A drop of convenience? no new AMD chipsets

[Fasauceome]

Sauce

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/10/06/report-amd-not-launching-new-chipsets-until-zen-3-processors-ryzen-6000/

 

Allegedly, AMD thinks X570, B550, and 520 are designed just right for Zen 3 and will be sufficient until Q1 2021.

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According to a report by HD Tecnología regarding Intel’s Rocket Lake-S motherboards, AMD’s Ryzen 5000 Series will not be accompanied by new chipsets when they launch later this year. This isn’t really surprising, being that red team has already confirmed Zen 3 support for many pre-existing platforms such as X570, B550, and A520. Even older chipsets (i.e., X470 and B450) will be able to run Ryzen 5000 processors with a “Selective Beta BIOS” update.

 

My worry is that consumers are gonna struggle to find appropriately updated boards. AMD's classic boot kit will be extremely helpful, but more companies will need to do what MSI did with the MAX series and put pre-updated boards on the shelves, clearly marked/differentiated.

 

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Rumors of the inevitable X670 chipset have already been swirling, but HD Tecnología claims that AMD is keeping that locked away until Zen 3+ is ready. This is a refined variant of the architecture that will presumably debut with the Ryzen 6000 Series.

Extremely subjective take: X670 is a bad name. "x six sev" just doesn't roll off the tongue too good.

[Mateyyy]

Makes sense. I really couldn't see a reason why they'd release a new chipset.

6 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

My worry is that consumers are gonna struggle to find appropriately updated boards. AMD's classic boot kit will be extremely helpful, but more companies will need to do what MSI did with the MAX series and put pre-updated boards on the shelves, clearly marked/differentiated.

Many B550 and X570 boards come with BIOS Flashback functionality, but to be fair most low-end ones don't, and neither do some mid-range ones, so that's definitely something to take note of.

6 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Extremely subjective take: X670 is a bad name. "x six sev" just doesn't roll off the tongue too good.

Maybe they follow Intel and call it X690. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Sauce

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/10/06/report-amd-not-launching-new-chipsets-until-zen-3-processors-ryzen-6000/

 

Allegedly, AMD thinks X570, B550, and 520 are designed just right for Zen 3 and will be sufficient until Q1 2021.

 

My worry is that consumers are gonna struggle to find appropriately updated boards. AMD's classic boot kit will be extremely helpful, but more companies will need to do what MSI did with the MAX series and put pre-updated boards on the shelves, clearly marked/differentiated.

 

Extremely subjective take: X670 is a bad name. "x six sev" just doesn't roll off the tongue too good.

Are you wanting them to produce a new board or just rename existing boards to show they're ready to go for Zen 3?

 

Who the hell says "x six five" or "x six sev"?  Cuz "x six sev" is going to get mangled to "x sex please, thanks!" in my head most likely.

[Stahlmann]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Are you wanting them to produce a new board or just rename existing boards to show they're ready to go for Zen 3?

This is just about renaming BIOS-updated boards, like the B450 Tomahawk "Max" for example to make it clear it's updated for the latest CPUs.

[Haro]

1 hour ago, Mateyyy said:

Many B550 and X570 boards come with BIOS Flashback functionality,

Some users are afraid of updating the bios, but yea. 

1 hour ago, Fasauceome said:

Allegedly, AMD thinks X570, B550, and 520 are designed just right for Zen 3 and will be sufficient until Q1 2021.

Wasn't really surprising, i mean i personally don't see a point in a new chipset, as x570 and b550 (and b450/x470 as well) are good enough for zen 3 imo. 

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Are you wanting them to produce a new board or just rename existing boards to show they're ready to go for Zen 3?

Well they could just mark boards with a different branding if they have an updated BIOS. Technically the max series was designed with a big BIOS chip in mind but AIBs could take some pretty simple steps in the product name to make it clear. At least, clearer than that orange badge on the box that you can only see when you have the product physically in front of you. There does have to be some form of guaranteed support that's clear to purchase for day 1, though.

[ravenshrike]

11 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Sauce

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/10/06/report-amd-not-launching-new-chipsets-until-zen-3-processors-ryzen-6000/

 

Allegedly, AMD thinks X570, B550, and 520 are designed just right for Zen 3 and will be sufficient until Q1 2021.

 

My worry is that consumers are gonna struggle to find appropriately updated boards. AMD's classic boot kit will be extremely helpful, but more companies will need to do what MSI did with the MAX series and put pre-updated boards on the shelves, clearly marked/differentiated.

 

Extremely subjective take: X670 is a bad name. "x six sev" just doesn't roll off the tongue too good.

Clearly the motherboard series should be x675309.

[svmlegacy]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

At least, clearer than that orange badge on the box that you can only see when you have the product physically in front of you.

The real issue with this is the ever popular e-Retailers. If AMD isn't coming out with a new chipset to guarantee support, I don't see why companies don't do similar things as MSI's MAX series. Heck, all it needs is a "Rev.2" slapped in the title, and the problem is solved.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, svmlegacy said:

Heck, all it needs is a "Rev.2" slapped in the title, and the problem is solved.

Except for gigabyte, with all their different "revisions" of low end boards. They'll need to get a bit more creative.

[Nayr438]

5 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Are you wanting them to produce a new board or just rename existing boards to show they're ready to go for Zen 3?

 

Who the hell says "x six five" or "x six sev"?  Cuz "x six sev" is going to get mangled to "x sex please, thanks!" in my head most likely.

Probably do something similiar to what ASUS and MSI already did in the past. Just slap a sticker on the box and put a badge on the web page.

Then we just have to worry about them getting them out to shelves.

 

For reference.

"AMD RYZEN 3000 DESKTOP READY" web badge

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X470-PRO/

 

Box Badge

 

 

 

[nick name]

So did they make new silicon for the chipset?  They don't have fans on these new boards.  

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Nayr438 said:

Probably do something similiar to what ASUS and MSI already did in the past. Just slap a sticker on the box and put a badge on the web page.

Then we just have to worry about them getting them out to shelves.

 

For reference.

"AMD RYZEN 3000 DESKTOP READY" web badge

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X470-PRO/

 

Box Badge

The problem with that badge is that it's on the store page for all versions of the motherboard, not just the updated ones. Landing page on the site too. 

 

If you buy a board that has this badge online, you may get a board that lacks this badge. Like I mentioned earlier, the only way you can be sure that you have an updated board is to see the product physically in a store.

1 minute ago, nick name said:

So did they make new silicon for the chipset?  They don't have fans on these new boards.  

Have you seen a pic of an X570 board with no fan? Sure it wasn't a B550?

 

The source I linked didn't have a pic of a board

[nick name]

4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

The problem with that badge is that it's on the store page for all versions of the motherboard, not just the updated ones. Landing page on the site too. 

 

If you buy a board that has this badge online, you may get a board that lacks this badge. Like I mentioned earlier, the only way you can be sure that you have an updated board is to see the product physically in a store.

Have you seen a pic of an X570 board with no fan? Sure it wasn't a B550?

 

The source I linked didn't have a pic of a board

The new ASUS CH8 Dark and new MSI X570 board don't have fans.

 

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Scratch the MSI boards.  Those were B550.  

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, nick name said:

The new ASUS CH8 Dark and new MSI X570 board don't have fans.

 

the asus one does look like it has a pretty massive heat sink, might just be cooling really well without a fan. but I wouldn't mind a 5nm version of the chipset tbh

[Blademaster91]

21 minutes ago, nick name said:

The new ASUS CH8 Dark and new MSI X570 board don't have fans.

No chipset fan is nice, the CH8 Dark looks to be a high end board though, Gigabyte has had a high end X570 board with no fan for a while now.

It seems weird to me companies would rather use a fan than a few cents more on aluminum.

[Doobeedoo]

I guess good for less potential fragmentation if not needed really. 

[ShinRamen]

Didn‘t ASUS also announce a B550 (X or XE?) board without fan? On mobile right now so I can‘t (read: don‘t want to) look it up

[ShinRamen]

43 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

 

Allegedly, AMD thinks X570, B550, and 520 are designed just right for Zen 3 and will be sufficient until Q1 2021

Why Q1 2021? Are we expecting Ryzen 6000 that soon? Am I missing something?

[NumLock21]

The author of that article is trying really hard to give a negative impression, as if amd not launching a new chipset with their zen 3 is a bad thing, like zen 3, won’t be tapped to its full potential. 
b550 was just released not long ago and it’s good that amd is supporting their new zen3 on their current chipsets. 

[Fasauceome]

10 minutes ago, ShinRamen said:

Why Q1 2021? Are we expecting Ryzen 6000 that soon? Am I missing something?

we might get roadmap stuff but I doubt a new CPU will be available

 

[Fatih19]

Hell to the fucking yes. I could upgrade from my B350 to an X570 with a plethora of options.

[porina]

Mixed feelings if true. I'd agree that if a new chipset doesn't offer anything new, there is little point in having it. However the CPU compatibility from out of date bios is going to be a pain point. I'm kinda fortunate in that I have a Zen 2 system I could steal the CPU from if I go this route and end up with an old mobo bios, but it is still a pain to do. It is so much cleaner to have a new chipset for the new CPU series that you know will work out of the box no fuss. I guess the next best thing that might happen is if mobo manufacturers refresh their mobo line with "designed for Zen 3" models, as opposed to slapping a sticker on the box of an old one.

[CTR640]

2 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

Extremely subjective take: X670 is a bad name. "x six sev" just doesn't roll off the tongue too good.

Sounds like porn lol

[dizmo]

Honestly I'd find it a little odd if they did put in the work on a new chipset. I mean, they're doing well, but they're still not the strongest company. Their resources are better spent elsewhere (*cough*gpudrivers*cough*). Also..

 

3 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

Sauce

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/10/06/report-amd-not-launching-new-chipsets-until-zen-3-processors-ryzen-6000/

 

Allegedly, AMD thinks X570, B550, and 520 are designed just right for Zen 3 and will be sufficient until Q1 2021.

 

My worry is that consumers are gonna struggle to find appropriately updated boards. AMD's classic boot kit will be extremely helpful, but more companies will need to do what MSI did with the MAX series and put pre-updated boards on the shelves, clearly marked/differentiated.

 

Extremely subjective take: X670 is a bad name. "x six sev" just doesn't roll off the tongue too good well.

ftfy

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

ftfy

Don't remove my isms