RTX 3K card supply super low,+ Retailer stats.

[Adaa]

Summary

So they posted this a few days ago over on Guru3d, and i have not seen any major youtubers comment on it, or bring the news.

In my sources i added the original source, and the link that they used. 

 

The info is originated from a danish online retailer, that are one of the more popular hardware shops in Denmark.

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During the launch in the USA the seven or so primary retailers already mentioned they received like 100 cards each ... for launch. Now weeks later allocation of the cards still is pretty dramatic. just check with your local retailer and see the status of availability. That does make one wonder as to how many cards there are actually available worldwide? Well, so get a more clear picture on that, videocardz noticed some information from a Daning trailer. To date, he only has been able to fulfill 10% of the orders. 

This is why the amount ordered and requested seems a bit low. All tho considering it was this low it seems scalping at least at this store was not the major issue.

Rather the low amont of RTX 3080/3090 cards they recieved from board partners was.

 

Also, in case this was already posted somewhere i am very sry for the post. I tryed seaching for it, but couldnt find any news with that link to guru3d in it.

 

Also sry for bad gramma, i am not a native English speaker.

My thoughts

It looks a lot more like super low supply worldwide, than a major scalping problem.

Obviously that could be wrong since its only based on 1 Etailer/reseller. 

 

Sources

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-rtx-3080-and-3090-stock-allocations-are-unprecedented-low,4.html

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https://www.proshop.dk/RTX-30series-overview

[Pickles von Brine]

Jesus!  That is really bad. It basically was a paper launch if things are that bad. I was hearing rumors nividia only allocated a few thousand cards world wide and this almost feels like a confirmation. 

[Valentyn]

Well there was no restock on the UK NVIDIA site this week so far. Damn shame

 

[Jurrunio]

Have people not get used to this yet? Can't even recall when was the last major GPU launch without a significant supply issue.

[TetraSky]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Have people not get used to this yet? Can't even recall when was the last major GPU launch without a significant supply issue.

True enough.

That coupled with the entire global supply chain being disrupted by Covid, likely doesn't help.

Heck, not just graphic cards, even something like the Nintendo Switch, is a bit hard to come by in stores, too. It shows up every few days on Amazon according to Keepa, sometimes for a handful of hours, other times for 2 days, before they run out of stock for a couple days again.

[spartaman64]

great supply

[CTR640]

You people should get used to this bs. nVidia knew very well the RTX3080 is gonna be immensely popular and wanted. And the fucktards scalpers makes it even worse. So the best advice is: don't jump on the fucking hype-train and learn to be patient.

[Gamer Schnitzel]

No problem.

Looks like AMDs card matches 3080 performance so there is no need for anyone to buy the 3080 anyway.

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Have people not get used to this yet? Can't even recall when was the last major GPU launch without a significant supply issue.

This is worse than prior launches. MLID has said this is even worse than Radeon VII’s almost nonexistent launch.

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

This is worse than prior launches. MLID has said this is even worse than Radeon VII’s almost nonexistent launch.

because Radeon VII demand is also low? Also I've seen many wanting a Radeon VII just for collection purposes, which means they can wait.

[YubinTheBunny]

Yup, cancelled my memoryExpress order because of this. At this point it's probably smarter to wait and see what AMD is offering with big navi since the chance of a pleb like me getting a card before 2021 is probably nil.

[SFFDesigns]

BestBuy is your best hope guys.

 

I just got an FE from there (hoping for no cancel) and stock lasted a good 30 minutes!

[Adaa]

47 minutes ago, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

BestBuy is your best hope guys.

 

I just got an FE from there (hoping for no cancel) and stock lasted a good 30 minutes!

Here in Denmark theres no way to get a FE card besides from on Nvidias site, and we all know how that went for those trying to buy one there..

[Biotfanime]

7 minutes ago, Adaa said:

Here in Denmark theres no way to get a FE card besides from on Nvidias site, and we all know how that went for those trying to buy one there..

Same in Canada...and now with their latest update it’s pretty much we have no chance of getting a FE card until further notice  

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/402196/nvidia-store-update-geforce-rtx-3080-and-rtx-3090-/

[Adaa]

5 minutes ago, Biotfanime said:

Same in Canada...and now with their latest update it’s pretty much we have no chance of getting a FE card until further notice  

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/402196/nvidia-store-update-geforce-rtx-3080-and-rtx-3090-/

From your link:

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In Europe, we continue to review Founders Edition fulfillment options.

Welp, we all know what that means. No FE cards for Europe then.

 

I personally am still debating wheather or not to wait until 4k series, or jump on a comming 3070Ti or 20gb 3080 in stead, atm there is not really that manny games that pushes my GTX1080 at 1440p anyhow. Sadly i am locked into geforce cards cos of the monitors i use, but next gen AMD cards looks better and better if price + preformance is right and launch problems dosnt appear. 

[AlTech]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

because Radeon VII demand is also low? Also I've seen many wanting a Radeon VII just for collection purposes, which means they can wait.

No. Just supply being low. 
 

I was talking about at launch. There were more Radeon VIIs available at launch than there are 3080s at launch. 
 

There is no demand problem for any Nvidia card right now. The only problem is Nvidia unable to fulfil the normal amount of supply that is needed every generation.

 

Bots aren’t buying video cards in under 30 seconds and reselling them. There just aren’t cards to buy therefore you can’t buy one. 

[tim0901]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

I was talking about at launch. There were more Radeon VIIs available at launch than there are 3080s at launch. 

I heard at the time (and found a source backing it up) of the R7 launch that most countries in Europe got less than 50 cards each. And that’s not per e-tailer, or per board partner.
 

Radeon 7 supposedly had 5000 units worldwide at launch, so going by the stats shown in the article for that Danish retailer (they seem to have gotten around 350 3080s so far) I think it’s pretty safe to say that they’ve had far more 3000 series cards than they did Radeon 7s in the same time frame. If 350 3080s have gone to Denmark alone (a country with a smaller population than London) then I think it’s pretty clear that there were more than 5000 available worldwide. 

[Bombastinator]

I see scalpers as a symptom more than a cause.  If there was enough inventory scalpers would have been overwhelmed.  Someone knew how much inventory was going where before it was even sent.  I don’t see incompetence being differentiable from intent atm myself.

[Kisai]

11 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Have people not get used to this yet? Can't even recall when was the last major GPU launch without a significant supply issue.

Nvidia launch's since the 10 series, all tiers higher than x60.

AMD CPU launch since the Zen series, but mostly just the four highest tier parts

Intel CPU launch, though usually only the i7/i9's

Some AMD GPU launches when a new part comes out.

 

It's almost as if there was either a backlog of upgrades, or some underlying technology is putting a demand on these parts (eg cryptomining)

 

To that end , I don't really see a good solution for solving these by nVidia/AMD/Intel. Either mining has to become stupidly unprofitable, or energy cost has to skyrocket to make it unprofitable. Or finally crash because the cryptocoin ponzi scheme finally collapses.

 

AMD and Intel can't over-produce parts, because someone will have to take a loss on unsold parts (though it could be argued that the best way to prevent scalping would be to sell the GeForce and Quadro as the same board with switchable firmware, and first sell the parts as Quadro's at the higher markup and when that demand is met, sell the remainder as Geforce's with the Quadro firmware switched off.) Intel and AMD for their CPU's don't have that option to turn a i9 into an i7 or i5 in firmware, and perhaps they should.

 

Like as much as people balk at the idea of "DLC for CPU/GPU", it would at least solve some of the product segmentation issues that happen at launch. If you want the best part on day 1, then just buy that card, otherwise wait for the cheaper gaming model's that are binned over time. By the time the bottom tier part is released, a new high tier part should be available, and repeat.

 

 

[stewtrain]

at this point I just signed up for EVGA's queue and called it a day.  I hope to get an email around february 2021 to buy my card in time for far cry 6

[porina]

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

Nvidia launch's since the 10 series, all tiers higher than x60.

I don't recall the 20 launch shortages to last very long. They were there for sure.

 

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

AMD CPU launch since the Zen series, but mostly just the four highest tier parts

I've bought the low end CPUs (1600, 2600, 3600) at or within a few days of launch. Yes, there were shortages but supply eased soon after. I do recall the 3900 and later 3950 did take much longer to have any significant stock. Lower parts were fine.

 

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

Some AMD GPU launches when a new part comes out.

The only one I got near launch was Vega, but that was in the crypto boom so I'd consider than an unusual scenario. I happened to be on the right site at the right time and grabbed one. At the time, pretty much getting any mid to higher end GPU (AMD or nvidia) was difficult at any price.

 

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

It's almost as if there was either a backlog of upgrades, or some underlying technology is putting a demand on these parts (eg cryptomining)

I think one part of the "problem" is that for people wishing to remain at the upper end hardware scale, they get the most benefit from buying early in the cycle. This is made worse in that releases are often very far apart.

 

As a parallel to this, the UK car industry used to see most of their new sales at one time of year. Number plates here have a date component to them, so if you want your car to look "new", you bought one as soon as the number changed. The problem of course is that you'd get a rush for sales at one time, and this has a knock on effect in that future time based service is also related to that. The system was later changed so the date part changed twice a year, helping to spread the load across the year.

 

Right now, what's the gap between major GPU generations? 

 

Maxwell - sept 2014

Pascal - jul 2016

Turing - sept 2018

Turing "super" - jul 2019

Ampere - sept 2020

 

Polaris - jun 2016

Vega - aug 2017

Navi - jul 2019

Next Navi - oct 2020

 

So on nvidia's side, we're looking at 2 years between major generations, with a "Super" refresh to help a little. AMD do a little better there, we're getting 1 or 2 year gaps. I do think that the rush to upgrade with a new generation would be reduced if there were simply more refreshes, even if the increment between generations were smaller. 

 

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

Either mining has to become stupidly unprofitable, or energy cost has to skyrocket to make it unprofitable. Or finally crash because the cryptocoin ponzi scheme finally collapses.

I'm not sure mining is a major factor today. The gains are pretty slim compared to the bubble, and it takes niche circumstances to make it profitable. Also I wouldn't blame the tool for what it is used for.

[Kisai]

8 hours ago, porina said:

 

I'm not sure mining is a major factor today. The gains are pretty slim compared to the bubble, and it takes niche circumstances to make it profitable. Also I wouldn't blame the tool for what it is used for.

Ethereum, Monero and similar currencies are still being mined on GPU's. I don't know who is stupid enough to buy these, but they're still doing it.

 

[TigerHawk]

I have to wonder if the rumour from Videocardz is true, about the December release of the 20gb model. nvidia and board partners could be witholding dies to slap on those models for higher markup, and they probably predict those to be the biggest seller, so they just aren't making that many 10gb models right now.

Not the only reason for the shortage, to be sure, but could be a significant contributor.