store if you're so scared if getting the account banned.

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3 minutes ago, emosun said:

the science behind curing disease

I guess this compared to the science behind using a certain disease as a biological weapon, which is definitely something we don't want.

 

The point about training AI to trick people who wouldn't fall for scams otherwise is interesting, though it's the first time I hear about it. Sounds plausible though.

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Well, yeah.. Facebook isn't a trusted news source or a thing that you should Ever log into a different entity with.

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2 minutes ago, si1enze said:

Facebook isn't a trusted news source

I don't think anyone ever argued that Facebook was a trusted news source or not.

Also got nothing to do with privacy.

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1 minute ago, Energycore said:

The point about training AI to trick people who wouldn't fall for scams otherwise is interesting, though it's the first time I hear about it. Sounds plausible though.

All you are doing by not being fooled by one method , is teaching the AI what exactly doesn't work on the smartest of people.

You are progressively moving yourself through large groups and sample sizes of people that they can constantly try new methods on. And the more and more you use facebook , the more and more information they have to work with to create the perfect method to fool even the most savy of people.

Machine learning is cool like that. We think it's catering to only the weak minded but through sheer data and sample sizes it will learn exactly what YOU want too. lol

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5 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

I don't think anyone ever argued that Facebook was a trusted news source or not.

Also got nothing to do with privacy.

No, but there are way too many people in this world that take all they see on FB without a grain of salt.  

 

I'd be more worried about the possible manipulation of said cameras in the devices being exploited by other devices on the network infected with spyware/whatever with such intentions..

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10 minutes ago, si1enze said:

 

I'd be more worried about the possible manipulation of said cameras in the devices being exploited by other devices on the network infected with spyware/whatever with such intentions..

Hmmm... Could be a worthy worry. But then again, I doubt anyone leaves their VR headset ON at all time. So it would only be whenever it's in use.

It's also just an Android based device (The Quest 2 anyway, not the Rift S), so if you don't do shady things with it, don't allow third party install or anything like that, you're unlikely to catch anything on it.

I haven't heard of a spyware that can go from a Windows PC to android on the same network. Or from Android to another Android... I don't think there's any remote access exploit right now? Beside, with wifi devices isolation, it shouldn't be that hard to counter.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

as the TnC stated that using a burner account might get you banned

Why though? I mean they shouldn't be allowed to enforce you to use your real name/data to use a simple PC peripheral that shouldn't need any constant internet connection at all to function in the first place, drivers and firmware can be updated by using software and an USB port, just like certain high end keyboards or mice.

 

The way I see it facebook (and others too) mine your data not only from what you type on the internet but also by collecting voice samples, pictures and video recordings of the interior of your house for example, if you have a 'smart' device your data is being collected, you agree to it by accepting the ToS and privacy policy. 

But in the end it's up to you to use or avoid X service or product, some people have certain psychological traits that make them more susceptible to marketing tactics or having their thoughts.... influenced while others simply don't, I believe it was a big deal in the US because some people said the elections results were influenced by social media and if it wasn't because of social media another candidate would've won.

 

me? I'm part of the second group, the ones that don't get affected by media, marketing campaigns, propaganda, etc., this is good but has some downsides in the eyes of companies or the society, for a company I'm not a potential customer and no matter how many ads I watch I won't get a product if I don't think it's useful or worth the price, and for society I'm not gullible and my thoughts about certain topics will always remain the same independently of the current ideological trends, basically what you could call a conservative, word which is, unfortunately being widely used to depict someone that's bad or against what the current morality standards state as good.

 

Anyway, Facebook by itself can't do anything to you, unless you allow it, yes they'll try to trick you into giving away more data in exchange for better or easier to use features, like audio messages or video calls, but after all:

 

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I always make the comparison of throwing a cigarette butt on the ground. If only one person does it it's not enough to change anything. If everyone is doing it then the amount of garbage grows to an insane level and also there's a much bigger chance of someone starting a fire. It's the same with data collecting companies. On an individual level you are mostly safe, but the fact that there are billions of users that are constantly feeding this AI information about their daily habits, where they're going and how they're conducting their lives can be used in all kinds of malicious ways from targeted advertisement towards children or even adults that's not good for their mental and in some cases physical health (pushing fast food ads for example) to flat out manipulation of elections paid by the highest bidder. We can dive deep into conspiracy theories but I'm not a tin foil hat type of guy. For me I simply stopped using facebook because it became the defacto asylum of insane people and it somehow managed to lose even the few things that actually made it great. Them not collecting my data was just a bonus.

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2 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Hmmm... Could be a worthy worry. But then again, I doubt anyone leaves their VR headset ON at all time. So it would only be whenever it's in use.

It's also just an Android based device (The Quest 2 anyway, not the Rift S), so if you don't do shady things with it, don't allow third party install or anything like that, you're unlike to catch anything on it.

I haven't heard of a spyware that can go from a Windows PC to android on the same network. Or from Android to another Android... I don't think there's any remote access exploit right now? Beside, with wifi devices isolation, it shouldn't be that hard to counter.

 

 

I agree.  I was just thinking worse-case scenario.  Like a possible backdoor locally installed or remotely through some devious means.. 

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59 minutes ago, emosun said:

However , companies that are mostly scams or purposefully looking to just get your credit card info will also advertise on facebook.

hmm... yea i've been phished before, valid concern

but this can occur anywhere, not just facebook

 

59 minutes ago, emosun said:

Depends who benefits from it

fair point

 

54 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

To be honest, anyone who says Facebook is evil, but uses any of Google's services, is just a hypocrite. They are no worse than all the other tech giants who collect info to sell to advertisers or third parties. They all do.

that's what i thought, and yet people have been harsh towards facebook

but that doesnt make them any better, though

 

54 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

What I'm guessing is one of the main issues, is the fact that the Oculus Quest 1, 2 & Rift S, have cameras on the headset, so they are afraid Facebook would literally be spying on people in their home?

this is a valid concern, and I plan to cover it with a cloth, just like my webcam, when not in use

 

54 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Honestly, even if they say it's against their terms, there's nothing stopping people from using a "burner account". If they ever "ban" the account, they will likely be demanding some kind of ID proof instead of outright banning it. They certainly did for me a while back when I made my FB account.

Such an ID is easily forged and they don't care enough to really check whether or not it's legit. The fact they aren't a gov entity, means they don't actually have access to any means of verifying whether or not an ID is legit (just blur out any of the personally identifying numbers, have it show your name and picture, that's all).

 

That, but also with Oculus Link or with Virtual Desktop/ALVR (wireless), you could literally just buy your VR games on Steam instead of the Oculus Store if you're so scared if getting the account banned.

yes i'll most likely buy my games on steam and have minimal things on oculus account

but it's still less hassle to just use my real account if there's no downsides to it, thus why this thread.

 

39 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Hmmm... Could be a worthy worry. But then again, I doubt anyone leaves their VR headset ON at all time. So it would only be whenever it's in use.

It does have a battery, and it is a valid concern since afaik, there's no hardwired indication that the cameras are running or not.

 

38 minutes ago, Caroline said:

Why though? I mean they shouldn't be allowed to enforce you to use your real name/data to use a simple PC peripheral that shouldn't need any constant internet connection at all to function in the first place, drivers and firmware can be updated by using software and an USB port, just like certain high end keyboards or mice.

it'll probably benefit them to collect my data, that's probably why it's cheap anyways, since they can benefit from other aspects.

 

35 minutes ago, Tanaz said:

On an individual level you are mostly safe, but the fact that there are billions of users that are constantly feeding this AI information about their daily habits, where they're going and how they're conducting their lives can be used in all kinds of malicious ways from targeted advertisement towards children or even adults that's not good for their mental and in some cases physical health (pushing fast food ads for example) to flat out manipulation of elections paid by the highest bidder.

hmm... so the point is it can affect me in a round-a-bout way, and not directly, unless I'm easily influenced.

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I hate Intel's pricing, Ryzen's weird quirks, Nvidia's pricing, and Radeon GPUs in general

 

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Products I like:

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Sony Xperia Z1 / Z2 / 10 ii, Asus Strix 970 / 1070, Samsung SSD, WD HDD, Corsair PSUs (AX, RM, CX(grey)), GeForce GPU, NZXT N450/S340, be quiet! Coolers, G.Skill Trident RAM, Logitech M525, Logitech G440, Razer Deathadder Elite

 

Products I hate:

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Xperia Z3, XiaoMi 5c, Radeon GPUs, Razer Audio Products, any bloatwares

 

Companies I absolutely adore: (and hope it stays that way)

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be quiet! - sent me AM4 mounting for my DRP3 even though it's way past the timeframe stated, no questions asked

Corsair - very good RMA experience, absolutely recommend

 

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Gigabyte: horrible customer service (gigabyte had literally 0 customer service, asked me to go to retailer with NO WAY to email them about a question) but at least they fixed my shit in ONE MONTH (would probably take me 1 hour to fix if they let me email them)

XiaoMi Phones: built like a tank but the software is buggy as all hell

Seagate HDD: had too many dead seagate drives

Kingston SSD: 300V controller swap thingy

Razer (except their mouse)

 

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1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

this is a valid concern, and I plan to cover it with a cloth, just like my webcam, when not in use

If the cam has an integrated mic it'll still work, I mean if you're really paranoid or simply care about your privacy you can unplug the webcam from your PC whenever you're not using it, that's what I do at least, you know, just in case.

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6 hours ago, Moonzy said:

I plan on using my real facebook account, but I've been filtering friends (those who havent had any interactions with me within ~2 years gets the boot)

as the TnC stated that using a burner account might get you banned, which will make you lose all your oculus contents.

 

yes I've read about them being able to track what I do on my PC by cookies

but I don't understand why I should make a big fuss about it.

 

Why is data collection a bad thing?

 

good point, and I've seen articles on the psychological impact of FB on modern society

but the only thing I use FB for is messenger to keep in touch with some friends, I don't browse the activity feed, so I should be fine in this regard.

But I'll keep this in mind.

Data collection may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what companies get their hands on your data. Facebook has been accused of some pretty shady stuff including selling personal user data to service providing corporations.

What this might mean (in an extreme case or maybe if companies like facebook aren't kept in check in the futute) is that say an insurance company that's looking to increase revenue might make a deal with Facebook and monitor your diet habits to calculate your health premium accordingly without your consent or knowledge. But again, this is only speculation, all of this to say that data collection can be misused in the wrong hands.

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6 hours ago, Moonzy said:

They use and sell your data, but why is that a bad thing? Are there other things I'm not aware of?

It can be bad for several reasons. Since a lot of them don't have anything to do with one another, but a lot of other ones do, it's kind of hard to summarize it.

 

Seeing ads for products you might like is not a big deal. People who say "but they sell your data so they can get targeted ads!" are scraping the bottom of the barrels to find reasons to dislike data collection, but it's the easiest and most demonstrable effect it can have. You no longer get "organic" ads but rather you get ads which are far more effective in trying to get you to buy something.

 

The bigger dangers are the ones that are harder to prove or might not be taking place yet. Let's say you live in the fictional country of LinusLand.

There is going to be an election in LinusLand soon and you are thinking of voting for Luke. He seems like he would be a good president and his values align with yours. However, the super popular social media site TwitGramTok, where you spend a lot of your time online, want Linus to win. TwitGramTokeven has so much data on the citizens of LinusLand that they can fairly accurately predict the outcome of the election before it has even happened and they know Linus is the least popular candidate.

 

So what will TwitGramTok do? If democracy runs it course, the candidate they want will not win. They can't let that happen, right? So what they could do is do an analysis of you, Moonzy, figure out exactly the reasons why you are going to vote for Luke, which news sources you trust, and so on. TwitGramTok probably knows you better than you do. With this information, they can start subtly feed you news (either fake news or carefully selected real news that don't show the full picture) which paints Luke as someone you don't agree with.

Both you and Luke like 80's synth music? Well TwitGramTok might carefully filter out news where Luke makes references to synth music from your feed and start pushing news where Luke talks about reggae music a lot more. All of a sudden you start to get the impression that Luke no longer likes synth music and instead likes reggea, which we all know is way worse. Right? Suddenly you might not like Luke as much because your view of him has changed. Now when you think of Luke you no longer picture that synth loving, NES carrying hunk of a man dressed in neon colors. You think of a pot smoking hippie with a big beanie hat. Not the kind of person you want for a president.

They can do this extremely subtly as well, even measuring how successful they are with changing your opinion based on your other Internet activities.

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Another reason to be worried would be like @Captain Picard said, the data collected could be used against you.

Do you like eating unhealthy food? Well your insurance company might get a hold of data that you fairly frequently visits fast food restaurants and all of a sudden label you as a health risk and increases your prices.

Did you talk to your friend about buying the next gen console using a payment plan? Well, TwitGramTok might know exactly how much you want that console based on browsing and conversational data, and a financing company with that info could gauge how much they could charge you for financing that console. With the data collected from TwitGramTok, you could be charged more for the same service because the company behind the service knows how much you want it and how much you can pay for it.

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If the cam has an integrated mic it'll still work, I mean if you're really paranoid or simply care about your privacy you can unplug the webcam from your PC whenever you're not using it, that's what I do at least, you know, just in case.

mmm, i dont mind audio but video is a bit much -shrug-

if they wanna hear my coughing, sure

 

1 hour ago, Captain Picard said:

Data collection may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what companies get their hands on your data. Facebook has been accused of some pretty shady stuff including selling personal user data to service providing corporations.

 

30 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Another reason to be worried would be like @Captain Picard said, the data collected could be used against you.

Do you like eating unhealthy food? Well your insurance company might get a hold of data that you fairly frequently visits fast food restaurants and all of a sudden label you as a health risk and increases your prices.

Did you talk to your friend about buying the next gen console using a payment plan? Well, TwitGramTok might know exactly how much you want that console based on browsing and conversational data, and a financing company with that info could gauge how much they could charge you for financing that console. With the data collected from TwitGramTok, you could be charged more for the same service because the company behind the service knows how much you want it and how much you can pay for it.

so basically, as long as i dont actually use facebook, only for oculus, i should be ok

unless they can gather some data to use against me by VR

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2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

so basically, as long as i dont actually use facebook, only for oculus, i should be ok

unless they can gather some data to use against me by VR

I don't even know if it's a problem even if you use Facebook. Like I said, it's those things that are hard to prove are even happening, and we don't know in what ways they use the data collected, or even what data is collected.

Maybe the police do or will start accessing Facebook data in the future? Something you said while gaming could be used against you in a court room. We just don't know.

 

Also, it's pretty much impossible to not use Facebook. Their services are integrated pretty much everywhere. It wasn't too long ago that it was discovered that apps with a "sign in with Facebook" option in them were sending data back to Facebook, by default. App developers didn't even know it was happening in a lot of cases. Based on the data collected Facebook could potentially link everything back to you too, even if you didn't sign in.

Even if you don't have a Facebook account, you're being tracked by Facebook. Facebook create "shadow profiles" based on you if you don't have a real account. 

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so after everyone's insight, it seems like i'll be fine as long as i only use it for oculus and not anything else other than messenger

 

but i'll keep an eye out for other potentially better headsets before i pull the trigger, still wanting low latency wireless if possible

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none atm

 

I hate Intel's pricing, Ryzen's weird quirks, Nvidia's pricing, and Radeon GPUs in general

 

Spoiler

 

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Sony Xperia Z1 / Z2 / 10 ii, Asus Strix 970 / 1070, Samsung SSD, WD HDD, Corsair PSUs (AX, RM, CX(grey)), GeForce GPU, NZXT N450/S340, be quiet! Coolers, G.Skill Trident RAM, Logitech M525, Logitech G440, Razer Deathadder Elite

 

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Xperia Z3, XiaoMi 5c, Radeon GPUs, Razer Audio Products, any bloatwares

 

Companies I absolutely adore: (and hope it stays that way)

Spoiler

be quiet! - sent me AM4 mounting for my DRP3 even though it's way past the timeframe stated, no questions asked

Corsair - very good RMA experience, absolutely recommend

 

Companies I hate:

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Nvidia, Intel, Apple, TMT (Thundermatch, a retailer)

 

Personal Blacklisted Companies:

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Acer: shit tier quality products, shit tier customer service thus far, they "tried" to solve my issue but they arent really doing anything but delaying and delaying. (on-going case since July)

Gigabyte: horrible customer service (gigabyte had literally 0 customer service, asked me to go to retailer with NO WAY to email them about a question) but at least they fixed my shit in ONE MONTH (would probably take me 1 hour to fix if they let me email them)

XiaoMi Phones: built like a tank but the software is buggy as all hell

Seagate HDD: had too many dead seagate drives

Kingston SSD: 300V controller swap thingy

Razer (except their mouse)

 

Remember, just because I had good/bad experiences with these companies/product, doesn't mean you will have similar experiences too. I would still recommend these products if they made sense for your needs, but I'll add a disclaimer of my experience if it's relevant. Feel free to DM me asking why they are where they are.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

but i'll keep an eye out for other potentially better headsets before i pull the trigger, still wanting low latency wireless if possible

There's the Vive Pro wireless adapter. Which cost even more than the Oculus Quest 2 by itself, without the headset.

But you're still limited to the area where you've set up your lightboxes, can't just walk around the house, use it in your living room, office and what not.

 

That said, I've personally ordered the Quest 2 on amazon. They say I should receive it on October 22. I'm guessing Prime Day pushed back every orders for non-prime users. But still worth it considering there's a return window of like 3 months with it. Plenty of time to use it and potentially see if the "next big thing" in VR is announced in time for the holidays.

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I got my Quest 2, quite enjoying it thus far.
Was thinking of getting Beat Saber, but 
a) The Oculus Quest version doesn't support custom songs/tracks. You need to mod it for that.

b) My PC's GPU is so old it doesn't support AMD's equivalent to NVEC, so I can't play PC vr games to it, be it through Link or wirelessly (and considering right now is the worst possible time to buy a new GPU... yeah).

 

So for now I'm playing moonrider.xyz, which is basically a free, online version of beat saber with 3 different options (punch, sabers and some other one I didn't check), on Firefox VR (Which does in fact, contrary to reviews on the oculus store, support WebXR API, for this game, and other, shall we say, "videos". I'm just surprised it also support extensions, so I got ublock on my VR headset too lol)

 

The controllers do get a bit slippery, but no issues as far as latency goes for me, the high resolution is quite enjoyable. Played about 45 minutes without any issues on my end, and this is basicaly my second time using a VR headset. Was expecting to get sick within 10 minutes like when I used the PSVR... I never did)

 

I ended up having to use the glasses spacer, even though I don't wear glasses, because it is genuinely better for my eyes. I felt like I was going to go crosseyed without it.

 

 

As for the facebook integration... Honestly, other than the login part, I don't see it. We can set custom usernames in the social apps (like Bigscreen) and what not and you can change the privacy settings to "only me" or "friends", etc.

That said, there are reports of people reactivating their old facebook accounts that they deleted long ago and linking them to their Quest... DON'T. Accounts that were deactivated long ago are as good as dead. Linking them will result in a paperweight/banned account. Reactivate the account, use it for a day or two if need be and then think about linking the Oculus to it if everything seems in order. Or create a new FB account instead of trying to revive a dead horse.

 

My only issue now, is that I feel a bit disconnected with reality... Like, is this real life? It's a strange feeling.

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