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As Star Citizen turns eight years old, the single-player campaign still sounds a long way off

2 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

I agree with the management but I think the main problem is their chosen Crytek engine.

 

Chris Roberts picked the engine for the visual fidelity but it is not suitable for a large MMO project. They had and still are in year eight rewriting the core engine. The engine is also large forgotten aside from Amazon and their trouble with it (they bought it and renamed it). This leads to a bad documentation and little support.

at the time there was no better engine for what they are trying to do, if they started today they would probably have gone with UE5, but that didn't exist, due to the scale of everything and the need for no load screens they have basically implemented most of UE5 features by themselves.

any engine they would have gotten would need lots of changes for it to be usable

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By the time it's anywhere near full launch it's going to be old-ass legacy crap.

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This is going to be the biggest class action lawsuit in history lol

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4 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

this has gotta be the greatest pyramid scam i've ever seen with extra steps to ensure its life

I'm not sure it qualifies as a pyramid scheme but it certainly has the makings of a scam at this point... it should have had an official launch years ago with a complete basic space sim experience, after that they could just add features progressively through updates. I don't think people would have minded if it had a subscription fee or a premium cosmetic economy to fund continued development if the studio actually delivered. This way they can get away with promising all sorts of features that may or may not ever be implemented while having an excuse for the game not actually being fully playable at any point.

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Meanwhile I just started Elite Dangerous and it's amazing!

 

Seriously though, people still defend this game?

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Funny I was having a chat with a few scrum masters and product owners in my group chat, and one of the gamers mentioned that Star Citizen is probably the world's longest running scrum project...

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I'm surprised a game that began sales at the height of the anti- Microtransaction jerk was as successful in scamming as many people as it was. The Drama on the subreddit is funny, seeing people refusing to admit they were duped.

Just remember: Random people on the internet ALWAYS know more than professionals, when someone's lying, AND can predict the future.

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lol

Anyone who dumps money into that game at this point is just throwing it away. Save it for the Steam Sale.

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This is why you give money after the developer is done making the game, NOT during the production of the game.

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No regrets. Still gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it already.

 

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9 hours ago, Mihle said:

 but they did not start the hole thing to scam people, if they had they wouldn't have gone so far they they have at this point.

 

Well, I don't think it was conceived to scam from the get go, planning on not delivering. However, I must disagree with the last bit, since the essence of Ponzi type of scams is to go as far as possible, so holding on to it wouldn't be a proof that it is not a scam - it could be just be proof of a successful scam. 

 

Personally, I see it more as a gaming Theranos: it started with the goal of actually doing something, but didn't shy away from promising whatever it takes to finance it, and expand the promises whenever more money was needed. 

 

It's a new concept: after market financing, bank financing, venture capital and crowdfunding we got ourselves hype-funding :D

 

 

 

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The thing is, even if this game gets done as they envision it to be, its not gonna be fun if that nut burger Chris Roberts really gets his way with it. There isn't one aspect of this game that isn't going to encompass your entire life for the sake of realism, from serving customers as a captain, hiring butlers, even having to shower, take a shit and piss. 🤣....This is what people are not getting, unless they remove Chris Roberts or something, the game is already fucked sideways. Check out the dev video below at the 38:00 mark.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, imreloadin said:

Meanwhile I just started Elite Dangerous and it's amazing!

 

Seriously though, people still defend this game?

can you buy *exclusive* jpeg pictures in Elite Dangerous?

 

 

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8 hours ago, BuckGup said:

This is going to be the biggest class action lawsuit in history lol

unfortunately there isn't really a reason to believe that, they have figured out the perfect scam, with the most gullible target possible, gamers.

 

 

If anything it will be the backers kids doing a class action suit... lol

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Anyone sane knew before the Kickstarter even ended that nothing would ever be completed with the project. The scope was too loose in definition and too large in scale. And we knew at the time that our computers aren't powerful enough for what was 'envisioned'.

 

10 hours ago, huilun02 said:

 

The game is too inaccessible for any of the stakeholders vision to be realized

  • Complexity - 6 axis of motion to control...

 

And here's the biggest reason why too. You can't have a massive, niche game. You can have one or the other. And it needs to be accessible to a large playerbase if you want it to be massive. Most people with a computer aren't going to build a flight sim rig or all of the hardware and panels associated with it.

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Pffff, you guys clearly weren't hyped for Duke Nukem Forever at the announcement in 1997 to be sourly disappointed by it when it released in 2011. 

 

Let vaporware be vaporware, nothing good will come out of this.

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1 minute ago, Spindel said:

Pffff, you guys clearly weren't hyped for Duke Nukem Forever at the announcement in 1997 to be sourly disappointed by it when it released in 2011. 

 

Let vaporware be vaporware, nothing good will come out of this.

I'm not a Duke Nukem fan, only played one of them a long time ago in the 90's but..........it really took that long to release? Holy shit!!! And people swear on their life that Star Citizen is not vaporware. 

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The guy who heads this had been criticized by employers for having a habit to allow scope creep to go up rapidly and endlessly. often he had to be reigned in. Now since he is the boss nobody can reign him in. Its hardly a surprise.

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9 hours ago, imreloadin said:

Meanwhile I just started Elite Dangerous and it's amazing!

 

Seriously though, people still defend this game?

oh you sweet summer child

 

 

elite has been the major time-sink of my life but after the devs repeatedly snubbed the community and consistently removed anything that was fun, or that you could do to earn a significant profit, then made their massively overdue fleet carriers a shambles that requires you to be chained to the game to pay for and use (just after gutting the mining system so you couldn't earn the requisite funds in a reasonable amount of time)... no.

 

 

have fun with it, but don't for a single minute think the devs care about the game any more than how much ARX they can get you to buy.

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15 hours ago, Nowak said:

The more I think about it the more I'm glad I never actually gave this game money.

Oh, it's not a game you'd have given your money to - until the promised game is released, this is nothing more than a ponzi scheme.

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but among posts about upcoming features for the main game were questions from clearly disgruntled fans who complained about the radio silence around Squadron 42

*clicks the link in the tweet and sees a video on squadron 42* yup, radio silence....

 

*checks his mail and finds an update mail on squadron 42 detailing the work on everything on the game* omg the radio silence is killing me!!!!!!!

 

What "fans" do these people keep talking about?

 

11 hours ago, Sauron said:

I'm not sure it qualifies as a pyramid scheme but it certainly has the makings of a scam at this point...

it has the MAKINGS of a scam after eight years? So they spend eight years spending 300+ million building studios and teams around the world building a game and after eight years they decided to say "fuck it, lets just scam people from now on" and assume the hundreds of people working for them go along and not tell anyone. With so many people there its impossible for everyone agreeing and not a single person getting out of there with proof of the scam.. so stop saying its a scam

 

11 hours ago, Sauron said:

it should have had an official launch years ago with a complete basic space sim experience, after that they could just add features progressively through updates. I don't think people would have minded if it had a subscription fee or a premium cosmetic economy to fund continued development if the studio actually delivered. This way they can get away with promising all sorts of features that may or may not ever be implemented while having an excuse for the game not actually being fully playable at any point.

You mean how the game works right now? You buy it and can go in-game a play a "basic space sim experience" plus a little extra, you can land on planets and space stations, walk around, do missions, mine and a whole lot of other things... is that what you mean? So the problem you have with it is not that it's not officially released.. the problem is the Alpha sticker they slapped on it.

Just so it's clear to everyone, can you explain (preferably in detail) what exactly "complete basic space sim experience" actually means?

 

3 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Most people with a computer aren't going to build a flight sim rig or all of the hardware and panels associated with it.

You don't need a flight sim rig for this game. It's perfectly playable with KB/M or a controller. A flight sim rig is only for a more immersive experience i guess. Btw are you saying ED or No Man's Sky don't have six axis motion control? You can only fly left and right? or only up and down? Why is it to complex now and not in the 80's and 90's with the first space flying games? Why was it not to complex for the original elite?

 

you people raze to many questions with ur weird arguments of why this game is a scam or never going to be released....

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It's not a scam.  There's a game or game components there, and backers can access them.  What's very arguable though is the level of feature creep, the definition of done which never seems to come, and how well it has been managed, but there's something there.  Its value can be contested.

 

I put in a bit because I've played most every Chris Roberts game growing up...but I also realize that this is also the person that lost a game development studio supposedly because of fund shifting from the studio towards the Wing Commander movie (or so the story goes).

 

Let's be honest, there are people that appreciate and enjoy it, and will probably feel the same way when (if ever) it is considered a full release.  It will never, ever live up to the hype that surrounded it the first couple of years of crowdfunding though.

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